Should a soon-to-be father get to say no if a woman wants an abortion?

[Cornson]

This is something I was debating with someone over the Internet recently, because I have nothing better to do with my time. In the event that two people have a one night stand and the woman gets pregnant but just decides to abort it, should the man be able to say "No, I'll take the baby myself, you can't abort it." ?

We have gotten to a point where its posible to remove a fertalized egg from a woman and put it in a other women, and then having that women do the pregnancy instead (sure its experimental and hella expensive) but that besides the point.

what im going at with this, is well, this solves the problem dosent it? if the women don't want the baby, but the man do, he could have it, on his own (well with the help of a other women)

but the question the becomes, would the women in that senario be forced to pay child suport for the baby she did not want?

 

[Olorin]

Because it's also his kid, and it's not the fathers fault alone, it's also the mothers.

How would you like it if you were a man and you were denied to see your kid live?

I would imagine you wouldn't like it.

Yeah sure it's gonna suck for the woman, but it's the right thing to do.

how would I feel if a woman told me she was gonna abort an embryo or fetus that is not yet near to being born? honestly I'd be surprised she was pregnant and all that comes with it but basically I wouldn't give a f?ck, many abortions happen around the world and I don't care about it, if it were my girlfriend that would be different

yes the woman knew what to expect but she also knew she could abort it

to force a woman to go through pregnancy is cruel and inhumane, not only because of the consequences that the pregnancy brings but also because you would actively strip the woman of her rights of free will, the right to free movement, right to bodily integrity, she would be limited on a LOT of her rights WITHOUT her consent

you would basically strip the woman of her physical integrity and force her to suffer for 9 months for something she doesn't want just for your gain ... that in my opinion is criminal

@post above: if you relinquish all your rights to a child you don't have to pay child support

 

[Strawberry]

i dont know what to say.

 

[Trollasaur]

how would I feel if a woman told me she was gonna abort an embryo or fetus that is not yet near to being born? honestly I'd be surprised she was pregnant and all that comes with it but basically I wouldn't give a f?ck, many abortions happen around the world and I don't care about it, if it were my girlfriend that would be different

yes the woman knew what to expect but she also knew she could abort it

to force a woman to go through pregnancy is cruel and inhumane, not only because of the consequences that the pregnancy brings but also because you would actively strip the woman of her rights of free will, the right to free movement, right to bodily integrity, she would be limited on a LOT of her rights WITHOUT her consent

you would basically strip the woman of her physical integrity and force her to suffer for 9 months for something she doesn't want just for your gain ... that in my opinion is criminal

And to force a father, to go through the pain of not seeing his child being born when he wants to see him, is even more inhumane and cruel.

Should of been more careful, of course I don't believe the man get's 100% on this, it should be 50/50 and mutal.

lmao if you wanted to have a suprise child, and if your lover wanted to abort, you wouldn't care? Sounds legit.

 

[Olorin]

And to force a father, to go through the pain of not seeing his child being born when he wants to see him, is even more inhumane and cruel.

Should of been more careful, of course I don't believe the man get's 100% on this, it should be 50/50 and mutal.

lmao if you wanted to have a suprise child, and if your lover wanted to abort, you wouldn't care? Sounds legit.

the man didn't even know she was pregnant a few days before lol, if he wants to see his child he can always go find another woman and f?ck her, looks like he has no prob with things like that

sticking to the mutual? I'm glad you don't write laws

it dint say lover, i said one night stand, If it was my GF I would ofc care but the decision would still be hers and NOT mine

are you a sexist? cuz it seems women's rights are an alien subject to you, but judging from your sig I shouldn't be suprised, btw how is being manly as shit or the manliest man a good thing?

seems our ways of thinking are on complete opposites of the liberal/conservative spectrum

 

[Trollasaur]

the man didn't even know she was pregnant a few days before lol, if he wants to see his child he can always go find another woman and f?ck her, looks like he has no prob with things like that

sticking to the mutual? I'm glad you don't write laws

it dint say lover, i said one night stand, If it was my GF I would ofc care but the decision would still be hers and NOT mine

are you a sexist? cuz it seems women's rights are an alien subject to you, but judging from your sig I shouldn't be suprised, btw how is being manly as shit or the manliest man a good thing?

seems our ways of thinking are on complete opposites of the liberal/conservative spectrum

No I'm not sexist, I'm just not a femenist.

I don't see how you don't see anything wrong about denying a fathers right's to his child, and I never said that the women has no say in this, stop trying to make me look bad, I never said that the woman is forced to give birth GG maine.

 

[Olorin]

I don't see how you don't see anything wrong about denying a fathers right's to his child, and I never said that the women has no say in this, stop trying to make me look bad, I never said that the woman is forced to give birth GG maine.

but it's not his child yet its still an embryo/fetus

and that makes no sense it's either:
1. Father gets no say in it so the woman aborts
2. The father gets to say he wants the baby and the mother is forced to give births

there is no middle here, if a man has no say than he can talk all he wants but the woman is just gonna abort anyway

 

[Trollasaur]

but it's not his child yet its still an embryo/fetus

and that makes no sense it's either:
1. Father gets no say in it so the woman aborts
2. The father gets to say he wants the baby and the mother is forced to give births

there is no middle here, if a man has no say than he can talk all he wants but the woman is just gonna abort anyway

They come to a mutual agreement simple. Get other people involved ect, keep ignoring a mans right to his child lol.

 

[Olorin]

They come to a mutual agreement simple. Get other people involved ect, keep ignoring a mans right to his child lol.

but thats not how it would happen, if a man got a legal right to decide weather the baby can be aborted or not if he says he wants the baby the mother would have no right to decide

but if youre talking that they should talk it out on a personal, I'm pretty sure theyre gonna talk about it but that doesn't mean that the father gets a say in the final decision

 

[Trollasaur]

but thats not how it would happen, if a man got a legal right to decide weather the baby can be aborted or not if he says he wants the baby the mother would have no right to decide

but if youre talking that they should talk it out on a personal, I'm pretty sure theyre gonna talk about it but that doesn't mean that the father gets a say in the final decision

Never said the man got a final descion.

 

[Olorin]

Never said the man got a final descion.

than word your posts more clearly, you said have a say in it which clearly implies he should get a say in the decision and in this case the decision was yes or no, so if the father gets a say on the decision like you said and if he says yes than that would mean that the woman can't decide on no

an example: I get to talk about a bill as much as I want I can even go to Westminster and talk to a MP about it, but I don't have any say in the final decision

 

[Trollasaur]

than word your posts more clearly, you said have a say in it which clearly implies he should get a say in the decision and in this case the decision was yes or no, so if the father gets a say on the decision like you said and if he says yes than that would mean that the woman can't decide on no

an example: I get to talk about a bill as much as I want I can even go to Westminster and talk to a MP about it, but I don't have any say in the final decision

You were saying that men get no say, I said that they get a say and so do women, mkay doode3? Back off with the hostile femenisim.

 

[Olorin]

th question was:

In the event that two people have a one night stand and the woman gets pregnant but just decides to abort it, should the man be able to say "No, I'll take the baby myself, you can't abort it." ?

you replied

Yes. To deny a father of his own son is insane and cruel, if the mother doesn't want it she should give it up to to the father if he wants it, to do otherwise is some what ****ed up.

if you apply logic than you see that you indeed said that you think the father can decide to keep the baby

 

[Trollasaur]

th question was:



you replied



if you apply logic than you see that you indeed said that you think the father can decide to keep the baby

Oh well, shit happens, one or the other should not have the final descion, thats sick and ****ed up, they should each get a say. GG

 

[Olorin]

Shit happens

-.-' .........

 

[Trollasaur]

-.-' .........

What do I need to talk in a polliticaly correct manor?

 

[Flaw]

What do I need to talk in a polliticaly correct manor?

manner *
politically *

 

[Trollasaur]

manner *
politically *

I see the red lines under my words man.

 

[Tosen]

He should have a say in it, **** that feminist endorsed bullshit.

 

[Olorin]

What do I need to talk in a polliticaly correct manor?

No, but you do have to speak normal english, or ... You know ... Understand what you actually write