Should 3rd Raikage be top 10?

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If Sandaime gets one hit on his opponent they're done.

Genjutsu doesn't work on someone with chakra that's disrupted.

@Underline: Supposition.

Genjutsu can be established at the beginning of the fight and as Sandiame has no canonical knowledge of the prowess or inner workings of Itachi's genjutsu, it is certainty.
 

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Why because you think minato > Itachi? or because you dont think kabuto is 6th? Sorry but I use facts when putting together a list so they are in their correct spots.



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Kabuto is 2.
The explosive tags wont do shit to the 3rd raikage.
Idk what facts ur talking about no one other than obito gets past edo army.
 

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Nah. I doubt it. Bee is stronger then the 3rd and he can barely make it to top 10.
 

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In all fairness, Kabuto is at least 4th, arguably tied for 2nd or 3rd with Madara and Hashirama, the dude has an army of edos.

he thinks vote madara beats kabuto...even though kabuto has edo madara which is stronger than vote madara.... but alas those are his facts.
 

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@Underline: Supposition.

Genjutsu can be established at the beginning of the fight and as Sandiame has no canonical knowledge of the prowess or inner workings of Itachi's genjutsu, it is certainty.

The official counter for genjutsu is having the victims chakra disrupted. In raiton armor is chakra is always stimulating.

Also, the 3rd isn't a slow poke by any means so there is a high chance of him hitting matching FTG.

As for Itachi, who isn't fast, has no counter for his speed except for Susanoo. Even then that's a big target for a poweful and fast 3 fingers.
 

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Nah. I doubt it. Bee is stronger then the 3rd and he can barely make it to top 10.

Eh, it is debatable.

Sandaime already went face to face with Hachibi.

Bee being a human just makes it easier.
 

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Eh, it is debatable.

Sandaime already went face to face with Hachibi.

Bee being a human just makes it easier.

Not really. The 3rd went against a rampaging Hachibi who didn't know much about strategies and didn't really think. Bee being able to control the Bijuu makes it harder for the 3rd since Bee's human form moves alot faster then the Hachibi and can control it's power. Also, they can work together. Back then Hachibi was an uncontrollable rampaging beast.

Hachibi+Bee will destroy the 3rd.
 

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The official counter for genjutsu is having the victims chakra disrupted. In raiton armor is chakra is always stimulating.

Also, the 3rd isn't a slow poke by any means so there is a high chance of him hitting matching FTG.

As for Itachi, who isn't fast, has no counter for his speed except for Susanoo. Even then that's a big target for a poweful and fast 3 fingers.

well can you tell me how can some one beat hiddan ? he's immortal he can control you there is no jutsu will work on him

and was Defeated by shikamaru

a guy is just too lazy to do anything his only jutsu is using shadows

explain plz ^_^
 

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Kabuto & Orochimaru with Edo Tensei are above him. Obito is above him. Naruto is above him. Madara is above him. Hashirama is above him. Nagato is above him. Sasuke is above him. Itachi is above him. Killer Bee is above him. Gaara is above him.

Do I need more?
 

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Kabuto is 2.

Because of edo tensei? madara solos his ass if he even tried to summon him first of all. & secondly, the top 5 murder kabuto before he can even summon them or go into SM U_U.

The explosive tags wont do shit to the 3rd raikage.

Lol & your proof is...?

Idk what facts ur talking about no one other than obito gets past edo army.

Obito (Rinnegan)
Madara
Hashi
Naruto
Nagato

All blitz kabuto's ass before edos are summoned. & not only that but SM is useless too because all the above are sensors or can see chakra, thus turning kabuto's transformation into nothing but target practice for them.

Dont forget, without anko's chakra kabuto needs to add in his sealing tags in order to properly program his edos for either full control, no control, or auto pilot. He has seperate talismans for each therefore wont already have the proper ones set up as that's prep.

In all fairness, Kabuto is at least 4th, arguably tied for 2nd or 3rd with Madara and Hashirama, the dude has an army of edos.

Read above, edo tensei is so overrated that its sickening, what about all the damn weaknesses it has, is everyone going to disregard those too? I guess minato doesnt need seals for FTG then right? If were throwing weaknesses out the window then might as well give Itachi MS with no pain or deva path without a 5 second time limit.

Edo tensei has one of the biggest weaknesses in manga history, & people think that kabuto is top 5 with it? lol please.
 
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The official counter for genjutsu is having the victims chakra disrupted. In raiton armor is chakra is always stimulating.

Also, the 3rd isn't a slow poke by any means so there is a high chance of him hitting matching FTG.

As for Itachi, who isn't fast, has no counter for his speed except for Susanoo. Even then that's a big target for a poweful and fast 3 fingers.


@bold: Speculation already refuted by Canon.

Eye contact can be established faster than Sandaime activates Raiton no Yori and as his fighting style is purely taijutsu he must make eye contact with the opponent to battle and counter efficiently [ ]. The lightening shroud actually doesn't protect him from genjutsu [ ], irrefutably erasing any possibility of him winning against either combatants.

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Tsukyomi > Raiton Armor
Itachi not fastZzz Cmon man... His speed feats are quite impressive
 

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Because of edo tensei? madara solos his ass if he even tried to summon him first of all. & secondly, the top 5 murder kabuto before he can even summon them or go into SM U_U.



Lol & your proof is...?



Obito (Rinnegan)
Madara
Hashi
Naruto
Nagato

All blitz kabuto's ass before edos are summoned. & not only that but SM is useless too because all the above are sensors or can see chakra, thus turning kabuto's transformation into nothing but target practice for them.

Dont forget, without anko's chakra kabuto needs to add in his sealing tags in order to properly program his edos for either full control, no control, or auto pilot. He has seperate talismans for each therefore wont already have the proper ones set up as that's prep.



Read above, edo tensei is so overrated that its sickening, what about all the damn weaknesses it has, is everyone going to disregard those too? I guess minato doesnt need seals for FTG then right? If were throwing weaknesses out the window then might as well give Itachi MS with no pain or deva path without a 5 second time limit.

Edo tensei has one of the biggest weaknesses in manga history, & people think that kabuto is top 5 with it? lol please.

First of all he goes sage mode passively via juugo's dna

Secondly the amount of time it takes naruto go bm, madara or hashirama to even do anything( all of their techniques
require seals) Or nagato to do anything kabuto can slap his hands together and pull caskets out of thin air.

As for the proper programming crap ur talking about the only time kabuto overwrites their autopilot(which he purposefully left weak to attack shinob's moral having to fight a conscious dead teammate) is when their eyes turn white. Other than that they follow the talisman.

lol so your entire argument as to why kabuto isn't second is they blitz him b4 he does anything?by that logic kakashi should be 2 on your list via kamui lol.

Anyways. 3rd raikage tanked frs quite fine and could tank mabui's the instant teleportataion without even using lightening armour so he should be fine against some exploding tags.
 

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First of all he goes sage mode passively via juugo's dna

Wrong, this is how he enters sage mode

Read from that page & look how many scans it takes for him to finally shed his snake skin, it took 7 pages from where I showed you but I'm convinced that he started the proccess when he first made the handsigns. Either way, this is more than enough time for the ones below to stop kabuto with the necessary jutsus.

Secondly the amount of time it takes naruto go bm, madara or hashirama to even do anything( all of their techniques
require seals) Or nagato to do anything kabuto can slap his hands together and pull caskets out of thin air.







Hashi...actually kabuto is a bad matchip for hashi, he doesnt have anything that can kill him...

As for edo tensei, they are lifeless puppets until programmed to do otherwise, at most kabuto can throw in some sealing tags or use some fodder jutsu that he only has knowledge of but its unlikely that he can act before the above scans take place.

As for the proper programming crap ur talking about the only time kabuto overwrites their autopilot(which he purposefully left weak to attack shinob's moral having to fight a conscious dead teammate) is when their eyes turn white. Other than that they follow the talisman.

What...? Kabuto cant overwrite anything remotely without anko's chakra, before kabuto adds in his talismans the edos are either lifeless or they act of their own free will. There are actually scans showing both so there is contradiction but the fact remains that kabuto cant control his edos effectively without anko's chakra or the talismans.

lol so your entire argument as to why kabuto isn't second is they blitz him b4 he does anything?by that logic kakashi should be 2 on your list via kamui lol.

Kakashi cant blitz many top tier ninja with kamui :rolleyes:

Anyways. 3rd raikage tanked frs quite fine and could tank mabui's the instant teleportataion without even using lightening armour so he should be fine against some exploding tags.

No he didnt, he was an edo, if he wasnt then he would have still taken damage to FRS, look at the damage he took . Compared to how he was in the previous scan (no cracks), it is certain that the RS affected him despite what naruto says. This is a situation of feats being > hype. Feats say he took damage, naruto's hype says otherwise. Raikage is getting hurt by bombs.
 
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Because of edo tensei? madara solos his ass if he even tried to summon him first of all. & secondly, the top 5 murder kabuto before he can even summon them or go into SM U_U.



Lol & your proof is...?



Obito (Rinnegan)
Madara
Hashi
Naruto
Nagato

All blitz kabuto's ass before edos are summoned. & not only that but SM is useless too because all the above are sensors or can see chakra, thus turning kabuto's transformation into nothing but target practice for them.

Dont forget, without anko's chakra kabuto needs to add in his sealing tags in order to properly program his edos for either full control, no control, or auto pilot. He has seperate talismans for each therefore wont already have the proper ones set up as that's prep.



Read above, edo tensei is so overrated that its sickening, what about all the damn weaknesses it has, is everyone going to disregard those too? I guess minato doesnt need seals for FTG then right? If were throwing weaknesses out the window then might as well give Itachi MS with no pain or deva path without a 5 second time limit.

Edo tensei has one of the biggest weaknesses in manga history, & people think that kabuto is top 5 with it? lol please.

He claps his hands and he has an army.

IF his opponent reaches him before he can clap his hands is a whole different story.
 

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He claps his hands and he has an army.

IF his opponent reaches him before he can clap his hands is a whole different story.

He cant control that army properly without talismans, he has to retreat in order to control the ones he wants & even then they will be considerably weaker due to kabuto's lack of knowledge on their fighting styles.
 

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He cant control that army properly without talismans, he has to retreat in order to control the ones he wants & even then they will be considerably weaker due to kabuto's lack of knowledge on their fighting styles.

At the same time... he doesn't NEED the WHOLE army.

Just a select few including Nagato, 3rd raikage, Muu, 4th Kazekage, Hanzo, Kakuzu, Sasori, Deidara, Jin Kin Bros.

He could choose a couple of those guys which he would have good control over.
 

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At the same time... he doesn't NEED the WHOLE army.

Just a select few including Nagato, 3rd raikage, Muu, 4th Kazekage, Hanzo, Kakuzu, Sasori, Deidara, Jin Kin Bros.

He could choose a couple of those guys which he would have good control over.

Then he needs to activate the edo's jutsus on top of that. & as I said he doesnt know their fighting style so they will be weaker, Itachi countered & sealed edo nagato because of kabuto's bad control.

No matter what, kabuto while he summons & controls his edos gets squashed by anyone fast enough to blitz him beforehand.
 

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Then he needs to activate the edo's jutsus on top of that. & as I said he doesnt know their fighting style so they will be weaker, Itachi countered & sealed edo nagato because of kabuto's bad control.

No matter what, kabuto while he summons & controls his edos gets squashed by anyone fast enough to blitz him beforehand.

By that reasoning 3rd Raikage can beat Hashirama before he performs Mokuton?

I get what you're saying though, it's just.. a tad bit flawed.

Also, Itachi didn't solo Edo Nagato, it was a 3v1 battle.
 

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2. Hashirama
3. Madara
4. Naruto
5. Nagato
6. DSM Kabuto
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