[Theory] Kurama "Sage" Mode won't be possible for now.

[Mr Hiru]

...And the reason is simple. Let me state the facts:

- Chakra can be produced when the user makes balance between Spiritual and Physical Energy.

- Senjutsu users can use Senjutsu skills when they merge Spiritual, Physical and Natural Energy.

- Naruto is able to enter Sage Mode in his normal state, he uses his own Spiritual, Physical and surroundings Natural Energy.

BUT...

Yin: Spiritual Energy
Yang: Phyisical Energy

Naruto has the Yang part of Kurama only! That's the reason Naruto can't enter Sage Mode in his Kurama Chakra Mode!

He won't be able to balance Yin with Yang since when KCM is active, his Yang levels grows too high compared with his current Yin levels.

The only way for Naruto to be able to use KCM and Sage Mode at same time is with Yin Kurama. So, I'm expecting that the next powerup for Naruto is the Yin half of Kurama.

Minato, hurry up!

 

[UchihaKira]

Bm/Sm Naruto will be one of the more epic powerups weve seen in a while imo. If it happens Im hyped to see what it will look like. Im already hyped to see more dark kurama too

Edit: Maybe if he could use sage mode while in a complete bijuu mode it would essentially be Kurama with sage mode eyes hahaha that would be pretty cool.

 

[GreyWizard93]

I wanted to make a thread on this. =(

Naruto will merge the two like he did when he first saw nagato. (Which was then, very brief)

 

[GreyWizard93]

Bm/Sm Naruto will be one of the more epic powerups weve seen in a while imo. If it happens Im hyped to see what it will look like. Im already hyped to see more dark kurama too

Edit: Maybe if he could use sage mode while in a complete bijuu mode it would essentially be Kurama with sage mode eyes hahaha that would be pretty cool.

Minato has a gift which is kuramas other half, naruto does need a new form of power/enhancement, kishi wouldn't of shown the mix without it having some form of meaning.

It makes sense that this is the next thing he can do and it won't be rasengan 1 handed but maybe rasenshuriken too.

 

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[TaBaYo]

Minato has a gift which is kuramas other half, naruto does need a new form of power/enhancement, kishi wouldn't of shown the mix without it having some form of meaning.

It makes sense that this is the next thing he can do and it won't be rasengan 1 handed but maybe rasenshuriken too.

What if the gift is not the other half but something different? People have just been speculating what the gift might be but you know, Kishi can troll everybody.

 

[Mr Hiru]

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Lol your thread is more graphical. Nice work in there!

 

[trucker]

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[osba]

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[Hori]

Well if that is true then Naruto's trump card is to assimilate his yin half

 

[trucker]

you have no right to claim this <:

Claim what? That's my thread from yesterday. My theory in that thread is an appropriate response to this thread. I even stated in my thread that I didn't know if there were other like it that came before it, but it was a theory of mine that came without finding other threads so I did not steal your thread.

My theory is more along the lines that Kurama will be acting as the little married toad sages did for Jiraya, as a constant source of nature chakra.

 

[Sot6p]

That's true... In my opinion, at least.

But how Naruto did it when facing Nagato?

 

[Aenigma]

What if the gift is not the other half but something different? People have just been speculating what the gift might be but you know, Kishi can troll everybody.

Yeah but considering what was said at the end of this weeks chapter and where the story is going with the use of senjutsu (meaning, the power up discussed in this thread is a pretty logical next step) I'm willing to say pretty certainly that the gift is in fact the other portion of Kurama.

 

[Honord Sage]

...And the reason is simple. Let me state the facts:

- Chakra can be produced when the user makes balance between Spiritual and Physical Energy.

- Senjutsu users can use Senjutsu skills when they merge Spiritual, Physical and Natural Energy.

- Naruto is able to enter Sage Mode in his normal state, he uses his own Spiritual, Physical and surroundings Natural Energy.

BUT...

Yin: Spiritual Energy
Yang: Phyisical Energy

Naruto has the Yang part of Kurama only! That's the reason Naruto can't enter Sage Mode in his Kurama Chakra Mode!

He won't be able to balance Yin with Yang since when KCM is active, his Yang levels grows too high compared with his current Yin levels.

The only way for Naruto to be able to use KCM and Sage Mode at same time is with Yin Kurama. So, I'm expecting that the next powerup for Naruto is the Yin half of Kurama.

Minato, hurry up!

Yes I believe the Same, And it will be different Kurama would then take the place of Ma and Pa on Jiraiya shoulders producing the Sage Chakra for Naruto. Super Sage Mode.

 

[Senju Bean]

I wonder, how did Hashirama activate SM? Isn't he mostly Yang chakra by virtue of being Senju?

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

Naruto does have a little bit of kuramas yin, or all of it.
The yin half was sealed, yes. But in each half, there is a majority and a minority. Like, there is a dot of yin in the yang half.

Without that yin, he would not be able to use a tbb, as it requires both light and dark energy.
Some say that the yin has just came back over time. This may be true, but I hope that the yin available to naruto is just the dot.

So, he can use kyuubi sage mode. Ksm. It will just be nothing in comparasin to the ksm if he had all kuramas chakra

 

[hearteaterx]

Naruto used BM (tailed beast mode) with sage mode already, via shadow clones. He fought the other tailed beasts in BM, while his clone went sage mode and discovered the location of all the chakra rods controlling them. Reread chapter 571 if you don't believe it.

If he can use tailed beast mode while his clone uses sage mode, it makes 0 sense that Naruto would get a massive increase in strength by using both 'modes' without clones.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Naruto does have a little bit of kuramas yin, or all of it.
The yin half was sealed, yes. But in each half, there is a majority and a minority. Like, there is a dot of yin in the yang half.

Without that yin, he would not be able to use a tbb, as it requires both light and dark energy.
Some say that the yin has just came back over time. This may be true, but I hope that the yin available to naruto is just the dot.

So, he can use kyuubi sage mode. Ksm. It will just be nothing in comparasin to the ksm if he had all kuramas chakra

You're right, that's the Taoism theory. Yin: large yin, small yang, and viceversa.

But even if that applies to Yang Kurama, his "small" yin is still too small, the unbalance is too strong for Naruto being able to have any kind of control over it.

It quite explains why Ma and Pa weren't able to collect chakra from Naruto's shoulders, even them having more experience than Naruto.

Naruto used BM (tailed beast mode) with sage mode already, via shadow clones. He fought the other tailed beasts in BM, while his clone went sage mode and discovered the location of all the chakra rods controlling them. Reread chapter 571 if you don't believe it.

If he can use tailed beast mode while his clone uses sage mode, it makes 0 sense that Naruto would get a massive increase in strength by using both 'modes' without clones.

Your statement makes no sense since these were completely different entities of Naruto.

 

[FearxDeath]

Well thought it and it makes sense but I disgree simply for the fact that I dont think SM and BM are possible at the same time.

Chakra = Mixing Yang and Yin Energies

SM = Adding Senjutsu to the mix of Yang and Yin Energy

KCM/BM = Mixing Kyubi Chakra with Naruto Chakra

With this we see that to even start using SM you need to be working with Energies, while to use KCM/BM you need to be working with Chakra, but if your using Chakra you have already past the point of using SM.

Its possible still if he tries to do it while in SM but that may be risky as if he cant balance it out he will end up like one of the stone toads, and I just flat out dont think its viable. He could also be in KCM then reverse summon a SM Clone, that may work but the balance may not be their. I just dont like the idea of KCM + SM, but no matter how dumb it is if Kishi wants it to happen then plot will make it happen... sigh

 

[Mr Hiru]

Well thought it and it makes sense but I disgree simply for the fact that I dont think SM and BM are possible at the same time.

Chakra = Mixing Yang and Yin Energies

SM = Adding Senjutsu to the mix of Yang and Yin Energy

KCM/BM = Mixing Kyubi Chakra with Naruto Chakra

With this we see that to even start using SM you need to be working with Energies, while to use KCM/BM you need to be working with Chakra, but if your using Chakra you have already past the point of using SM.

Its possible still if he tries to do it while in SM but that may be risky as if he cant balance it out he will end up like one of the stone toads, and I just flat out dont think its viable. He could also be in KCM then reverse summon a SM Clone, that may work but the balance may not be their. I just dont like the idea of KCM + SM, but no matter how dumb it is if Kishi wants it to happen then plot will make it happen... sigh

Actually, this is a foreshadow that tells us about Naruto, even with Yang AND Yin Kurama, won't be strong enough to reach Obito's current power levels... because until now the only proof is that Sage Mode deals damage to Obito, and Naruto doesn't have enough speed to reach Obito by his own means...

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