[Discussion] My 2 cents on mukuton: final judgement

[osba]

My bet would be that, because the gedo mazo (body) is made up out of mukuton, the mukuton changes the chakra into natural energy in a photosynthese kind of way.
The reason the gedo needs time to get to it's final form is because it needs time to form everything to nature energy (before the tailed beasts would have normal chakra)
This explains why Yamato should have mostly yin chakra, so he can control where the mukuton grows or when it grows by affecting the nature energy.
So mukuton is something that can be planted in the cells, the water and earth are for nutricion.
this explains why it takes over a body when it can't controll it anymore. Take Danzo and the hundreds of experimented on babies for an example...
So how did hashirama get to aquire this mukuton "jutsu"?
I think by parasite.. just like that tree man dude IRL..
the "kakashi said" arguement:
now you guys might state that kakashi said that mukuton is just water and earth combined, but that would not explain it taking over bodies nor it changing normal chakra into nature energy.

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also shows kakashi whispering something to yamato.. you might say that it is just to keep making a waterfall a secret untill it happens, but would that really be worth a manga slide / is kakashi realy that type of a guy? imo not ^.^.
This also explains why Hashirama's sage mode wasn't passed down to the next generation or even his brother
the sage mode he uses is not actually a sage mode the way frog and snake(Dragon) sage modes are, he is just taking the chakra from his yin seal (he has the same kind of "lines" all over him as tsunade does when using the yin seal) and letting the mukuton feed on it resulting in the amazing feats we have seen him do like that HUUUGE 1000 hands statue!
..and maybe he (or his mukuton) does actually gather nature energy from it's enviroment too ^.^

 

[Mr Hiru]

My bet would be that, because the gedo mazo (body) is made up out of mukuton, the mukuton changes the chakra into natural energy in a photosynthese kind of way.
This explains why Yamato, having mostly yin chakra, can control where the mukuton grows to by affecting the nature energy.
the reason the gedo needs time to get to it's final form is because it needs time to form everything to nature energy.
so mukuton is something that can be planted in the cells, the water and earth are for nutricion.
this explains why it takes over a body when it can't controll it anymore. take danzo and the hundreds of experimented on babies for an example...
how hashirama got to aquire this "mukuton" jutsu?
i think by parasite.. just like that tree man dude IRL..

I thought Yamato was Yang influenced, as Hashirama and the Younger Son branch ._.

 

[osba]

I thought Yamato was Yang influenced, as Hashirama and the Younger Son branch ._.

let me check.. not that it makes a huge diffrence but just a moment

 

[Mr Hiru]

let me check.. not that it makes a huge diffrence but just a moment

I know it doesn't make the difference, but for the sake of clarity I had to put the point.

Ah yeah. I quite agree on your theory, at least it makes sense for me.

 

[osba]

I know it doesn't make the difference, but for the sake of clarity I had to put the point.

Ah yeah. I quite agree on your theory, at least it makes sense for me.

yup your right it hasn't been stated in the manga ^.^
although it should be his yin chakra affecting it's growth and stuff ^.^

 

[Mr Hiru]

yup your right it hasn't been stated in the manga ^.^
although it should be his yin chakra affecting it's growth and stuff ^.^

Yang, since Naruto holds the Yang part of Kurama and has the same power.

 

[Naijakid]

Mokuton solos all

 

[osba]

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..sorry bad word choice x)
no he does not naruto's yang energy feeds it, Yamato's yin energy manipulates it
(he lacks the yang to actually make it come to life like Hashirama (and naruto's chakra) does)

 

[Mr Hiru]

..sorry bad word choice x)
no he does not naruto's yang energy feeds it, Yamato's yin energy manipulates it
(he lacks the yang to actually make it come to life like Hashirama (and naruto's chakra) does)

Where is it stated that Yin energy manipulates how "Life" is given?

Life is related to Yang, that's the body, the physical energy.

See the "Creation of All Things" to have a better understanding on this fact.

What Yin does is to create things from imagination, it doesn't have anything to do with manipulation.

 

[Ovan]

Sounds decent to me..

 

[osba]

Sounds decent to me..

thanks

Where is it stated that Yin energy manipulates how "Life" is given?

Life is related to Yang, that's the body, the physical energy.

See the "Creation of All Things" to have a better understanding on this fact.

What Yin does is to create things from imagination, it doesn't have anything to do with manipulation.

you know.. i have this hunch that i am right but i'm not sure why.. i have this alot and when i have thought about it for a day or something all of a sudden it pops up..

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

Nice theory bro , I agree. Mokuton has to be something more than just a blood limit...

 

[Mr Hiru]

you know.. i have this hunch that i am right but i'm not sure why.. i have this alot and when i have thought about it for a day or something all of a sudden it pops up..

Hmm... well, if that's the case, then I'll just put this here.

Naruto 462 - p12

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Naruto 510 - p11

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There you can appreciate which son of the Sage is related to Mind (Yin, spiritual energy) and which one is related to Body (Yang, physical energy) abilities.

The energy that gives life to awake the mokuton element is the Physical Energy (abundant in the sage's younger son branch, ancestor of the Senju Clan, manifested in Hashirama, and with less power in Yamato since he is an uncompleted experiment). Yamato can't create trees with the strength of Hashirama since Hashirama has too much Yang Energy, and Yang Kurama (Naruto's KCM) awakes the trees in Yamato's Mokuton.

Want a proof of my statement?

Yin = Darkness (you must do some research in Taoism to know this)

Naruto 370, p11-p12

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Minato has the Dark (Yin) part of Kurama, Naruto has the Light (Yang) half of Kurama.

Naruto 505 - p8

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There is the Lifeforce on Naruto's KCM.

I guess I don't need further proof... Mokuton is a Kekkei Genkai, and when more Yang Energy is applied to Mokuton Jutsus, more life is given to these, for example, "Trees".

 

[Draxus]

Mukaton doesn't take over people's bodies. It's hashi's cells

I think Hashirama's body naturally takes in natural energy and when it isn't balanced properly turns trees just like naruto's senjutsu turns people to stone.

It can't be a parasite or it wouldn't be transferable through dna.

 

[osba]

Mukaton doesn't take over people's bodies. It's hashi's cells

I think Hashirama's body naturally takes in natural energy and when it isn't balanced properly turns trees just like naruto's senjutsu turns people to stone.

It can't be a parasite or it wouldn't be transferable through dna.

it isn't.. its transferred by cells

 

[Draxus]

it isn't.. its transferred by cells

sorry, but that's just too far-fetched. If it was the parasite, then why breed hashi-cells. Why not just breed the parasite? Instead of coming up w/ some crazy deus-ex-machina, how about working within the known info from the manga?

 

[boshans]

My bet would be that, because the gedo mazo (body) is made up out of mukuton, the mukuton changes the chakra into natural energy in a photosynthese kind of way.
The reason the gedo needs time to get to it's final form is because it needs time to form everything to nature energy (before the tailed beasts would have normal chakra)
This explains why Yamato should have mostly yin chakra, so he can control where the mukuton grows or when it grows by affecting the nature energy.
So mukuton is something that can be planted in the cells, the water and earth are for nutricion.
this explains why it takes over a body when it can't controll it anymore. Take Danzo and the hundreds of experimented on babies for an example...
So how did hashirama get to aquire this mukuton "jutsu"?
I think by parasite.. just like that tree man dude IRL..
the "kakashi said" arguement:
now you guys might state that kakashi said that mukuton is just water and earth combined, but that would not explain it taking over bodies nor it changing normal chakra into nature energy.

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also shows kakashi whispering something to yamato.. you might say that it is just to keep making a waterfall a secret untill it happens, but would that really be worth a manga slide / is kakashi realy that type of a guy? imo not ^.^.
This also explains why Hashirama's sage mode wasn't passed down to the next generation or even his brother
the sage mode he uses is not actually a sage mode the way frog and snake(Dragon) sage modes are, he is just taking the chakra from his yin seal (he has the same kind of "lines" all over him as tsunade does when using the yin seal) and letting the mukuton feed on it resulting in the amazing feats we have seen him do like that HUUUGE 1000 hands statue!
..and maybe he (or his mukuton) does actually gather nature energy from it's enviroment too ^.^

i dont know where you see lines all over his body like tsunade. he has lines on his face, only his face, and its sage mode markings, not byakugou markings. plus he doesnt have a dot on bis forehead. he is just using sage mode. he does not have a yin seal. and mokuton is not taking over peoples bodies, hashiramas dna is taking them over. his dna lets them use mokuton, it lets them have the KG to combine water and earth, and since his dna is so powerful, of you lose control of it, it creates mokuton because its basically automatically combining water and earth, thsts why danzo sprouted that tree basically. mokuton isnt a damn living being, its just hashis dna itself.

 

[osba]

plus he doesnt have a dot on bis forehead.

did you even think before you made that assumption?

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he does not have a yin seal.

oh so your saying that mito had one, but didn't teach her husband, with incredible chakra control, (sage mode) the yin seal?

and mokuton is not taking over peoples bodies, hashiramas dna is taking them over.

thats like saying if you take naruto's cells and transplant them into you they will turn you into a big giant rasengan..

 

[Regulus]

did you even think before you made that assumption?

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oh so your saying that mito had one, but didn't teach her husband, with incredible chakra control, (sage mode) the yin seal? thats like saying if you take naruto's cells and transplant them into you they will turn you into a big giant rasengan.. THINK FOR F SAKE!
please stop posting on my threads.

First of all Hashirama would not even need a yin seal. He already has Sage Mode. The Yin Seal is for people with great chakra control but no powers like Sage Mode or Susano'o. It's a technique to make someone more powerful, however giving it to Hashirama is like giving a Marine a pea shooter when he has a rifle.

Secondly it is Hashirama's DNA taking over. It expresses itself as wood because that was his gekkei genkai, ergo it was in his blood, his DNA. Rasengan is not a gekkei genkai therefore it is not in someones DNA. You should quit posting in your own thread.

 

[osba]

First of all Hashirama would not even need a yin seal. He already has Sage Mode. The Yin Seal is for people with great chakra control but no powers like Sage Mode or Susano'o. It's a technique to make someone more powerful, however giving it to Hashirama is like giving a Marine a pea shooter when he has a rifle.

how do you know how much chakra a yin seal can have?
where does his mitotic regeneration come from?

Secondly it is Hashirama's DNA taking over. It expresses itself as wood because that was his gekkei genkai, ergo it was in his blood, his DNA. Rasengan is not a gekkei genkai therefore it is not in someones DNA.

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