Hiruzen will be top 10 by the end! Mark my words!

[Fodder#4]

He'll be top ten... I have the faith... No way is Kishi trolling a Hokage this badly.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Weakest? I think not. You my friend need to read into it more.
1. He ran a village with a bunch of Uchiha where the second and Danzo felt like they were a threat. He did not care like the first.

2. He was getting ready to fight a tail beast if it was his turn.

3. He got re certified as kage again.

4. He lived longer than most kages at his time.

Read into what more? Tell me then, how would he have dealt with the other Kage had he been faced up against them when by his own words he's under Part 1 Orochimaru?
1. Hiruzen failed to live up to the Nidaime, per his own words.
2. Any of the Hokage would have done that. Take for example Tobirama and Minato taking on Obito right now as well as Hashirama taking on Madara, much bigger threats.
3. Jiraiya didn't want the position. Orochimaru defected. Tsunade was a mess.
4. So because he lived longer than Hashirama, he's stronger than him?

Well how would you know. It's more likely that he is going give Hiruzen something than not. What makes you think that hype is invalid. Did kishi say anything? I don't think so! Hiruzen is strong! I don't think the 1st and 2nd trained him for nothing. I mean they believed in his strength enough to protect the future shinobi. The manga is not over and neither is Hiruzen. Watch him come back with feats that will make people ride him! It's what happened to Tobirama!

How would you know enough to tell us as if it already has happened? And how likely will that something make him Top 10? How is that hype not invalid? You think that a bit more speed, strength, and stamina will bring him from under Part 1 Orochimaru to above Sage Mode Hashirama? Don't cling to false hope. None of the Hokage are weak.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

So you're basing all of this on speculation?...

Tobirama not being weaker than a shadow clone of OLD Hiruzen was also speculation 10 months ago

 

[startup97]

He'll be top ten... I have the faith... No way is Kishi trolling a Hokage this badly.

Exactly!!!! Totally agree! =D

 

[NewKageism]

Yea why bring Hiruzen back to do same stuff and get GG fast.

Remember they had an episode just for his death. No one had a big esp just for death like that. He is going to do something with some feats to it.


Sorry he lived in a time period where people like Muu, 3 raikage, hanzo he seen them all live. He has to have a better justu

Believe it

 

[Sacrosanct]

He'll be top ten... I have the faith... No way is Kishi trolling a Hokage this badly.

Look at Tsunade. Hiruzen is Top 15 at best, and that's when he was younger. No way that he's above the likes of Bee, who is at the absolute bottom of my Top 10 list (and he's only there because I have characters share positions).

 

[startup97]

Read into what more? Tell me then, how would he have dealt with the other Kage had he been faced up against them when by his own words he's under Part 1 Orochimaru?
1. Hiruzen failed to live up to the Nidaime, per his own words.
2. Any of the Hokage would have done that. Take for example Tobirama and Minato taking on Obito right now as well as Hashirama taking on Madara, much bigger threats.
3. Jiraiya didn't want the position. Orochimaru defected. Tsunade was a mess.
4. So because he lived longer than Hashirama, he's stronger than him?

You underrate Hiruzen too much. Hiruzen admitted being under Orochimaru only because he was old at the time. He knew his stamina, speed and strength had gone done big time. Hiruzen 10 years younger would destroy Orochimaru. Orochimaru admitted it!

 

[startup97]

Look at Tsunade. Hiruzen is Top 15 at best, and that's when he was younger.

Well he was trolling Tobirama for while and giving Hashirama and Minato the spotlight until that 1 chapter Tobirama did something. Now it's Hiruzen's turn.

 

[Sacrosanct]

You underrate Hiruzen too much. Hiruzen admitted being under Orochimaru only because he was old at the time. He knew his stamina, speed and strength had gone done big time. Hiruzen 10 years younger would destroy Orochimaru. Orochimaru admitted it!

The databook implies that Hiruzen would have been able to successfully RDS Orochimaru as well as the weakened former Hokage. That's just stating that he would have had the strength to seal Orochimaru away rather than having to settle for his arms.

Tell me, if you're saying that Hiruzen being the strongest Kage at his time of death wasn't false hype, how would he have kept up with one of the few perfect jinchuuriki, the Yondaime Mizukage? Or, how would he have dealt with the speed of the Yondaime Raikage? Better yet, how would he get close to the Yondaime Kazekage? Finally, how would he even touch the Sandaime Tsuchikage? Or deal with his jinton?

Well he was trolling Tobirama for while and giving Hashirama and Minato the spotlight until that 1 chapter Tobirama did something. Now it's Hiruzen's turn.

The difference between the two is that Hiruzen already stated that he was under Part 1 Orochimaru, so I don't know why you expect him to show anything that will break him into Top 10 when he's still an old man with the same speed and strength.

 

[startup97]

The databook implies that Hiruzen would have been able to successfully RDS Orochimaru as well as the weakened former Hokage. That's just stating that he would have had the strength to seal Orochimaru away rather than having to settle for his arms.

Tell me, if you're saying that Hiruzen being the strongest Kage at his time of death wasn't false hype, how would he have kept up with one of the few perfect jinchuuriki, the Yondaime Mizukage? Or, how would he have dealt with the speed of the Yondaime Raikage? Better yet, how would he get close to the Yondaime Kazekage? Finally, how would he even touch the Sandaime Tsuchikage? Or deal with his jinton?

It's called patience mate. Like I said the manga is not over and Hiruzen is still around. Kishi will showcase Hiruzen very soon.

 

[Sacrosanct]

It's called patience mate. Like I said the manga is not over and Hiruzen is still around. Kishi will showcase Hiruzen very soon.

Showcase Hiruzen doing what? The only thing Hiruzen will do is back up his statements putting him under Part 1 Orochimaru.

 

[startup97]

The databook implies that Hiruzen would have been able to successfully RDS Orochimaru as well as the weakened former Hokage. That's just stating that he would have had the strength to seal Orochimaru away rather than having to settle for his arms.

Tell me, if you're saying that Hiruzen being the strongest Kage at his time of death wasn't false hype, how would he have kept up with one of the few perfect jinchuuriki, the Yondaime Mizukage? Or, how would he have dealt with the speed of the Yondaime Raikage? Better yet, how would he get close to the Yondaime Kazekage? Finally, how would he even touch the Sandaime Tsuchikage? Or deal with his jinton?



The difference between the two is that Hiruzen already stated that he was under Part 1 Orochimaru, so I don't know why you expect him to show anything that will break him into Top 10 when he's still an old man with the same speed and strength.

Because it's Kishi's manga and he does whatever he wants and second: His speed is very good. He arrived with the other 2 Hokage at the same time in the battlefield.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Because it's Kishi's manga and he does whatever he wants and second: His speed is very good. He arrived with the other 2 Hokage at the same time in the battlefield.

You're basically saying that Kishimoto will contradict things in the manga that have already been contradicted so they can be the way that you want them to be. So you're saying Old Hiruzen is as fast as Hashirama and Tobirama? Come on, stop it.

 

[Bantos]

Hiruzen already showed his skills. Shurikens. Many shurikens. Big shurikens. Many big shurikens. He is so strong!

 

[Apocalypse Ninja]

I'm still waiting for Hiruzen Sarutobi to show his A-game, there's still time for him to shine.


When I was reading the manga and it showed Hiruzen get annihilated by Juubito's attack i was like OH GREAT! HIRUZEN JUST GOT YAMNCHAD! ...my brother was like "What's wrong?" I said, you'll see...

 

[NewKageism]

Showcase Hiruzen doing what? The only thing Hiruzen will do is back up his statements putting him under Part 1 Orochimaru.

To be logical I would not even dare to compare feats because he has no powerful ones of any of their caliber. But you most think too he had to.

What would stop them from taking over his village if their kage was weak. You see how Pain came into Kohan when Tsunade was running it. Tsunade had no rep only being a skillful doctor/medic which she counter many poisons during the war and being a Sannin that is what she was known for and being of the first blood line. Why the other two had gain respect from fighting, kidnappings, making villages , books etc...
Same as Hiurzen his name is associated with having the will of fire. He is a warrior people respected him as such.

Now why did the 3 not die in a one on one battle like Muu and
Second Mizukage, or die in the hands of 3 raikage and Onoki etc.. He left, retired, and rehired.
He live in a age where kages spots were always trying to get taken examples Sasori killing a kage, Zabuza trying to overthrow a kage, etc...

He is not simply weak and control a village with tons of strong people who lived in it at the time.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Look at Tsunade. .

Let's wait until my precidition about her sage mode comes true.
But anyways, even with her current skills, she is easily in top 20-25. ( top 15 if we use only the currently alive characters ) Which isn't that bad, considering she is a female character in Kishi's manga.

 

[NewKageism]

For me I dislike hyping hyped word say. But for example look at this video.
The second hokage had a few people to choose from who had great abilities.
You had Danzo leader of root, you had a Uchiha, you had the two future advisers, and looks like someone from Choji clan.

But as you can see people was talking about certain death. All had doubts about coming out alive if anyone went back.

Hiruzen say I go back and I will live. If you suck you suck. But Hiruzen acts, and fights like a boss. Later you heard Danzo say I was willing to die. Hiruzen say nothing about himself dying. Meaning he wanted to win or was capable of winning.

It start at 4417[video=youtube;ONRdQm8U0zo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONRdQm8U0zo[/video]

 

[General Lex]

Showcase Hiruzen doing what? The only thing Hiruzen will do is back up his statements putting him under Part 1 Orochimaru.

For a person talking a lot about other people speculating, you are doing the same saying that there wit be anything special about him other than what is already known. It's better to say something like "let's wait ad see".

 

[MuerteMiAmigo]

he's already top20 since according to the manga and the databook prime Hiruzen stomps Oro who's top 22-23[/IMG]

your sig is so distracting