Chiyo vs Zabuza

[ShaneEyyy]

Location: Area where Kakashi and Zabuza first fought

Knowledge: Zabuza knows Chiyo is a master puppeteer and medical ninja and Chiyo knows Zabuza's prowess in Silent Killing.

I say Zabuza takes this mid-high diff. Chiyo has absolutely no way in countering Zabuza's mist.

Many people say Chiyo could win by using that tornado jutsu to suck in the mist, however, if you read the techniques description here

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you will find out that after the puppets suck in their target, they are shot out from the back so if she used this technique, it would suck in the mist then shoot it back out, which will only waste her chakra.

Chiyo is basically screwed here, she is not avoiding Zabuza's Silent Killing+Water Clone feints.

Thoughts?

 

[Grammar Nazi]

As much as I love Zabuza and think he is the only REAL ninja in the entire Naruto manga, chiyo takes this one. Simply because Zabuza is a mid-high level jonin whereas Chiyo is a kage level ninja despite her old age.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Chiyo is low kage at best, possibly mid kage in prime as she fought with hanzo countless times and the two stalemated. Zabuza is mid-high jounin. She takes this.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

As much as I love Zabuza and think he is the only REAL ninja in the entire Naruto manga, chiyo takes this one. Simply because Zabuza is a mid-high level jonin whereas Chiyo is a kage level ninja despite her old age.

Zabuza is a high jounin-low S-rank ninja. Chiyo is a low S-rank ninja, she isn't that above Zabuza.

Also, you should already know that rank doesn't matter when debating, only skill does. Chiyo has no counters to Zabuza mist.

Give me an actual good argument

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Chiyo is low kage at best, possibly mid kage in prime as she fought with hanzo countless times and the two stalemated. Zabuza is mid-high jounin. She takes this.

Man why are there so many idiots on this site? Dude who gives af about rank. U don't debate by rank you debate by their skill. How do u not understand that? Let me guess, u are in support classes at school?

 

[TheEvilOne]

I believe Chiyo's battle experience and intelligence would bring her the victory.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

S-Rank isn't a category.. S-Rank is basically high jounin or low kage. And zabuza is not low kage. Low kages can shitstomp an extremely nerfed by intelligence kakashi with a 3 mid - genin opponents. If chiyo was in that situation, she would beat them all LOW diff. Also, mist isn't the answer to everything. Her puppets can protect her from all ranges, puppet masters of her caliber react to movement, once she is about to be attacked by the mist she can react with her puppets. One multitude of attacks from her puppet is enough to nerf zabuza (he was shut down by one blitz from kakashi's ninken)

 

[ShaneEyyy]

I believe Chiyo's battle experience and intelligence would bring her the victory.

Weak argument, but I respect your opinion

S-Rank isn't a category.. S-Rank is basically high jounin or low kage. And zabuza is not low kage. Low kages can shitstomp an extremely nerfed by intelligence kakashi with a 3 mid - genin opponents. If chiyo was in that situation, she would beat them all LOW diff. Also, mist isn't the answer to everything. Her puppets can protect her from all ranges, puppet masters of her caliber react to movement, once she is about to be attacked by the mist she can react with her puppets. One multitude of attacks from her puppet is enough to nerf zabuza (he was shut down by one blitz from kakashi's ninken)

Doesn't matter if her puppets can surround and protect her from all ranges. You're basically referring to a Manji defense formation. Zabuza has shown to easily get through a defense that protects from all ranges. If being protected from all ranges is what it took, Kakashi would have just used Shadow Clones to block all ranges.

Kakashi's ninken was a absolute perfect counter to mist. Puppets will barely do anything.

She won't be able to react with her puppets. Kakashi was barely able to react and he had Sharingan that increases his reflexes and helps predict his opponents attacks greatly. Kakashi even noted Silent Killing is so fast, you pass through this life time without even knowing what happened.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Weak argument, but I respect your opinion

Well I don't feel like posting a wall text when the majority of the Narutobase knows that Chiyo defeats Zabuza. Thx that you respect my opinion tho.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Well I don't feel like posting a wall text when the majority of the Narutobase knows that Chiyo defeats Zabuza. Thx that you respect my opinion tho.

How does Chiyo win? She doesn't have 1 move that counters mist and without countering mist, she will not be able to avoid Silent Killing and Water Clone feints. I don't understand this haha. Nobody has given a good argument yet

 

[TheEvilOne]

How does Chiyo win? She doesn't have 1 move that counters mist and without countering mist, she will not be able to avoid Silent Killing and Water Clone feints. I don't understand this haha. Nobody has given a good argument yet

But Zabuza has no chance of attacking Chiyo when 10 jounin level puppets guards her.
This is basically 10 jounin and a low Kage vs Zabuza. The mist won't be a significant factor in this battle.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

But Zabuza has no chance of attacking Chiyo when 10 jounin level puppets guards her.
This is basically 10 jounin and a low Kage vs Zabuza. The mist won't be a significant factor in this battle.

You can't call a puppet a jounin...

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Zabuza could probably take out a good number of those puppets with this huge technique right here. But that isn't necessary because he just needs his mist.

The mist is a huge factor in this fight and without it he loses imo

There's no difference for a puppet to be standing still guarding an area someone like Part 1 Sasuke. Fact is, they both aren't moving and don't know where Zabuza is, and Zabuza was shown to get by defenses like that with no diff.

 

[Fodder#4]

Two threads with the exact same... Subject? The reject Mist swordsmen takes this simply due to the Hidden Mist and his prowess as a silent killer/borderline sage like sensing in the mist.

Take that away and Chiyo wins low diff

 

[EZQ]

Two threads with the exact same... Subject? The reject Mist swordsmen takes this simply due to the Hidden Mist and his prowess as a silent killer/borderline sage like sensing in the mist.

Take that away and Chiyo wins low diff

Of course Zabuza looses, without the mist he is a low jonin level.

The ones going with Chiyo are not giving rational arguments... anyways i'm not gonna bother

Chiyo doesn't have sensing skills and if she can't see Zabuza her puppets become fodder in the first minute...

Also, Zabuza's speed is a lot greater, he outspeeded and blitzed KAKASHI in part1 , he also outsmarted him with a clone feint... Zabuza rapes here

 

[EZQ]

Well I don't feel like posting a wall text when the majority of the Narutobase knows that Chiyo defeats Zabuza. Thx that you respect my opinion tho.

You don't need a wall of text to provide a good counter ... You just need a manga scan, wich Chiyo doesn't have here.

Bold: No, there has been like 10 polls about this and Zabuza wins the majority

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Of course Zabuza looses, without the mist he is a low jonin level.

The ones going with Chiyo are not giving rational arguments... anyways i'm not gonna bother

Chiyo doesn't have sensing skills and if she can't see Zabuza her puppets become fodder in the first minute...

Also, Zabuza's speed is a lot greater, he outspeeded and blitzed KAKASHI in part1 , he also outsmarted him with a clone feint... Zabuza rapes here

Without the mist he is mid jounin level. He still has great Suiton, Kenjutsu, speed, strength, and chakra. Plus he would still have his Silent Killing, though because of not having the mist, he would only be able to use SK when assassinating.

I agree with everything else tho. U definitely deserve all that rep u have

 

[Masked man]

Chiyo wins.. And with bandaged eyes maybe with some difficulty.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Chiyo wins.. And with bandaged eyes maybe with some difficulty.

Nah man, Zabuza wins

 

[Masked man]

Nah man, Zabuza wins

Look at the pool.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Look at the pool.

All I see is water....