[Discussion] Evil Kurama! Good Kurama!

[arv86]

Yin and Yang makes reference to Spiritual (Mind, Knowledge) and Physical (Body, Instincts) Energy.

The Yin part being held by Minato is far more intelligent than the Yang inside Naruto, which was mostly driven by emotions.

Good and Evil? It could be, but the whole Yin Yang thing was already explained in the chapters of the Sage.

I agree with you. The yang part i.e body is still attached to the material world or is emotional while the spiritual part or yin is devoid of emotions and is more rational.

The fact that Naruto's remark could stir up emotions in Yin Kurama is what is shown on the last page. I think the Yin Kurama will bring a lot of knowledge and strategic thinking to Kurama as a whole.

 

[nite]

sorta but yin = darkness, minato sealed the dark Kurama in him, the other translation was naruto's speech even moved him.

 

[hunk143]

Yeah! That's what i was trying to say you all. Yin & Yang! XD

 

[Meowazziel]

So yang is evil? I dont think so.

I dont think there was a good and an evil Kurama.
They were both losing faith and gained hatred for humans.
Two evil Kurama's so to speak, if you want to use the word evil.

Now both are gaining faith in humanity again or at least in Naruto.

Yin is darkness, so that is why the yin Kurama is black I think (or for cool effects =D).

Maybe Yin Kurama has other abilities indeed.
Would be cool.

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

I am curious as to how Minato will go about giving the chakra to Naruto (if he will at all) seeing as he is currently unable to form the necessary hand seals to utilize sealing techniques. The blatant closeup of Sasuke in the very next scene after having heard that the edo tensei can die all leaves me wondering a few things. Is it possible that Sasuke may receive the yin chakra? Will he be a facilitator of Naruto's receiving of the yin chakra?

The interesting aspects are in the things that are not being said.

 

[Fireplay]

Doesn't matter if this is good or evil Kurama. Naruto will make him his b!tch.

 

[abister90]

I am curious as to how Minato will go about giving the chakra to Naruto (if he will at all) seeing as he is currently unable to form the necessary hand seals to utilize sealing techniques. The blatant closeup of Sasuke in the very next scene after having heard that the edo tensei can die all leaves me wondering a few things. Is it possible that Sasuke may receive the yin chakra? Will he be a facilitator of Naruto's receiving of the yin chakra?

The interesting aspects are in the things that are not being said.

Perhaps Minato can make chakra hands like Naruto can to do the technique.

 

[boshans]

Well..minatos half of kurama really said "that was quite the touching speech your son just gave there...minato. enough to move even this half of me." So yea, he's talking about himself, not the kurama that's already in naruto.

Also, I don't know where you came up with minato's kurama having different abilities than naruto's...it's the same bijuu. They both have the same abilities, since, you know, they're the same being.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Well..minatos half of kurama really said "that was quite the touching speech your son just gave there...minato. enough to move even this half of me." So yea, he's talking about himself, not the kurama that's already in naruto.

Also, I don't know where you came up with minato's kurama having different abilities than naruto's...it's the same bijuu. They both have the same abilities, since, you know, they're the same being.

Debatible. The concept of Yin and Yang was already explained in the Creation of All Things chapters (Tobi vs Konan? Kage Summit? When Tobi was captured by Yamato/Kakashi/Naruto?).

Yang = Body, Instincts, Life, Physical Energy, Physical Based Ninjutsu [Wind, Water, Earth], Taijutsu => Younger Son

Yin = Mind, Knowledge, Imagination, Spiritual Energy, Energy Based Ninjutsu [Fire, Lightning], Genjutsu => Elder Son

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Yang Kurama (Inside Naruto): Naruto can heal faster (life), Naruto's survival instincts are way more developed, Naruto's stamina is incredible high, KCM Naruto can awake (give life to) Mokuton from Earth + Water just like Hashirama (from the Younger Son's Branch), Past Yang Kurama was easily driven by emotions instead of logic, wanting to take over Naruto's Body, Naruto's elemental affinity is Wind, Hashirama's elemental affinity is earth and water.

Yin Kurama (Inside Minato): We don't know much about him, but he clearly saw that it was just revived along with Minato and Minato was already using KCM and was moved by Naruto speech, a clear sign of insight and intelligence.

This explains too why Naruto isn't that smart and why Naruto doesn't have affinity for Genjutsu based techniques... because the abilities to create things from nothingness (allucinations) belongs to the Yin branch.

 

[boshans]

Debatible. The concept of Yin and Yang was already explained in the Creation of All Things chapters (Tobi vs Konan? Kage Summit? When Tobi was captured by Yamato/Kakashi/Naruto?).

Yang = Body, Instincts, Life, Physical Energy, Physical Based Ninjutsu [Wind, Water, Earth], Taijutsu => Younger Son

Yin = Mind, Knowledge, Imagination, Spiritual Energy, Energy Based Ninjutsu [Fire, Lightning], Genjutsu => Elder Son

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Yang Kurama (Inside Naruto): Naruto can heal faster (life), Naruto's survival instincts are way more developed, Naruto's stamina is incredible high, KCM Naruto can awake Mokuton from Earth + Water just like Hashirama (from the Younger Son's Branch), Past Yang Kurama was driven by emotions, wanting to take over Naruto's Body, Naruto's elemental affinity is Wind, Hashirama's elemental affinity is earth and water.

Yin Kurama (Inside Minato): We don't know much about him, but he clearly saw that it was just revived along with Minato and Minato was already using KCM and was moved by Naruto speech, a clear sign of insight and intelligence.

This explains too why Naruto isn't that smart and why Naruto doesn't have affinity for Genjutsu based techniques... because the abilities to create things from nothingness (allucinations) belongs to the Yin branch.

Good points, I kind of agree actually. The only reason I really don't fully agree is because I still don't believe that minato sealed the yang half into naruto and yin into himself. If you go back to the chapter where minato sealed the kyuubi, he never himself said he is going to seal yang into naruto and yin into himself. All he said was he'll seal half of kyuubi chakra into naruto, because there was to much total chakra, and the other half into himself. Jiraiya, right before he fought pain when he was talking to the frog with the key to naruto's seal, was the one who said the yin/yang part. How jiraiya would know this since he wasn't there when minato did it, I don't know. That's why I don't know if I agree with the sealing yin/yang differently.

I always thought the way naruto looks in kcm and his chakra arms was because he only had the yang, and that was the one thing keeping me believing jiraiyas statement was correct, but look at obito's chakra arms when he destroys the four crimson ray barrier. They look exactly like naruto's, but obito has the entire juubi in him. So really I think it just has to do with the seal naruto has now, that's why he looks the way he does, the seal is more rikudou than anyone else's, obito most likely used a rikudou seal also.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Good points, I kind of agree actually. The only reason I really don't fully agree is because I still don't believe that minato sealed the yang half into naruto and yin into himself. If you go back to the chapter where minato sealed the kyuubi, he never himself said he is going to seal yang into naruto and yin into himself. All he said was he'll seal half of kyuubi chakra into naruto, because there was to much total chakra, and the other half into himself. Jiraiya, right before he fought pain when he was talking to the frog with the key to naruto's seal, was the one who said the yin/yang part. How jiraiya would know this since he wasn't there when minato did it, I don't know. That's why I don't know if I agree with the sealing yin/yang differently.

I always thought the way naruto looks in kcm and his chakra arms was because he only had the yang, and that was the one thing keeping me believing jiraiyas statement was correct, but look at obito's chakra arms when he destroys the four crimson ray barrier. They look exactly like naruto's, but obito has the entire juubi in him. So really I think it just has to do with the seal naruto has now, that's why he looks the way he does, the seal is more rikudou than anyone else's, obito most likely used a rikudou seal also.

These doubts you have are quite interesting, I was asking myself some time ago when I made the theory about the Juubi and the Bijuus. I have a "possible" answer...

Obito still lacks the entire Hachibi and the entire Kyuubi, and furthermore... Obito doesn't only have seven complete bijuus inside...

He has the entire Yang of the Former Juubi, the Gedou Mazou (The Embodiment). In this precise moment Obito is mainly a Yang entity, just like Naruto (reason of why Obito's mind couldn't adapt to the Juubi in the first stage of transformation).

This quite explains that bolded phrase.

 

[boshans]

These doubts you have are quite interesting, I was asking myself some time ago when I made the theory about the Juubi and the Bijuus. I have a "possible" answer...

Obito still lacks the entire Hachibi and the entire Kyuubi, and furthermore... Obito doesn't only have seven complete bijuus inside...

He has the entire Yang of the Former Juubi, the Gedou Mazou (The Embodiment). In this precise moment Obito is mainly a Yang entity, just like Naruto (reason of why Obito's mind couldn't adapt to the Juubi in the first stage of transformation).

This quite explains that bolded phrase.

I was thinking about him only having some of the hachibi and kyuubi also, and maybe that is why, but I don't know. Even if he only has parts of them, he would have the yin and yang from both, because bee obviously had both yin and yang, and remember, obito got kyuubi chakra from the kin/gin brothers who had full yin/yang kyuubi. So he would have yin and yang from all 9 bijuus...I don't know about the gedo though, it was the embodiment yeah...but that was only when it was a shell. It turned into the real juubi though, which would make it both yin and yang again. I don't know, there's not enough information really to come to a conclusive answer I think.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I was thinking about him only having some of the hachibi and kyuubi also, and maybe that is why, but I don't know. Even if he only has parts of them, he would have the yin and yang from both, because bee obviously had both yin and yang, and remember, obito got kyuubi chakra from the kin/gin brothers who had full yin/yang kyuubi. So he would have yin and yang from all 9 bijuus...I don't know about the gedo though, it was the embodiment yeah...but that was only when it was a shell. It turned into the real juubi though, which would make it both yin and yang again. I don't know, there's not enough information really to come to a conclusive answer I think.

The principle of Taoism states that Yin is Yin and Yang, and Yang is Yin and Yang, but each one are not balanced (Yin is a large yin and a small yang, while Yang is a large Yang and a small Yin). When these two complementary forces cooperates, the true balance can be achieved...

This is quite the same thing that appears in the Uchiha tablet.

Yang = Body = Embodiment.

that's the trick behind my theory:

When the Sage separated the Juubi in 10 parts, he created Nine Tailed Beasts and The Embodiment, with the "Creation of All Things" Jutsu.

The beasts were the Yin (large Yin and smaller Yang), Gedou Mazou the Yang (large Yang and smaller Yin).

- The reason the beasts can only be sealed inside people with a strong lifeforce is because the beasts are mainly Yin entities, and their purpose is to reach balance.

- The reason a Jinchuuriki dies when the beast is extracted is because when the beast leaves the embodiment, the lifeforce is extracted too due the beast tending to mantain balance.

- This explains too why the Uzumaki Clan was living in a village known as the Village of Longetivity, Uzushiogakure... the people had way too high lifeforce. Mito and Kushina survived the extraction of Kurama, and each time Kurama was extracted, Kurama's Yang Energy Increased since it was extracted from it's previous Jinchuuriki.

- The Yang half of Kurama (the result of two extractions, from Kushina and Mito) was inserted in Naruto, so Naruto's growth exceeded in Yang abilities. The unbalance induced too a lack on his Yin abilities.

Take a breath and analyze this theory. You'll notice that it is consistent with the events that have been happening since the start of the manga.

 

[H a n]

Hm... It might be like when Naruto was going against his darkside. ?

 

[Mr Hiru]

Hm... It might be like when Naruto was going against his darkside. ?

Quite like that, my friend. The case of Yang Kurama is totally the opposite to the Yin beasts, since Yang Kurama searches for the opposite to mantain balance, this is, Yin.

Dark Naruto = Yin.

Yin is darkness, the femenine, the imagination, the mind.

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Dark Naruto has more insight than the Naruto we know, Dark Naruto was the Darkness, The Yin that Yang Kurama was searching for.

Well, the thing is...

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That quite explains why Kurama didn't detect "the trueself" of the Jinchuuriki when Naruto fought Kurama.

Kurama was very interested in the Dark Side of Naruto, the original Yin that resided inside him, the one who built hatred in the chapter 1 of Part 1.

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The one hidden in the darkness, the one who wasn't aknowledged until Naruto confronted him in the Falls of Truth.

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Look what a mindless bird can do when it have 'instincts' (Yang):

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[Crt]

Debatible. The concept of Yin and Yang was already explained in the Creation of All Things chapters (Tobi vs Konan? Kage Summit? When Tobi was captured by Yamato/Kakashi/Naruto?).

Yang = Body, Instincts, Life, Physical Energy, Physical Based Ninjutsu [Wind, Water, Earth], Taijutsu => Younger Son

Yin = Mind, Knowledge, Imagination, Spiritual Energy, Energy Based Ninjutsu [Fire, Lightning], Genjutsu => Elder Son

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Yang Kurama (Inside Naruto): Naruto can heal faster (life), Naruto's survival instincts are way more developed, Naruto's stamina is incredible high, KCM Naruto can awake (give life to) Mokuton from Earth + Water just like Hashirama (from the Younger Son's Branch), Past Yang Kurama was easily driven by emotions instead of logic, wanting to take over Naruto's Body, Naruto's elemental affinity is Wind, Hashirama's elemental affinity is earth and water.

Yin Kurama (Inside Minato): We don't know much about him, but he clearly saw that it was just revived along with Minato and Minato was already using KCM and was moved by Naruto speech, a clear sign of insight and intelligence.

This explains too why Naruto isn't that smart and why Naruto doesn't have affinity for Genjutsu based techniques... because the abilities to create things from nothingness (allucinations) belongs to the Yin branch.

I think you just won the Internet for today.

Repping you! (#^____^)/

 

[hearteaterx]

It would be so funny if this 'dark' Kurama thinks about Madara, then says he would rather be controlled by someone like that than someone like Naruto?

It's not going to happen obviously, the Kurama Minato has will probably side with Naruto, and when Minato sees his dying wish is fulfilled (his son mastering the 9 tails chakra and fighting the masked guy...) his soul can find peace and be released.

 

[Mr Hiru]

It would be so funny if this 'dark' Kurama thinks about Madara, then says he would rather be controlled by someone like that than someone like Naruto?

It's not going to happen obviously, the Kurama Minato has will probably side with Naruto, and when Minato sees his dying wish is fulfilled (his son mastering the 9 tails chakra and fighting the masked guy...) his soul can find peace and be released.

Touching. I guess you have the great point of what I would like to happen.

 

[grenwood]

I am curious as to how Minato will go about giving the chakra to Naruto (if he will at all) seeing as he is currently unable to form the necessary hand seals to utilize sealing techniques. The blatant closeup of Sasuke in the very next scene after having heard that the edo tensei can die all leaves me wondering a few things. Is it possible that Sasuke may receive the yin chakra? Will he be a facilitator of Naruto's receiving of the yin chakra?

The interesting aspects are in the things that are not being said.

minato can do hand seals. he just has to use chackra arms. he probably doesnt know about them but naruto does and can tell him if the need arises which it should soon.

 

[grenwood]

The principle of Taoism states that Yin is Yin and Yang, and Yang is Yin and Yang, but each one are not balanced (Yin is a large yin and a small yang, while Yang is a large Yang and a small Yin). When these two complementary forces cooperates, the true balance can be achieved...

This is quite the same thing that appears in the Uchiha tablet.

Yang = Body = Embodiment.

that's the trick behind my theory:

When the Sage separated the Juubi in 10 parts, he created Nine Tailed Beasts and The Embodiment, with the "Creation of All Things" Jutsu.

The beasts were the Yin (large Yin and smaller Yang), Gedou Mazou the Yang (large Yang and smaller Yin).

- The reason the beasts can only be sealed inside people with a strong lifeforce is because the beasts are mainly Yin entities, and their purpose is to reach balance.

- The reason a Jinchuuriki dies when the beast is extracted is because when the beast leaves the embodiment, the lifeforce is extracted too due the beast tending to mantain balance.

- This explains too why the Uzumaki Clan was living in a village known as the Village of Longetivity, Uzushiogakure... the people had way too high lifeforce. Mito and Kushina survived the extraction of Kurama, and each time Kurama was extracted, Kurama's Yang Energy Increased since it was extracted from it's previous Jinchuuriki.

- The Yang half of Kurama (the result of two extractions, from Kushina and Mito) was inserted in Naruto, so Naruto's growth exceeded in Yang abilities. The unbalance induced too a lack on his Yin abilities.

Take a breath and analyze this theory. You'll notice that it is consistent with the events that have been happening since the start of the manga.

you need to turn this post into a thread. you have a great theory and it will most likely turn out to be right.