Why don't countries prohibit the use of weapons?

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Regardless, if you're using reality as a basis for fiction, you can clearly analyze the faults of the superpowers in the Naruto verse. Remember although he was still ready to fight and ready for the worst, Minato could not save Rin, he could not protect everyone.

In light of the events in Naruto we can also derive the true human nature, one that deceives and destroys. Not every man will be as idealistic as you, nor will every man wish for a utopia. Taking away weapons and changing the system of a clashing world would cause uproar and more violence. To date even many Americans find it offensive when there president speaks so strongly of gun control and the "good" that can come of it...

But I ask you, if not for guns, and weapons, many may die. Although many may suffer, it's a necessary evil and the lesser of the two. I would love your idea and frame that on our Earth, but it is just as fictional as Naruto is, in fact implementing something like what you say here is to me, impossible. Although the thought is generously benevolent.

Rin dying because of Minato is still baseless because we don't know why Minato wasn't there? The true human nature is not to destroy and decieve bro. :devil: That's just the devil spitting on yo soul. :yeah: The idea of a perfect world is far-fetched. That itself isn't impossible feat to perform within an instant. Although, you do have a really good point. The peoples minds would be in conflict and it would perhaps cause more problems, seeing as how things are.

OP love you man, your thoughts are intelligent, wise in fact. But its naive to think it would be possible in today's growing society and in future generations stemming from this one.

Thank you but the answer to your post is right here in this manga chapter. I am like Naruto and you are like Nagato. :scorps:
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Like I said before, with time everything can fall into place. What is needed now are rational ideas and manpower(the ability to practically do something and to have the firm determination). :cool:

Well you cant have weapons in Canada and guess what ? still less crime than in USA

Edit: anyone who goes in a blind rage and have a weapon is gonna use it .... end of the line

Less crime in USA? Isn't that good then? :| The most effective way to stop this, is to stop the source. It's clearly logical and quite reasonable.

UN and NATO aren't super powers. are you talking about taking all weapons away? or just weapons owned by civillians? prohibiting the use of weapons globally will never happen. the main reason why we (the U.S) havent been taken over by another country is because of all the weapons that we civillians own. so weapons arent bad, its just the bad people that use them malicously. sorry its jumbled but its basically the jist of it.

You know what I mean. The decisions of NATO and UN have the biggest impact on the world and they have the power to make things possible. I'm not talking about taking all weapons away. Only those in authority can possess them as we work towards there complete abolition. @bold - what you say is right, however US is also hated and being target because of this reason. This is actually one of the reason tbh. Because there are so many weapons owned by the US, the radical groups and other people begin to develop hate towards the US. U_U
 

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"I don't mean to say to prohibit the weapons completely from the countries. We all know that is impossible, especially considering how much lethal weapons there are in the World. There are vast numbers of guns and explosive materials to be used as weapons.
Then what are you saying? How much of a limitation are you thinking of?
By the way, the leaders of countries could make harsh yet reasonable and just laws in order to ensure safety of citizens and everyone over the areas they are governing."
I agree, but although taking away arms may seem reasonable at face-value, it falls completely short of just. People hold their lives in the highest most regard in terms of importance. If their lives are threatened and they only have themselves to depend on, they will protect it using any and all means necessary. Taking away a means to protect your life is everything that is unjust, unreasonable, and unwanted.
 

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Because random people would randomly kill off other random people? Do you want that?
 

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Then what are you saying? How much of a limitation are you thinking of?

I agree, but although taking away arms may seem reasonable at face-value, it falls completely short of just. People hold their lives in the highest most regard in terms of importance. If their lives are threatened and they only have themselves to depend on, they will protect it using any and all means necessary. Taking away a means to protect your life is everything that is unjust, unreasonable, and unwanted.

I understand and respect what your getting at here. Your referring to peoples mentality, right? And I agree, that is probably the only biggest problem in this matter. That is why I changed my statement a little. It could work but it certainly does need time to attend to. Depending on how much it would take, would be all relied on how quick the intelligent and rational people act and how effective there actions are which they are willing to take to initiate this.

By the way, please don't misunderstand. People are free to defend themselves. But it wouldn't be neccessary for a person to defend himself with a gun in his possession. :yeah: If your gonna ask, what if the person about to attack him has a gun? Well in that case, it would be on the authoritative peoples head. Just remember, the people that govern a land or country are responsible for everything that happens there(whether it's good or bad). :yeah:

Because random people would randomly kill off other random people? Do you want that?

:what: I'm sorry but half of that isn't making sense. If I take what you said literally, I can say that this can happen anyway. However, by taking away and abolishing weapons you are drastically limiting the probability of such occurrences. :scorps:
 

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Yes you're right. Nevermind my previous post, I mis-read the topic title. Yes, I agree that the weapons should be prohibited. However, there's surely some stupid law that has something against this.
 

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Guns were created by cowards, since it's man made they'll feel weak without some sort of weapon/explosion
 

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Because some people when fighting gotta take out knives like *****s
 
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not 100% of the people in the world want world peace. there is a good percentage of people who make their living off of illegal activities. So taking away the right to have a gun therefor just gives an open invitation to all those people to start robbing and mugging a lot more.

On top of that a nation with no weapons is easily controlled by their government. that is why US citizens have the right to own and to carry a weapon as long as it is not concealed. What happens when the nation falls into the wrong hands and no one has a weapon to protect themselves?

Furthermore, how are police supposed to stop crime? let's say a woman is held hostage and the guy holding her hostage has a knife to her throat....well now they have no way to shoot the man. more than likely, she is going to die.
 

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So tell me how are we going to fight the gangs, mafias, and drug cartels of the world if we disarm ourselves. Without weapons 3 thugs can always beat up people weaker than them and steal their shit, abduct and rape them, or kill them. Gangs would be as powerful as the local police forces in all places (Right now gangs only have power in cities that have disarmed themselves).

Also anytime you make something illegal you create a black market for it. You ever seen the gangs in Chicago when they were living in a "gun free zone" they were so well armed the police was scared to go into the area without a whole swat team.

Guns aren't even the problem. Explosives and chemical weapons are.
 
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I understand and respect what your getting at here. Your referring to peoples mentality, right? And I agree, that is probably the only biggest problem in this matter. That is why I changed my statement a little. It could work but it certainly does need time to attend to. Depending on how much it would take, would be all relied on how quick the intelligent and rational people act and how effective there actions are which they are willing to take to initiate this.

By the way, please don't misunderstand. People are free to defend themselves. But it wouldn't be neccessary for a person to defend himself with a gun in his possession. :yeah: If your gonna ask, what if the person about to attack him has a gun? Well in that case, it would be on the authoritative peoples head.
But I'm sure you're familiar with this argument: cops can't teleport to where I am to protect me. In fact, the time they take to get to me, say 5 minutes, I probably would have been laid to waste and the criminal would have taken the road already. If I'm dead, all the cops can do is pursue my killer, but how does this benefit me, a dead guy? All too often, especially in the case of break-ins, there is no time to call the cops, only time to defend yourself and your family.

Just remember, the people that govern a land or country are responsible for everything that happens there(whether it's good or bad). :yeah:
Those with the authority to enforce laws aren't as goody-two-shoes as you proclaim:

We can't leave responsibility to power hogs, you might say this was a one case scenario, but in truth, police abuse our rights everyday and lose no sleep over it. In countries like Great Britain, not even the cops have guns; armed cops and unarmed civilians is nothing short of a police state.
 

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not 100% of the people in the world want world peace. there is a good percentage of people who make their living off of illegal activities. So taking away the right to have a gun therefor just gives an open invitation to all those people to start robbing and mugging a lot more.

On top of that a nation with no weapons is easily controlled by their government. that is why US citizens have the right to own and to carry a weapon as long as it is not concealed. What happens when the nation falls into the wrong hands and no one has a weapon to protect themselves?

Furthermore, how are police supposed to stop crime? let's say a woman is held hostage and the guy holding her hostage has a knife to her throat....well now they have no way to shoot the man. more than likely, she is going to die.

You are right. There are roughly only 35% of people that sincerely want World peace. The other 40% are deluded and in despair, while the other 25% wish to make money via illegal activities(just like you said). :yeah: Precisely this, is the reason why we are not getting anywhere and the fight towards sustainable and effective peace cannot be attained. Because of this two-tier system in the way and no real sense of equality, people feel unenthusiastic and despondent. U_U People who are poor, feel like stealing, killing and doing any possible to get money. While people who are rich become greedy, selfish, egoistic and just plain deluded. This is why the culture and lifestyle we follow is cursed. :devil:

By the way, I'm not saying that taking weapons away from everyone is the only thing we can do to ensure safety. There are other things which follow this action. Like I said in the earlier posts, it is not something that can be done in an instant. We have to work towards this by setting and completing objectives. I also stated that only the authorities will have possession to the weapons to begin with. If a law is made which allows weapons to be prohibited from the public to use them, they will be forced to abide by that law. If they brake it, they will simply suffer the consequences. The US should be more like UK, Germany and China when it comes to dealing with weapons. Compare the gun crime there with the gun crime in the US. You'll see a clear difference. :yeah:

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So tell me how are we going to fight the gangs, mafias, and drug cartels of the world if we disarm ourselves. Without weapons 3 thugs can always beat up people weaker than them and steal their shit, abduct and rape them, or kill them. Gangs would be as powerful as the local police forces in all places (Right now gangs only have power in cities that have disarmed themselves).

Also anytime you make something illegal you create a black market for it. You ever seen the gangs in Chicago when they were living in a "gun free zone" they were so well armed the police was scared to go into the area without a whole swat team.

Guns aren't even the problem. Explosives and chemical weapons are.

You have to read the earlier posts. I understand that what I said in the first post is a little vague and that's why it's best if you read the posts that came after that. :rolleyes: As for black markets being created, well the particular state shouldn't allow them to exist in the first place. Considering they trade things that are illegal, after all. :|

I'm not stupid enough to say that the police and those in authority should refrain from using weapons and the public(including the criminals etc.) should continue using them. xd That would be damn right stupid. Don't you think the smart method would be to take the weapons away from the general public first? :rolleyes:
 

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While having a peaceful world is great and all, human nature inevitably brings rise to conflict. I see weapons, when legally bared, as a necessary evil and deterrent. It's unfortunate that the world works that way, though, but that's reality.

Maybe once we start colonizing other planets, we'll see a decrease in overall violence.
 

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You have to read the earlier posts. I understand that what I said in the first post is a little vague and that's why it's best if you read the posts that came after that. :rolleyes: As for black markets being created, well the particular state shouldn't allow them to exist in the first place. Considering they trade things that are illegal, after all. :|

I'm not stupid enough to say that the police and those in authority should refrain from using weapons and the public(including the criminals etc.) should continue using them. xd That would be damn right stupid. Don't you think the smart method would be to take the weapons away from the general public first? :rolleyes:

It isn't like there is a Black Walmart where you go to buy illegal goods and the government ignores them. It is a network of smugglers and underground salesmen selling highly profitable good that are not normally available due to government restrictions. There isn't a master plan for the black market, it just exists because a demand exists. During the prohibition the black market was for alcohol and the cops that were busting distilleries by day were drinking at speakeasies at night.

The government is the last people I want armed. They are far more dangerous than any person with a gun. The USA owns a depot of VX-gas, a highly deadly gas carried by the wind. There is enough in a single depot to kill half of the USA with one accident that releases the shit, no person with a gun could be that dangerous ever. Almost every war in history was started by governments and they had us die in the millions to fight for a petty cause. Not only that but governments mass-murder their own people and get away with it, the low estimate is 260 Million people have been murdered by their own government in the past century. The number may be much higher since the governments didn't record their deaths. Hitler was democratically elected, do you think it was a good idea for the Jews and the German people to be disarmed?

We even overthrow democracies in order to obtain resources:

The government is the last person that should be armed. The people are the ones that should be armed.
 
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Naive thoughts.

If you take weapons from the people, those with the means to attain them illegally will gain an advantage.

Benjamin Franklin once said "Those who are willing to give up their freedom for security, did not deserve freedom to begin with."

Well said.

I'm ok with a global confiscation of guns but it's way too early for that. Because the most dangerous gangsters are the authorities. As long as the citizens' well being is not a priority, weapons should stay available. Anti-gun laws are not proposed for the safety of the people, but to disarm them so a violent revolution is out of the question.
 

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We live in a world ruled by hypocritical leaders, who constantly preach peace, yet knowingly prepare for war.
The reason they don't prohibit weapons is the same as that of cigarettes.
MONEY
 
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So we can protect ourselves. When someone comes in and threatens your family what do you do? Blast them of course with every improvement on something it will have it's down sides guns aren't the problem cause with or without them people will still kill with knives or even with their bare hands they just need to handle gun distribution properly
 

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Guns were created by cowards, since it's man made they'll feel weak without some sort of weapon/explosion

I agree. You know once I stated how it would be better if the World was like Naruto, and we had swords and kunai as weapons rather than guns and grenades. Swords and Kunai would be much better for self-defence purposes of course and less terrifying than guns and grenades. :rolleyes:

Poverty is the answer.

Poverty is one of the factors. Yah, that's true. :yeah:

But I'm sure you're familiar with this argument: cops can't teleport to where I am to protect me. In fact, the time they take to get to me, say 5 minutes, I probably would have been laid to waste and the criminal would have taken the road already. If I'm dead, all the cops can do is pursue my killer, but how does this benefit me, a dead guy? All too often, especially in the case of break-ins, there is no time to call the cops, only time to defend yourself and your family.

Sorry, what I mean is that if those in authority are loyal, educated and trustworthy, then it would be ideal for them to possess weapons. Along with this, if they establish a legislation on the abolition of weapons and arms, then this would also be effective and thoughtful. Laws and legislation are like bricks. In order to build a suitable and stable place you must get the right bricks which are all the right size but not only this, you need some mortar in order to help you build a perfect and firm place. The mortar in this case, would be the people trying their best in promoting a safe and peaceful haven full of love and justice in which ever way they can so long as it doesn't have side effects.


Those with the authority to enforce laws aren't as goody-two-shoes as you proclaim:

We can't leave responsibility to power hogs, you might say this was a one case scenario, but in truth, police abuse our rights everyday and lose no sleep over it. In countries like Great Britain, not even the cops have guns; armed cops and unarmed civilians is nothing short of a police state.

Thanks for sharing the video. It was quite shocking and has made me realize that the case of corrupt people in authority is among the most bothersome and problematic things to ever exist. It's because of this, that the World is getting ****ed up. U_U

While having a peaceful world is great and all, human nature inevitably brings rise to conflict. I see weapons, when legally bared, as a necessary evil and deterrent. It's unfortunate that the world works that way, though, but that's reality.

Maybe once we start colonizing other planets, we'll see a decrease in overall violence.

Your right, humans natural believe that bringing conflict will bring peace. Well, actually it's not entirely their fault since they all want peace but in their own ways, while the response of those who oppose their methods causes wars to occur. Then I say, that's when the decision of which of the two or more sides is the most rational and just. The people who are civilized and count of bringing peace through love and fairness are the heroes in my eyes and should be in anybody's eyes. People power; that's what democracy is and is about people working together to change the world for the better.

It isn't like there is a Black Walmart where you go to buy illegal goods and the government ignores them. It is a network of smugglers and underground salesmen selling highly profitable good that are not normally available due to government restrictions. There isn't a master plan for the black market, it just exists because a demand exists. During the prohibition the black market was for alcohol and the cops that were busting distilleries by day were drinking at speakeasies at night.

The government is the last people I want armed. They are far more dangerous than any person with a gun. The USA owns a depot of VX-gas, a highly deadly gas carried by the wind. There is enough in a single depot to kill half of the USA with one accident that releases the shit, no person with a gun could be that dangerous ever. Almost every war in history was started by governments and they had us die in the millions to fight for a petty cause. Not only that but governments mass-murder their own people and get away with it, the low estimate is 260 Million people have been murdered by their own government in the past century. The number may be much higher since the governments didn't record their deaths. Hitler was democratically elected, do you think it was a good idea for the Jews and the German people to be disarmed?

We even overthrow democracies in order to obtain resources:

The government is the last person that should be armed. The people are the ones that should be armed.

I understand. It really is unfortunate to know that even those in authority are among the people that spread corruption and instability among our homelands. U_U However, it's never too late to give up my friend. The root cause of this is clearly because of the money in it. But there's no benefit in "dirty money". I feel this should be obvious to most of the intelligent folks. Money can be a really evil thing. It can twist people's minds. I mean it's worse than Kotoamatsukami. :rolleyes: Naw seriously, people need to see through these illusions and wake the **** up. :yeah:

About this VX gas, hasn't it been outlawed by the CWC? :| Damn, this is scary shit. It's not just about the US alone, I mean there are a large handful of countries with weapons of mass destruction. :( Such weapons and equipment are an undeniable atrocity to our world. U_U I didn't know Hitler was elected democratically. I always thought of him as a tyrant who forced his way through the masses and reached the top, only to get cold-blooded revenge. By the way, it depends on how people should be armed when you say you want them to be armed. I would always feel unsafe if people around me were possessing a pistol or assult rifle etc. However, if they possessed a something like a baton or even body armor, it would be much less frightening and smarter, wouldn't you agree? Any object can be considered a weapon if you think about it. :dunno:

We live in a world ruled by hypocritical leaders, who constantly preach peace, yet knowingly prepare for war.
The reason they don't prohibit weapons is the same as that of cigarettes.
MONEY

This is also very true, I agree. Well it's all up to the people as in the general public. Only they can sort things out I guess. Democracy is indeed a good method in politics if you know how to use it. :yeah:

So we can protect ourselves. When someone comes in and threatens your family what do you do? Blast them of course with every improvement on something it will have it's down sides guns aren't the problem cause with or without them people will still kill with knives or even with their bare hands they just need to handle gun distribution properly

My friend, please read my first post correctly. What i'm trying to say is that it doesn't have to be this way. Being on the offensive will not stop conflicts. We shouldn't create illusions by going on the offensive and yet making it seem as if we're on the defensive. This is just like putting a fire out with water alone. However, the truth is that not every fire is extinguished with only water. There are other ways, like using fire retardants. Some fires get extinguished with gas, some with foam or even gel. The point being, all of them help solve the problem. I hope you get the picture bro. :rolleyes:
 

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Idiocy.
The only way for there to be a world without weapons is a world without people.
Make laws against guns. The people will make them so they can defend their homes and their civil liberties. How would the cops enforce those laws if they had no weapons? They couldn't.
In a world without guns people would still kill each other. Try justifying a ban on hammers kitchen knives or gasoline. All basic implements people use daily that can be used to kill people.
Try banning missiles in one country. It would end up getting blown up or invaded by another.
Even without those things try stopping people from beating one another to death.
People will always need to defend themselves. Its nature. We will always fight over resources mates and territory like every other animal in the world. Only difference is we are better at it and more organized.
The people who want to ban weapons are the same imbeciles who cant stomach the fact that everything we have we took. We cut down trees and flatten the earth to build homes.
All of our food came at the expense of some animals life including vegetables.
There will always be some individuals who will try to hurt and steal from you and without a weapon you couldn't stop them.
We all want a step up on the competition. A way to make things easier for us. And all of that was achieved through weapons.
Stop thinking like Darwinism doesn't apply to you. Conflict breeds innovation and evolution. Weapons are one of the greatest examples of that. They're what let us build the world we live in. Don't like it? Go live in the woods without any tools. That's what we would end up as.
 
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