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pain(Nagato) has never lost a battle
Threads like these always turn into flame wars so I'll just
say the following. A. The point of the thread is discussing
whether or not Nagato is undefeated. It's not about
hypothetical battles such as if Nagato fought X. The topic is
a discussion of whether or not Nagato was canonically
defeated in the title. B. He was not. Nagato [unlike Pain
oddly enough] has never lost a single battle. I will now
explain why people who believe this are justified in doing so
by the canon itself. 1) While it is true that Jiraiya could
have defeated Pain if he knew Pain's secret, it is highly
unlikely that he would have been able to defeat Nagato as
Nagato could control life and death. 2) Naruto was able to
defeat Pain only because of the following: Konoha had intel
on Pain's abilities, the entire village fought Pain, Naruto
fought Pain, and it was only after Minato's divine
intervention that Naruto was able to defeat Pain and even
then he was just barely able to do it. Naruto was in no
condition to fight Nagato after the battle was finished given
that he would have to deal with Konan in addition to the
multitude of abilities that Nagato did not make manifest
during their battle. Also, do recall that Nagato's aim was
never to kill Naruto, not even as Pain, but to capture him.
3) On every forum, every member of the Uchiha army pretends
that Edo Itachi easily defeated Edo Nagato. This is not true.
For starters Itachi had help from Killer Bee and Sennin Mode
Naruto. Also, Nagato warned Itachi, Naruto, and Bee every
time he was going to use a technique. He even told them how
to either counter or avoid them. Also bear in mind that
Kabuto was controlling Nagato while being ignorant of many of
Nagato's abilities such as the Rinnegan's field of vision and
the creation of other Paths. And when Nagato was defeated,
Itachi himself stated that the technique he used was a
gamble. It might have defeated Nagato. It might not. All he
could do was try it and his plan succeeded. 4) And finally,
the line Obito > Nagato should never appear on any forum
anywhere. With the Rinnegan, Sharingan, and the Juubi, Obito
couldn't defeat Sennin Mode Naruto or Killer Bee. Granted he
also had to fight Kakashi and Gai but let's put things in
perspective. Killer Bee and Sennin Mode Naruto were fresh
when they fought Nagato and within only a moves they both
were in dire strains as they were nearly killed. So
canonically, no, Nagato has never been defeated. Now if this
were a versus thread sure. We could say that Hashirama,
Madara, and Rikudou would probably beat Nagato. But this
isn't a versus thread is it? While I applaud everyone for
repping their favorite characters, adopting a more objective
approach to these topics will at least make you appear more
rational even if it's not a facet of your overall mental
state.
Threads like these always turn into flame wars so I'll just
say the following. A. The point of the thread is discussing
whether or not Nagato is undefeated. It's not about
hypothetical battles such as if Nagato fought X. The topic is
a discussion of whether or not Nagato was canonically
defeated in the title. B. He was not. Nagato [unlike Pain
oddly enough] has never lost a single battle. I will now
explain why people who believe this are justified in doing so
by the canon itself. 1) While it is true that Jiraiya could
have defeated Pain if he knew Pain's secret, it is highly
unlikely that he would have been able to defeat Nagato as
Nagato could control life and death. 2) Naruto was able to
defeat Pain only because of the following: Konoha had intel
on Pain's abilities, the entire village fought Pain, Naruto
fought Pain, and it was only after Minato's divine
intervention that Naruto was able to defeat Pain and even
then he was just barely able to do it. Naruto was in no
condition to fight Nagato after the battle was finished given
that he would have to deal with Konan in addition to the
multitude of abilities that Nagato did not make manifest
during their battle. Also, do recall that Nagato's aim was
never to kill Naruto, not even as Pain, but to capture him.
3) On every forum, every member of the Uchiha army pretends
that Edo Itachi easily defeated Edo Nagato. This is not true.
For starters Itachi had help from Killer Bee and Sennin Mode
Naruto. Also, Nagato warned Itachi, Naruto, and Bee every
time he was going to use a technique. He even told them how
to either counter or avoid them. Also bear in mind that
Kabuto was controlling Nagato while being ignorant of many of
Nagato's abilities such as the Rinnegan's field of vision and
the creation of other Paths. And when Nagato was defeated,
Itachi himself stated that the technique he used was a
gamble. It might have defeated Nagato. It might not. All he
could do was try it and his plan succeeded. 4) And finally,
the line Obito > Nagato should never appear on any forum
anywhere. With the Rinnegan, Sharingan, and the Juubi, Obito
couldn't defeat Sennin Mode Naruto or Killer Bee. Granted he
also had to fight Kakashi and Gai but let's put things in
perspective. Killer Bee and Sennin Mode Naruto were fresh
when they fought Nagato and within only a moves they both
were in dire strains as they were nearly killed. So
canonically, no, Nagato has never been defeated. Now if this
were a versus thread sure. We could say that Hashirama,
Madara, and Rikudou would probably beat Nagato. But this
isn't a versus thread is it? While I applaud everyone for
repping their favorite characters, adopting a more objective
approach to these topics will at least make you appear more
rational even if it's not a facet of your overall mental
state.
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