I understand where he's coming from though
Ma and Pa are an integral peice when arguing and should have been expelicity restricted to avoid any confusion
Sorry, looking at it further Naruto should by all means be able to summon Ma and Pa. Ma herself proved that the ritual isn't needed to summon at least Fukusaku, the DB says it "takes the place of" in other words is a substitute of a summoning contract, Jiraiya most likely didn't have the reserves to summon them both.
Sorry, looking at it further Naruto should by all means be able to summon Ma and Pa. Ma herself proved that the ritual isn't needed to summon at least Fukusaku, the DB says it "takes the place of" in other words is a substitute of a summoning contract, Jiraiya most likely didn't have the reserves to summon them both.
I find it pretty plausible that one of the sages should be able to summon the other, not to mention Jiraiya performed a special blood ritual, Shima was probably an exception ...
Also, Jiraiya never used the seals for a Summoning Jutsu, so we know it was a special version.
I find it pretty plausible that one of the sages should be able to summon the other, not to mention Jiraiya performed a special blood ritual, Shima was probably an exception ...
Also, Jiraiya never used the seals for a Summoning Jutsu, so we know it was a special version.
We need to note that Naruto himself is a "perfect" Sage in comparison to Jiraya. The notion one Sage can't summon another seems illogical.
Most probably a special version to compensate for his own weaknesses. For all we know, the level of this summoning technique might've been too high for him.
We need to note that Naruto himself is a "perfect" Sage in comparison to Jiraya. The notion one Sage can't summon another seems illogical.
Most probably a special version to compensate for his own weaknesses. For all we know, the level of this summoning technique might've been too high for him.
The fact remains that someone who could summon Bunta without problems, had to go through all that just to summon the two sages. As the DB says, summoning those two sages requires that ritual, while I agree that Shima could summon Fukusaku without problems and that's fishy, I don't think a regular person can do it without the ritual.
@bold those words are taboo in debates, we can't assume that.
I would assume that the reason he put his hands together was to build up chakra.
I'm sure it was a regular one, either way, it doesn't matter.
We need to note that Naruto himself is a "perfect" Sage in comparison to Jiraya. The notion one Sage can't summon another seems illogical.
Most probably a special version to compensate for his own weaknesses. For all we know, the level of this summoning technique might've been too high for him.
The new chapter also confirms that Shima and Fukasaku aren't the only toads that can use Senjutsu, as Gamakichi has just shown it. Hence if he can summon Gamakichi, able to use Sage Mode, he can most definitely summon Shima and Fukasaku.
The new chapter also confirms that Shima and Fukasaku aren't the only toads that can use Senjutsu, as Gamakichi has just shown it. Hence if he can summon Gamakichi, able to use Sage Mode, he can most definitely summon Shima and Fukasaku.
Please elaborate on this... The manga clearly shows that you have to keep your body completely still to gather Senjutsu chakra, Jiraiya was running all over the place, even using a barrier technique, only keeping his hands together like they were glued.
Frikid, you were the first one to mention Naruto can replenish SM, which basically makes FRS spammable. Regardless of Naruto’s intel, I doubt he’d be able to stop Kirin, since Dragon Flame tech is practically unstoppable once it’s fired, nature will do the rest.
I’m not going into a lot of detail, since your post was ridiculously long, but you were basically wrong about many things. For exempel, I don’t see any way how hawks can’t fly properly during rain, or how Gaara’s sand broke through Madara’s Susano’o while he really just used the sand at his feet to drag him out.
Near the end you propose a scenario where 900 clones attack Sasuke simultaneously, while I assume they’ll be using some form of Rasengan, which is a melee move, 900 Naruto’s can not simultaneously attack Sasuke, they would just end up buying time for Kirin to form.
I haven’t mentioned this yet, because I wanted to save it for last...
I’ve been in this situation myself as well, in the precieus tourney.
I’m personally siding with Susano’o here, Naruto can not summon Ma and Pa.
Summoning these two requires a long ritual of keeping your hands together in order to summon them, not to mention once the ritual was complete, Jiraiya was already fused with the sages, something Naruto can not do.
Furthermore, Naruto has never summoned these two on-panel, and we’ve never had any indication that Naruto had recieved training for it, regardless of the fact that Fukusaku tried to merge with Naruto.
DOT, you proved how Naruto had a near infinite supply of Senjutsu chakra, and therefore was able to spam his arsenaal to pressure Sasuke, and taking advantage of his limited chakra and eyesight.
However, you never truly countered Kirin, which was what team Susano’o started with, you instead focused on making the match last in order to exhaust Sasuke, and take him down using Naruto’s durability. You also put a lot of emphasis on Ma and Pa, who turned out, weren’t part of Naruto’s arsenal after all.
Frikid, you were the first one to mention Naruto can replenish SM, which basically makes FRS spammable. Regardless of Naruto’s intel, I doubt he’d be able to stop Kirin, since Dragon Flame tech is practically unstoppable once it’s fired, nature will do the rest.
Sasuke has to go to a higher point to be able to use kirin.
This is why solo made sasuke summon the hawk, so that he can reach higher latitude and use kirin.
My argument was that, along with thunder, comes the rain. Have you seen birds fly in the rain? Obviously, the wings of a bird gets wet and it makes it uneasy for birds to fly in the rain.
its really surprising(and funny as well) that you think rain has no effect on flying birds.
And Regarding the gaara's sand argument,
Gaara used his sand from both, outside and inside. its clear in the manga, gaara pulled madara right out of his susano and this feat is impossible to achieve if gaara sand didn't breakthrough susano.
He can't pull madara out of his susano without breaking his susano.
900 Naruto’s can not simultaneously attack Sasuke,
and why is that? i want to know.
Regarding the naruto summoning ma and pa thing, as i have explained in my argument, there is no point of pa to learn fusing with naruto, if naruto can't even summon him.
Thats like saying, a guy with hydrophobia is buying a swimming costume. (either the guy isn't hydrophobic or he is just plain dumb)
I would not say anything more than that, since there isn't need to.
I appreciate and respect what the judges have to say about my arguments but this is ... (no comments :| )
i would say you have few a misconceptions,though.
Despite my own disagreements on Puppet Masters verdict, within these matches there is way to much arguing with the judges. Its fine to state your case on why you think the judge is wrong, but its not going to change the outcome. So I don't see why people get into these long winded arguments with them. They're judges for a reason and should be left to do what they're here for. I know some of you just accept the ruling without fuss but thats beggining to be the exception instead of the rule.
