SM users are immune/impervious to Juubito's Onmyouton

[raziel777]

With a gun , you have more chance at beating a lion than an unarmed man.

SM Naruto can't defeat Juubito in 1vs1 , but him+ the FTG of Tobirama can give him a run for his money , well if he uses his Rinnegan , its another story but he appears to have it just for show.

And what make mater worse , is that you want the SM users to be invincible to the Onmyouton.

We have already 2 SM users here ( Hashirama and Naruto ) and 2 others potential SM users ( Tobirama and Minato ) , not to forget the toads.

Thank God you aren't Kishi.

... You are.. You make it seem like onmyouton is all Obito has..

Well, I'm me and and I'm fine with that.

 

[Ahmed1993]

... You are.. You make it seem like onmyouton is all Obito has..

Well, I'm me and and I'm fine with that.

You know what ? lets stop bickering and wait for what Kishi does.

 

[raziel777]

@Ahmed
This thread is pointing out that the SM abilities weren't instantly made null and void by the black orbs. The speculation here is that since individuals in SM have that same charka around them constantly, they won't be dismantled by the black orbs ONLY. You have yet to provide proof that this isn't the case. You've just made opinion based excuses as to why you don't feel like it should work. Based on the logic and the evidence shown by SM techs not being obliterated instantly, this is very plausible. Until you can provide an actual counter argument as to why, there is no reason not to believe the bases of this thread.

@OP/OT
I feel this is a very sound hypothesis, and might be the what forces Obito to show some other ability.

Thank you for trying to understand the point of the thread. I was starting to get fed up of saying the same things over and over..

Yeah, I think it would be cool for Obito to show new abilities. I think the black orb is a way for Kishi to put the Edos on equal footing with the living Ninjas since now they can "die". But now it's time to show new stuff

 

[Draxus]

Juubito's ability also seems to be able erase matter as well, like Minato's kunai.

Just because it can't nullify senjutsu doesn't mean it can't break through it, after he did block Gamabuta's attack.

 

[raziel777]

Juubito's ability also seems to be able erase matter as well, like Minato's kunai.

Just because it can't nullify senjutsu doesn't mean it can't break through it, after he did block Gamabuta's attack.

My point is that if he tries to hit a SM user, the black stuff's "erase" property won't work

 

[Senju Bean]

Doesn't matter. Juubito could turn the entire contenent they are standing on into a nuclear wasteland at a whim. He's just toying with them.

 

[NarutoKage2]

not really, SM isnt a layer per se, its more of a drawing in of external energy or chakra

 

[Meowazziel]

I can agree with this. Good theory.
Would give rep but cant.

Hashirama in sage mode is quite safe now for the black onmyoudon spheres.
Not sure how well Minato and Tobirama can survive, although they have FTG.
Hiruzen, what are you gonna do? =D

Obito has more jutsus at his disposal and seeing how onmyoudon wont be that effective anymore, we likely get
to see more of his arsenal of jutsus soon.

 

[Draxus]

My point is that if he tries to hit a SM user, the black stuff's "erase" property won't work

Yeah I get that, but my point is that the black orbs don't just nullify chakra, they also destroy matter. It cant erase senjutsu but does effect it physically. The senjutsu around Naruto isn't a barrier it can be permiated by physical objects.

 

[raziel777]

Yeah I get that, but my point is that the black orbs don't just nullify chakra, they also destroy matter. It cant erase senjutsu but does effect it physically. The senjutsu around Naruto isn't a barrier it can be permiated by physical objects.

You seem to forget something. The attack Gamakichi used was a ninjutsu but it is also "matter". Yet it wasn't destroyed or countered. Why ? Because it is made of senjutsu chakra. When someone goes into SM, their whole chakra is changed into senjutsu chakra, their body change (it becomes more resilient, they are faster, stronger) Basically, they become one with nature. That's why the blacks orbs shouldn't be able to harm them.

 

[Mr Hiru]

What surrounds SM User is Natural Energy 'in small amounts', not Senjutsu. Senjutsu is not only the art that let the user the gathering of Natural Energy, but the art of balancing three energies: Natural, Physical and Spiritual Energy.

The Sage Mode user has to be continuously gathering/freeing Natural Energy to be able to make a dense natural energy field surrounding him, and as we know, Sage Mode has limited time.

 

[H a n]

Hmm.. Sounds like a bit much eh?

 

[raziel777]

What surrounds SM User is Natural Energy 'in small amounts', not Senjutsu. Senjutsu is not only the art that let the user the gathering of Natural Energy, but the art of balancing three energies: Natural, Physical and Spiritual Energy.

The Sage Mode user has to be continuously gathering/freeing Natural Energy to be able to make a dense natural energy field surrounding him, and as we know, Sage Mode has limited time.

I believe you are right about the natural energy surrounding the user. I just thought of it too! But still, the user has senjutsu chakra in their body, I still think the black orbs won't work on them

 

[Mr Hiru]

I believe you are right about the natural energy surrounding the user. I just thought of it too! But still, the user has senjutsu chakra in their body, I still think the black orbs won't work on them

I don't know, we need more information. Maybe SM Users have resistence against the black element, but I don't think they being immune at all.

 

[raziel777]

I don't know, we need more information. Maybe SM Users have resistence against the black element, but I don't think they being immune at all.

I think it would be cool though. I want Obito to stop spamming that and show new jutsus!

 

[Honord Sage]

Kurama explain to Naruto the Juubi too uses Natural Energy,All the TailBeast Chakra is converted to Natural Energy Remember Naruto went into Sage Mode to Measure it and Kurama said you can't measure whats un measurable.The animal Sages must have existed at the same time as the Juubi call them the first in creation,they achieved intelligence unlike the Juubi and they live in places not redly accessible to Humans as Pa explain to Naruto to get to Toad Mountain without a Summons it takes months to find the portal. So that tell you they live in a dimensional area thats separate from our dimension.Obito can wipe our reality but not the Sages dimensions. Thus He cant't wipe their powers either.Sines their both are base on Natural Energy. This is my theory until Kishi goes into explaining the details. And it might be on this lines that He dose.

 

[Draxus]

You seem to forget something. The attack Gamakichi used was a ninjutsu but it is also "matter". Yet it wasn't destroyed or countered. Why ? Because it is made of senjutsu chakra. When someone goes into SM, their whole chakra is changed into senjutsu chakra, their body change (it becomes more resilient, they are faster, stronger) Basically, they become one with nature. That's why the blacks orbs shouldn't be able to harm them.

LOL I didn't forget it, that was my point! It wasn't nullified but it was still blocked.

Then natural energy around Naruto isn't the same, the black orbs can't nullify it but will go through it.

 

[raziel777]

LOL I didn't forget it, that was my point! It wasn't nullified but it was still blocked.

Then natural energy around Naruto isn't the same, the black orbs can't nullify it but will go through it.

Thanks to Hirudora, I concluded that what's around Naruto is natural energy and not senjutsu chakra (what Gamakichi and the rasengan were made of) So like you said, the attack will probably connect with Naruto.

BUT his body contains senjutsu chakra, he becomes one with nature. So I still think that the black orbs special abilities won't work on him

 

[grenwood]

I can agree with this. Good theory.
Would give rep but cant.

Hashirama in sage mode is quite safe now for the black onmyoudon spheres.
Not sure how well Minato and Tobirama can survive, although they have FTG.
Hiruzen, what are you gonna do? =D

Obito has more jutsus at his disposal and seeing how onmyoudon wont be that effective anymore, we likely get
to see more of his arsenal of jutsus soon.

technically speaking tobirama doesnt need his head for anything other than talking thanks to his senory abilities, and he certainly doesnt need any of his organs or anything else that makes someone live, so the only way to beat him would be to destroy both his arms or both his legs. and even with both his legs gone he could still teleport. also minato doesnt need either of his arms or legs considering he has access `to chackra arms so the only way to beat him would be to rip his head off. hashirama doesnt have these advantages but he at least has the ability to fight and defend against juubito thanks to senjutsu. so minato and tobirama are about as immortal as hidan and hashirama doesnt really have any disadvantages other than power. seems like hiruzen is the only really useless edo against juubito.