Minato is a Jinchuriki

[ajpn920]

Its not the fact that he is a jin but rather it makes absolutely no sense.

If you want we can play a game.

Ill ask you questions (with links to make life easier) and you answer.
I will not refute your answer but rather go onto the next point

Nice Idea. Playing mind games is good. Might as well I play your game too.

Its not the fact that he is a jin but rather it makes absolutely no sense

Honestly, I really wonder why it's so hard for you to understand. Why no sense?

A juubi was split into 9 several bijuus. Why splitting kurama into two made no sense when we all saw what Minato did?

Is it because why they needed Kushina to be a host in the first place? Well why would they do some test project if there's someone from the Uzumaki clan that is 100% sure to be a jin? How would they know that Minato is capable of being a jin if he can't be tested? How sure are they that Minato will survive after being tested? Lastly, Minato has only 50% of kurama and not 100% full. It makes sense why they wont do some test project when they have someone from the Uzumaki clan who is capable of being a host

 

[Blaze Release]

@ajp.

Its not the spliting of kurama into 2 that doesn't make sense. It how he became a jin.
My post was directed towards bogard but if you want i can play the game with you

 

[ajpn920]

@ajp.

Its not the spliting of kurama into 2 that doesn't make sense. It how he became a jin.
My post was directed towards bogard but if you want i can play the game with you

I'd be happy to play that game with you.

Its not the spliting of kurama into 2 that doesn't make sense. It how he became a jin.

He became a Jin for 2 reasons:

1. He has the YIN part of Kurama
2. He is capable of being a Jin

If I remember correctly, 8 out of 9 Jins are not from Uzumaki clan. Those people are capable of being a host. Nobody is questioning why, right? Why it's impossible for Minato? Can you at least answer this?

 

[Blaze Release]

I'd be happy to play that game with you.



He became a Jin for 2 reasons:

1. He has the YIN part of Kurama
2. He is capable of being a Jin

There are roughly 5/6 parts to my game.
As i said i will not refute your answer, but just go onto the next point.

First point is the shiki fujin.
To make life easier ill bring links.

Hiruzen uses the shiki fujin.
As we know the demon's hands enters the user's body and uses the body as a medium.
When hiruzen pulled the 2 hokage's souls out this is what happened.

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Some might say he sealed their souls in his body.

But we all know that it isn't true because a few pages later, after getting orochimaru's soul we also see the hokage's souls (faces), along with oro's and hiruzen's attacked to the death gods

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He then takes out his knife and cuts out the souls and eats them

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Prior to the link above hiruzen said

"With this jutsu the one whose soul is sealed will suffer for all eternity in the belly of death"

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So hiruzen at first appeared to have sealed the hokage's in himself, but rather he was merely a medium and the hokage's were actually tagged to his soul which is also tagged to the death god. When it took its knife out, he eat their souls.

Same thing happened with minato


Majority think this scan shows that he sealed kurama in himself, but actually its the same thing hiruzen did at first.

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Few chapters later we saw his the portion of kurama attached to minato's soul which is attached to the death god

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On that same page you'd note that the death god has taken its knife from his mouth and is about severe the link and devour both minato's and that portion of kurama.

To put it simple the exact same thing that happened with hiruzen happened with minato.
That portion of kurama along with minato's soul was devoured by death god. He didn't or should i say was not supposed to die a jinchrucki.

Next question do you why, minato disagreed with kushina sealing the fox and dying with the fox?

If I remember correctly, 8 out of 9 Jins are not from Uzumaki clan. Those people are capable of being a host. Nobody is questioning why, right? Why it's impossible for Minato? Can you at least answer this?

Dude i said ill ask the questions and bogard answers, but since you are taking his place you do the same

To answer your question its not that minato cannot become a jin, but rather in this scenario it brings out inconsistencies

 

[Blaze Release]

Yo you taking long and i need to go sleep therefore ill give you 2 more questions to answer.
Will not refute your answers though.

Lets put naruto becoming the saviour of the world to one side.
The other reason for minato disagreeing with kushina sealing the beast in herself and dying a jin is because it will be revived with out a host.

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Ai and Tsunade say the same thing

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Same reason akatskui are very careful not to kill the host or else they risk waiting till the beast is revived

To prevent that from happening he used the shiki fujin to seal it (not in himself because then he is doing the exact same thing that kushina proposed), but rather seal it somewhere that cannot be accessed, the belly of the death god

Third question.

If minato did die a host/jinchrucki then surely what he himself and ai/Tsunade said should have happened by now. That portion of kurama should have been revived.

These three things alone imo states clearly that, he didn't die a jin, but rather both himself and that portion of kurama were sealed in the death god

 

[ajpn920]

There are roughly 5/6 parts to my game.
As i said i will not refute your answer, but just go onto the next point.

First point is the shiki fujin.
To make life easier ill bring links.

Hiruzen uses the shiki fujin.
As we know the demon's hands enters the user's body and uses the body as a medium.
When hiruzen pulled the 2 hokage's souls out this is what happened.

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

Some might say he sealed their souls in his body.

But we all know that it isn't true because a few pages later, after getting orochimaru's soul we also see the hokage's souls (faces), along with oro's and hiruzen's attacked to the death gods

You must be registered for see links

He then takes out his knife and cuts out the souls and eats them

You must be registered for see links

Prior to the link above hiruzen said

"With this jutsu the one whose soul is sealed will suffer for all eternity in the belly of death"

You must be registered for see links

So hiruzen at first appeared to have sealed the hokage's in himself, but rather he was merely a medium and the hokage's were actually tagged to his soul which is also tagged to the death god. When it took its knife out, he eat their souls.

Same thing happened with minato


Majority think this scan shows that he sealed kurama in himself, but actually its the same thing hiruzen did at first.

You must be registered for see links

Few chapters later we saw his the portion of kurama attached to minato's soul which is attached to the death god

You must be registered for see links

On that same page you'd note that the death god has taken its knife from his mouth and is about severe the link and devour both minato's and that portion of kurama.

To put it simple the exact same thing that happened with hiruzen happened with minato.
That portion of kurama along with minato's soul was devoured by death god. He didn't or should i say was not supposed to die a jinchrucki.

Next question do you why, minato disagreed with kushina sealing the fox and dying with the fox?




Dude i said ill ask the questions and bogard answers, but since you are taking his place you do the same

To answer your question its not that minato cannot become a jin, but rather in this scenario it brings out inconsistencies

That's really a good question. Majority of the base may have exactly the same question. To answer those questions, let us go first to where it started and let's check what tailed beasts are.

The tailed beasts are living forms of chakra, sometimes referred to as Chakra Monsters

With the quote above and the scan below

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It gives us an idea of what tailed beasts really are. They are LIVING FORMS OF CHAKRA. Can we say that we are the same as them? Humans in NV have chakra but can they call themselves a living form of chakra?

Your questions can be answered simply by my questions..=D That is if you get the point of my questions. But for everyone's sake, i'll answer that directly.

It makes sense why there are 9 entities formed when the sage split the juubi. But, are those entities really have souls in the 1st place? Are there 9 entities living in the juubi? If we are to give juubi a soul then there could only be one but why upon splitting the juubi created 9 entities? Simple, the juubi is not the same as the humans who possesses souls. We are different being. If they have souls then they are capable of being Edo'd, right?

Let's go back to Oro's case. His arm was split by the use of RDS. His arm (soul of his arm or whatever we call that) is part of his soul. But by splitting that, it did not create another entity.

The scan showed us both Kurama and Minato but how can Kishi represents the YIN chakra of kurama being sealed? Did it cross your mind that perhaps that illustration means that it was the chakra part and not exactly a soul?

RDS takes away the target's soul. But did you forget what Minato's true intention is? To refresh your memory, this isMinato's true intention

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To permanently seal half of the fox's power

Minato's intention was to seal half of kurama's power through RDS. He did not say that he will seal the fox's soul but rather it's power with the intention to give Naruto the other half. This is merely supported by the scan below

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What a heavy chakra

The thing you said that passed through Minato was indeed a chakra and not a soul.

By the way, we can't call it a game if we can't take turns right? I have answered your questions and you do the same. Here are the questions i've posted above.

1. Can we say that we are the same as the tailed beasts for some reason? In what way?

2. Humans in NV have chakra but can they call themselves a living form of chakra?

3. Are those entities (tailed beasts) really have souls? Give scan to support your answer

4. Knowing the function of RDS, do you think a being will survive after the soul is taken?

5. Are there 9 entities living in the juubi?

6. If we are to give juubi a soul then there could only be one but why upon splitting the juubi created 9 entities? Why Oro's situation is different?

7. Did it cross your mind that perhaps that illustration means that it was the chakra part and not exactly a soul?

Next question do you why, minato disagreed with kushina sealing the fox and dying with the fox?

Please rephrase this. Can't understand it..

 

[Transcendence]

I have to give props Bogard. I doubted you, but you were correct. Nice job.

 

[ajpn920]

Yo you taking long and i need to go sleep therefore ill give you 2 more questions to answer.
Will not refute your answers though.

Lets put naruto becoming the saviour of the world to one side.
The other reason for minato disagreeing with kushina sealing the beast in herself and dying a jin is because it will be revived with out a host.

You must be registered for see links

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Ai and Tsunade say the same thing

You must be registered for see links

Same reason akatskui are very careful not to kill the host or else they risk waiting till the beast is revived

To prevent that from happening he used the shiki fujin to seal it (not in himself because then he is doing the exact same thing that kushina proposed), but rather seal it somewhere that cannot be accessed, the belly of the death god

Third question.

If minato did die a host/jinchrucki then surely what he himself and ai/Tsunade said should have happened by now. That portion of kurama should have been revived.

These three things alone imo states clearly that, he didn't die a jin, but rather both himself and that portion of kurama were sealed in the death god

A little bit busy. Sorry for the long wait. To answer your question, the YIN chakra goes along with Minato's soul. It can't be revived because it was sealed along with Minato's soul. YIN is some sort of spiritual energy. The logical explanation to that is the moment the YIN portion was sealed, it goes along with Minato's soul. We all know that spiritual energy is derived from ones soul.

As I told you in my previous post, that soul you are referring to is just an illustration to represent the YIN portion. You can ask this question to yourself. How can Kishi represent the YIN portion going into the shinigami? He can by illustration and explanation.

Illustration ----> Kishis drawing

Explanation ----> Minato explaining that he wanted to seal half of kurama's power

By the way, if you ask yourself why Minato sealed the YANG chakra and not the YIN chakra then the answer can definitely answer your question why he is a JIN

Just in case it did not cross your mind then i'll share it with you.

If Minato did seal the YIN chakra to naruto then obviously the YANG chakra which is derived from physical energy (can be collected from body cells and can be acquired through training) can't go along with his soul and can be revived the moment he dies or perhaps when Oro broke the seal, the YANG portion will form another entity the moment it was released.

If Minato did seal the YIN to Naruto and not the YANG then I would agree with you about the inconsistencies in the manga and that Minato did not die as a Jin. As of now, it's crystal clear for me why Minato is a Jin. It is well supported by the manga. Understanding is needed though.

 

[ajpn920]

Hey Blaze what's taking you so long? Are we done with this game?=D

 

[Blaze Release]

Hey Blaze what's taking you so long? Are we done with this game?=D

Good things come to those who wait, or so i heard.
I've been busy.

-Sigh-, i am too nice these days and allow myself to drift.

While i think, i think, i understand what you are trying to say by distinguishing soul and chakra, regardless of either form it should still end up in the deaths god's belly. Though i have never disagreed that he sealed a portion (yin).

Though i am confused because it appears we both agree that he sealed the yin portion along with his soul inside the death god's stomach and not within his body, he didn't become a host as the chakra theoretically shouldn't be in his body.


Anyway i have to log on so ill get back to 4,5,6
Some say, he didn't die a jin and i agree. But rather, his soul in the death gods stomach gained control of this portion of chakra and when he was summoned by the edo tensei, his soul and that of this portion of kurama were intertwined therefore by summoning his soul into a body via edo tensei he became a jin that way. Reason perhaps we didn't see kurama and his soul intertwined the way he saw it when he used the shiki fujin is because in that instance he hadn't gained control over it.

So basically summoning his soul into a body is the only way that he becomes a jin via edo tensei as this portion of chakra that is intertwined with his soul is also summoned and enters the sacrifices body by default and not before he died

There are inconsistencies with this though, but iam rushing so ill get back

Secondly is Obito temporarily sealing the former jin's beasts into them

Then we have madar claiming he needs to be alive and not an edo to become the 10 tails jin

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I always thought Minato was a jinchuriki since he has half of the Nine Tails in him.