Gai takes the gauntlet.

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That's not evidence.
Show me a scan where Madara's V3 Susanoo is DESTROYED/ DAMAGED by the Hirudora.
I know I used to think it destroyed it, but KidGameer convinced me. The Hirudora just pushed back the susanoo.

Kidgamer's reasoning is that a V1 Susanoo tanked Kirin and he refuses to think Hirudora is stronger than that.

Madara had no reason to step out of that fight.

Madara had no reason to let Obito died, and as Obito said Kakashi could kill him when he was alone.

Thus, Hirudora somehow disabled Madara.
 

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He beats the first 4 without any major difficulty.

5 to 7 will be challenging, but I'm pretty sure he can take them.

After than I think it becomes too much for him. Sasori + Deidara?? He'll have to avoid multiple attacks from Clay birds and poisoned weapons all the time. One attack would be enough to take him out or at least leave him wounded enough for him to get taken out pretty easily.

Not to mention C3 which isn't restricted. That thing is pretty underestimated and has a huge explosion radius. And I really don't see Guy surviving that.

So the conclusion is that he beats the first 7. Not any more than that :)
 

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He beats the first 4 without any major difficulty.

5 to 7 will be challenging, but I'm pretty sure he can take them.

After than I think it becomes too much for him. Sasori + Deidara?? He'll have to avoid multiple attacks from Clay birds and poisoned weapons all the time. One attack would be enough to take him out or at least leave him wounded enough for him to get taken out pretty easily.

Not to mention C3 which isn't restricted. That thing is pretty underestimated and has a huge explosion radius. And I really don't see Guy surviving that.

So the conclusion is that he beats the first 7. Not any more than that :)

he stops at tsunade. Breaking bones/concussive damage doesn't affect her.
For him to win he can't use gates and has to rely mainly on his nunchaku outlasting her.(thats a strech)
 

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Hirudora is ****ing compressed air ....basically on par with an FRS if not weaker U_U its not destroying shit
 

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Kidgamer's reasoning is that a V1 Susanoo tanked Kirin and he refuses to think Hirudora is stronger than that.

Madara had no reason to step out of that fight.

Madara had no reason to let Obito died, and as Obito said Kakashi could kill him when he was alone.

Thus, Hirudora somehow disabled Madara.

Mainly cause feats show the Hirudora is weaker. Though it should be common sense for a concentrated blast of lightning to flattened a small Mountain/Large hill to be stronger than any Hirudora shown in this manga.

Your reasoning is kind of flawed since Madara was instead of rushing back to the fight like you claim he would. I don't think that image paints the picture of a guy who is worried that Obito will get killed by Naruto and Co especially since he knew the Juubi was going to revive soon.

There's also Madara sitting down, doing nothing, waiting for Hashirama, while the latter and the SA were attacking the Juubi. The fact that he has a trump card means that in the event he didn't get revived by Obito, means that he can still complete his goal without him. There's also his facial expression and dialogue

We also can't forget about the fact that a stronger Hirudora than the one that hit Madara couldn't even kill Kisame (It was bigger when it was fired and when it exploded)
 

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stop overrating pre-Itachi Sasuke
being a main char alone doesn't make that strong
even Deidara needed an asspull weakness to not solo him
 

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Your reasoning is kind of flawed since Madara was seen sitting back on a cliff instead of rushing back to the fight like you claim he would.

juubi was alive already. Obito was safe.

Mainly cause feats show the Hirudora is weaker.

The only feat that going for you that way is it not killing Kisame, when it:

1. Was used underwater, thus losing a lot of force.

2. Ate through GSB and sharks.

3. Gai wanted Kisame alive.

There's also Madara sitting down, doing nothing, waiting for Hashirama, while the latter and the SA were attacking the Juubi. The fact that he has a trump card means that in the event he didn't get revived by Obito, means that he can still complete his goal without him. There's also his facial expression and dialogue that implies its not over yet.

That's a theory, not a fact.

His trump card might be summoning Goku for all we know.
 

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juubi was alive already. Obito was safe.
Clearly he had been sitting on that cliff before Juubi was revived. Unless you think he climbed on top of it the moment it was revived only to get off a second later.


The only feat that going for you that way is it not killing Kisame, when it:

1. Was used underwater, thus losing a lot of force.

2. Ate through GSB and sharks.

3. Gai wanted Kisame alive.

2 really doesn't help prove your point as Kisame already stated that his GSB did nothing to Hirudora.

3 doesn't change the power of the attack at all.

1. Doesn't change the fact that explosion was still stronger and larger than the one used against Madara.

The one used on Kisame was stronger than the one used on Madara.

than the pre compression.

were ,

The explosion itself than the one

There's also common sense. Why would a Hirudora used by a tired, fatigued Gai be stronger than a Hirudora used by a Gai in the 7th Gate?

That's a theory, not a fact.

His trump card might be summoning Goku for all we know.

Regardless, its certain that his trump card allows him to continue the plan despite Obito being able to revive him or not. That was my point.
 

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Hirudora is ****ing compressed air ....basically on par with an FRS if not weaker U_U its not destroying shit

Its tiers below FRS.Hirudora is overrated.
 

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2 really doesn't help prove your point as Kisame already stated that his GSB did nothing to Hirudora.

It's not that. GSB did not -absorb- Hirudora, but Hirudora still had to tear through it.

If you shoot a bullet directly at a man or put a wall in front of him the results are different.

3 doesn't change the power of the attack at all.

That's your opinion. Jutsus can differ in strength. You can put more chakra behind it.

Not every Rasengan used by Naruto since Part 1 is the same, for example.

Bigger than the one used on Madara pre compression.

Shockwaves were created the first time, but not the second time.

The explosion itself was bigger than the one used on Madara.

There's also common sense. Why would a Hirudora used by a tired, fatigued Gai be stronger than a Hirudora used by a Gai in the 7th Gate?

The Hirudora used against Madara had already traveled by the time it was shown. The first comparison is between a Hirudora that has not yet been launched and one that has already hit.

Shockwaves can mostly be explained by it being used near the ocean, which has a current by itself. That, coupled with Hirudora's created whatever wind the Leaf shinobi had to brace against.

There's also common sense. Why would a Hirudora used by a tired, fatigued Gai be stronger than a Hirudora used by a Gai in the 7th Gate?

I already explained that. Water, GSB, Sharks, intent to kill. They all have their role.

Also, the size of the explosion should not be used to determine a jutsu's strength. Kishimoto doesn't draw his scans thinking about people who debate on some fansite. Some explosions are bigger to make a point.
 

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It's not that. GSB did not -absorb- Hirudora, but Hirudora still had to tear through it.

If you shoot a bullet directly at a man or put a wall in front of him the results are different
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It doesn't change the fact that the one used on Kisame had a bigger explosion, created more energy, and was bigger from the moment it was formed. All that not having the intent to kill and it tearing through GSB first only proves that Gai could use a stronger one, not that the one he used on Madara broke Susanoo and was superior to the one used on Kisame.


That's your opinion. Jutsus can differ in strength. You can put more chakra behind it.

Not every Rasengan used by Naruto since Part 1 is the same, for example.
When I said that I meant it didn't make the attack any weaker than what we saw it as in the manga, as in its end explosion. After it tore through GSB.

The Hirudora used against Madara had already traveled by the time it was shown. The first comparison is between a Hirudora that has not yet been launched and one that has already hit.

Shockwaves can mostly be explained by it being used near the ocean, which has a current by itself. That, coupled with Hirudora's created whatever wind the Leaf shinobi had to brace against.
@bold: When Gai made his vs Kisame,

, a was fired.

Yamato explained that the shockwaves were nothing but the energy that Hirudora expels once its been used and he stated it'd spread around the surrounding area. Whether or not ocean currents helped this or not doesn't change the fact there were was no energy spread around the surrounding area when it was used on Madara.
I already explained that. Water, GSB, Sharks, intent to kill. They all have their role.

Also, the size of the explosion should not be used to determine a jutsu's strength. Kishimoto doesn't draw his scans thinking about people who debate on some fansite. Some explosions are bigger to make a point.

Water, Intent to Kill, and GSB only show that Gai has the potential to create a stronger one while he is in Gates mode. Not that the one he used against Madara was indeed superior. Cause size of Hirudora, size of its explosion, and its energy output disagree with that.

Bijuu Dama disagrees. Deidara's bombs disagree. Explosion size for a jutsu like this can be used to determine its strength. Hirudora starts off as a bunch of air pressure (Before its fired) then it compresses itself and blows up on command releasing a concussive explosion.

If the tiger is smaller from the start, that means less air pressure to be compressed which means a weaker blast.

I fail to see how you or anyone else believes the one used on Kisame was weaker despite it being bigger than the one used on Madara in terms of its explosion and the tiger's size before and during it being fired, and it having more energy output.

I fail to see how you or anyone else think Hirudora (A blast of air pressure created by a super fast punch), is as strong as a concentrated blast of lightning that flattened a large hill/small mountain.
 

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You're basing your whole argument on its size and blast radius, when in the first case it could have been higher due to it carrying water as it traveled, which would explain its increased volume.
 

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You're basing your whole argument on its size and blast radius, when in the first case it could have been higher due to it carrying water as it traveled, which would explain its increased volume.

Its just air. I fail to see how water is going to make its explosion bigger or how its going to carry water with it. That couldn't even be the case for the tiger being bigger than it was vs. Madara. As he formed the air pressure on the spot behind him.

And of course my argument is based off its size and blast radius. The more air pressure that is compressed, the stronger it will be when it explodes. Not to mention the fact more energy was created by the first one than the second one, nothing in your explanation would change that even if it were true.
 

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I'm not sure if people read the op? He gaves given full intel on everyone , doesn't stop at Tsunade , decapitation GG
 

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The Hirudora started to be as owerwanked as the Domu.
 
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Everyone who says that Guy stomps Shikamaru,Kiba and Ino is clearly wanking, Guys only Chance is to blitz them or somethin like that what is only going to happen after he opened the 4th gate or higher, so a stomp isnt happen really. Guy wins high diff, against Naruto high diff too and then he stops at Hebi Sasuke, Guy cant beat him seriously. Every Akatsuki member solos Guy without too much effort, same goes with Sannin
 
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