Why do people think Hiruzen has anything worthwhile in store for us?

[NewKageism]

You saying Hirzen is basically has nothing but the same feats? Listen to that logic how many times did we see Tsunade get taken advatage of before she finally released her seal. 1 when fighting Kabuto she did not release it. 2. When fighting pain healing villagers she did not use it. You think him controling a village with strong people in it all the Uchiha, danzo, other strong kages around he only fought with basic like he did with Oro?

Get real to even hang with some of those old kages he had to be pretty powerful. You say in Edo they are limited but not limited by charka and stamina as you believe. Lets not forget he hang pretty good at his age fighting against Oro with arms.

He dodge and fought to the end. While comparison someone similar to his age Danzo got hit plenty of times which could have been death.
He wasted no movements and make sure his wounds were limited.

No edo he does not have to worry about breathing and stamina. What do you think will happen

 

[startup97]

The feats that prove that by his own words he's under Part 1 Orochimaru? Oh wait, he has unlimited stamina now, but even then Edos are only allowed the chakra amount they had whilst alive (take for example when Muu split or when the Nidaime Mizukage used Jokey Boy).

He was under part 1 Orochimaru because of his old age.

 

[General Lex]

So your judging him based on one fight? Your basically saying because of that one fight he is somehow weak? Then you make it sound as though Orochimaru himself is weak and even leave out that orochimaru admitted himself that it was ten years ago he would have lost. Correct me if im not reading your post right.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Pretty sure it was established that Prime Hiruzen is above Orochimaru's level considering he was able to fight on par with Oro in Part 1 and it was stated that he is miserable compared to his prime, his chakra was much more vast than it is now.

Hashirama's cells give him more stamina and fodder level Mokuton. Can he even summon Manda II? Even so, its not like he could summon as he lacks blood due to his new body.

In a drawn-out fight, Hiruzen would lose miserably to Orochimaru due to his lack of chakra reserves. All they did was engage in a kenjutsu battle. If Orochimaru actually used ninjutsu, Hiruzen wouldn't be able to stay on the defensive for long; his quickly diminishing reserves would have been his doom.

Hashirama's cells make everything more powerful, you know that well, from the restraining properties of Edo Tensei to shortening the time limit on kotoamatsukami drastically.

So your judging him based on one fight? Your basically saying because of that one fight he is somehow weak? Then you make it sound as though Orochimaru himself is weak and even leave out that orochimaru admitted himself that it was ten years ago he would have lost. Correct me if im not reading your post right.

I'm judging based off of his own statements that put him under Part 1 Orochimaru. The databook implies that had Hiruzen been 10 years younger he would have been able to successfully RDS Orochimaru rather than having to settle for his arms. Even then, Hiruzen would still need to resort to RDS which is a move used in desperation.

He was under part 1 Orochimaru because of his old age.

He's still old.

 

[Vegeto30294]

Just like everyone else, until he's shown something at least useful or interesting other than spawning multiple shuriken, then he will get the respect he deserves.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Just like everyone else, until he's shown something at least useful or interesting other than spawning multiple shuriken, then he will get the respect he deserves.

He's already told us how powerful he is: weaker than Part 1 Orochimaru.