[Discussion] Avengers vs X-Men

[xjimbox]

No I didn't forget. However in the fighting category Cap has one more bar than Cyclops. And I havent really seen any great fighting capabilities of Cyclops. Sure he trained under Wolverine but Cap is all about fighting since he doesnt have any superpowers. Thats his specialty, his hand to hand combat.

I summit to ur win lol Factually it's captain America but personally I think it's cyclops

 

[Dreckerplayer]

I summit to ur win lol Factually it's captain America but personally I think it's cyclops

It can't be a 'fact' because it has not happened, nor was it proven. This is all opinion. Captain America is highly overrated by Americans just because he represents America...

If you go by power grid, it shows that Cyclops is more strong/powerful.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Now you're bringing america into this? smh

But AvX is highly irrelevant

 

[Kettei]

It can't be a 'fact' because it has not happened, nor was it proven. This is all opinion. Captain America is highly overrated by Americans just because he represents America...

If you go by power grid, it shows that Cyclops is more strong/powerful.

What does being from America have anything to do with it? All of Marvel was made in America lol. That's a very flawed way to think.

 

[xjimbox]

It can't be a 'fact' because it has not happened, nor was it proven. This is all opinion. Captain America is highly overrated by Americans just because he represents America...

If you go by power grid, it shows that Cyclops is more strong/powerful.

I understand that I love cyclops but he dosent have super human physical abilities and if he gets hit he's gonna be hurt.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

What does being from America have anything to do with it? All of Marvel was made in America lol. That's a very flawed way to think.

It's not a 'very flawed' way of thinking. A majority of proud Americans obsess over Captain America because he served the country and for what he represents.

'All of Marvel was made in America' that has nothing to do with anything, and that's very flawed logic. I wish some people could debate rather than agree or disagree with baseless statements.

Stop saying AvX is irrelevant...both are very popular. People love the idea of 'forsaken mutants' vs 'superhuman former government employees/veterans'. Of course, being that this is america, the majority will favor the Avengers more. They're almost like polar opposites, one was shunned by america, while the other was praised by them. It's a very important concept, whether you agree or disagree.

X-men are like the rebels that fight for equality and peace, while the Avengers are more like the 'conformists' that get praised/brown-nosed by everyone. To add 'Thor' to the Avengers was like saying 'God is on our side, and he loves us more'.

Edit: AvX to me is like saying 'Who wins in the end, those that conform, or those who think for themselves?'' That's just how I see it.

There's a moral behind it all. Just like those pixar movies with subliminal messages.

 

[Jin Hayami]

Of course it all depends on which universe were talking about but generally...

Lineup!:

1. Captain America vs Cyclops: Cap is more versatile and has a way to block Cys attacks. Can't say the other way around.

2. Iron Man vs Magneto: A bit mismatched here. I'm sure Tony's intellect could develope a plan to win with prep time but in open pitched battle Magneto solos almost everyone.

3. Daredevil vs Wolverine: Wolverine has overall superior senses and his healing factor. The claws wouldn't even be necessary.

4. Hulk vs Juggernaut: Tough call. Unstoppable force vs the unmovable object. I think the Juggsters body would break before his will would.

5. Thor vs Storm: Thor can do just about everything Storm can and more. Add in the whole demi god thing and were looking at a land slide.

6. Black Panther vs Beast: Again tough call. Could really go either way. Beast takes it just because of his intellect.

7. Spider-Man vs Gambit: Depends on which Gambit were talking about. Regular Gambit would probably lose to Spidey. The I-look-at-shit-and-it-explodes Gambit solos no diff.

8. Falcon vs Angel: Falcon sucks.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Of course it all depends on which universe were talking about but generally...

Lineup!:

1. Captain America vs Cyclops: Cap is more versatile and has a way to block Cys attacks. Can't say the other way around.

2. Iron Man vs Magneto: A bit mismatched here. I'm sure Tony's intellect could develope a plan to win with prep time but in open pitched battle Magneto solos almost everyone.

3. Daredevil vs Wolverine: Wolverine has overall superior senses and his healing factor. The claws wouldn't even be necessary.

4. Hulk vs Juggernaut: Tough call. Unstoppable force vs the unmovable object. I think the Juggsters body would break before his will would.

5. Thor vs Storm: Thor can do just about everything Storm can and more. Add in the whole demi god thing and were looking at a land slide.

6. Black Panther vs Beast: Again tough call. Could really go either way. Beast takes it just because of his intellect.

7. Spider-Man vs Gambit: Depends on which Gambit were talking about. Regular Gambit would probably lose to Spidey. The I-look-at-shit-and-it-explodes Gambit solos no diff.

8. Falcon vs Angel: Falcon sucks.

CAvC is highly debatable,except CA can only block with his adamantium shield. Let's not forget about the concussive force of Cyclop's beam, powerful enough to push him far back. Although Captian America has enhanced strength, it isn't strong enough to allow him move close to Cyclops. Basically, it keeps him in long range, and once CA throws that shield at Cyclops, he's open.

The shield can be easily dodged with Cyclop's martial arts skill. It will also take time for the shield to reach back to CA, depending on how far he was pushed back by the beam. What can CA do in the mean time, without getting pushed back? He can't stay close to cyclops for too long.It'll be a troll.

The fight will be to Cyclops convenience, in my opinion.

Edits: Let's also keep in mind that Cyclops is one of the best tacticians, so avoiding being hit with a shield through long range shouldn't be perplexing, at all. A simple blast under the ground that Captain America is standing on could possibly end the fight. There's just too many ways he could win, I could keep going on, and on.

 

[Jin Hayami]

CAvC is highly debatable,except CA can only block with his adamantium shield. Let's not forget about the concussive force of Cyclop's beam, powerful enough to push him far back. Although Captian America has enhanced strength, it isn't strong enough to allow him move close to Cyclops. Basically, it keeps him in long range, and once CA throws that shield at Cyclops, he's open.

The shield can be easily dodged with Cyclop's martial arts skill. It will also take time for the shield to reach back to CA, depending on how far he was pushed back by the beam. What can CA do in the mean time, without getting pushed back? He can't stay close to cyclops for too long.It'll be a troll.

The fight will be to Cyclops convenience, in my opinion.

Cap has superior agility speed strength and reaction time. I'll admit its close but were at an impasse. There is no way to prove if Cap could force his way up to Cyclops and drop him or if his shield would hit. There's also no way to say whether or not Cyclops would be able to dodge his shield without going into a substitution jutsu bullshit debate. When it comes down to it who has the better plot armor? Imo its Cap.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Cap has superior agility speed strength and reaction time. I'll admit its close but were at an impasse. There is no way to prove if Cap could force his way up to Cyclops and drop him or if his shield would hit. There's also no way to say whether or not Cyclops would be able to dodge his shield without going into a substitution jutsu bullshit debate. When it comes down to it who has the better plot armor? Imo its Cap.

Your explanation wasn't elaborate enough to conclude that Captian America has better 'plot armor', im sorry. It's not rocket science for a master tactician to apprehend a shield.

One thing I do know, is that Gambit could possibly defeat Captain America.

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With Captian America, the shield and weapons are the only issue.

What's very confusing, is that even though Cyclop's beam teleports the targeted object to another dimension, it doesn't always disappear in comics...that's very confusing.

 

[Jin Hayami]

Your explanation wasn't elaborate enough to conclude that Captian America has better 'plot armor', im sorry. It's not rocket science for a master tactician to apprehend a shield.

One thing I do know, is that Gambit could possibly defeat Captain America.

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With Captian America, the shield and weapons

Anticipation and preparedness aren't the same thing. There are simply way too many scenarios and variables to say for sure. I pick Cap because has an actually defense for Cyclopes attack. Cyclops does not have a defense against Caps. Like I said this one comes down to plot armor.

Gambit is a whole nother animal. Cap matches up better against Cyclops because Cyclops is a range fighter. Gambit is most dangerous up close and at short distances.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Anticipation and preparedness aren't the same thing. There are simply way too many scenarios and variables to say for sure. I pick Cap because has an actually defense for Cyclopes attack. Cyclops does not have a defense against Caps. Like I said this one comes down to plot armor.

Gambit is a whole nother animal. Cap matches up better against Cyclops because Cyclops is a range fighter. Gambit is most dangerous up close and at short distances.

Valid point.

Edit: AvX Irrelevant? yeah right...

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[Demonic Kitsune]

1: Captain America

2:Magneto

3:Wolverine

4:Hulk

5:Storm

6: Beast/Toss up

7:Spider-Man

8:Whos falcon?? lol i forgot so idk

 

[Demonic Kitsune]

tbh, x-men isn't even my fav team and avengers is better, but what I don't like is when ridiculous fights are together and the character that is outclassed in just about anything wins for no reason.

its all good bro, Justice League > them all

 

[Dreckerplayer]

its all good bro, Justice League > them all

Don't bring them up on this thread...lmao. The only team i like from DC comics are the Teen Titans, that's it.

Marvel is just more 'urban' and more realistic.

 

[Shirou Emiya]

This is a battle thread with The Avengers vs The X-Men. Here are the lineups.

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Lineup!:

1. Captain America vs Cyclops

2. Iron Man vs Magneto

3. Daredevil vs Wolverine

4. Hulk vs Juggernaut

5. Thor vs Storm

6. Black Panther vs Beast

7. Spider-Man vs Gambit

8. Falcon vs Angel

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Choose the winner in your post by putting the number first then the person you think would win.

Example: 1. Captain America

Captain america
Iron man
Wolverine
Hulk
Thor
Black panther
Spider-Man
Falcon

 

[chopstickchakra]

You guys know Marvel did this exact event right with almost the same matchups and for the record Ironman won because he has a suit made of plastics just for fighting Magneto.

 

[VangBro95]

1. Captain America
2. Magneto
3. Wolverine
4. Hulk
5. Thor
6. Black Panther
7. Gambit
8. Angel

 

[Jack Spicer]

1. Captain America (Cyclops and Cap are very similar. Both are leaders. I think it comes down to a fist fight. I feel Cap has that won.)

2. Magneto (Even if Tony makes his suit non-metal, metal is everywhere. Magneto will make his own suit if need be to withstand some damage from Tony's beams. The suit runs on power. Magneto can withstand I believe. I also just really like Magneto and I can see both winning, but I have to go with Magneto.)

3. Wolverine (Daredevil's cool, but Wolverine is one of Marvel's best.)

4. Hulk (Juggernaut is only a man. A very strong one, but I see Hulk's never ending rage breaking that helmet and possible his body.)

5. Thor (Storm merely adopted the lightening, but Thor was born in it, molded by it. He also has a hammer and is a God.)

6. Black Panther (I feel like Black Panther is a more mature fighter and can take Beast. Add on some of his nifty uranium tools, and I think he wins.)

7. Spider-Man (Gambit's good, but Spiderman's spider sense is a major advantage against anyone. Add on the web, agile speed, and strength, he wins.)

8. Falcon vs Angel (I honestly have no input here.)

Very fun thread. I'd like to see another one later.