[VS] Minato & Tsunade Vs Gaara & Ay

[TheEvilOne]

could go either way if you ask me tsunade is a non factor tho if minato sets his kunai or seals gaara can cover sand all over them but as someone said gamabunta's oil could make gaara useless i say team minato extreme high diff

but minato cannot summing all 3 of those toads at once let along summon ma & pa not happening

How is Tsunade a non factor? She has FTG mark, this means Minato can use her to oneshot Ay or to break Gaara's defense.
And let's not forgot about her Bijuu sized summon. Minato can mark Katsuyu and teleport her to Gaara's head. GG.

 

[Gakido]

A and Gaara would win

 

[Bantos]

Tsunade and Minato take this. Tsunade is already marked so she can just run at the two and Minato follows and teleports at the moment when A rushes to punch Tsunade. Tsunade will tank the punch and Minato will mark A. Tsunade summons Katsuyu and hides until Minato has killed A. Gaara gets close to Gaara and uses ftg to bring forth Tsunade who'll use her lightning infused chakra punches to easily punch trough the sand. Or just simply ranshinsho.

 

[Gakido]

Tsunade and Minato take this. Tsunade is already marked so she can just run at the two and Minato follows and teleports at the moment when A rushes to punch Tsunade. Tsunade will tank the punch and Minato will mark A. Tsunade summons Katsuyu and hides until Minato has killed A. Gaara gets close to Gaara and uses ftg to bring forth Tsunade who'll use her lightning infused chakra punches to easily punch trough the sand. Or just simply ranshinsho.

A has intel on FTG, that tactic wont work nor can Minato kill A.

If Tsunade tries to punch the sand then she just get grabbed by the sand. Gaara can also cover the entire field along with Minato's tags with Sand Tsunami.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Ay is as intelligent as a wet noodle. The chances of realising Minato can warp to Tsunade and as such run from her are dim.

 

[Gakido]

Ay is as intelligent as a wet noodle. The chances of realising Minato can warp to Tsunade and as such run from her are dim.

Do you have any proof of such a claim. The only irrational thing he ever did was attack Sasuke through Enton, which was only because of his rage.

 

[TheEvilOne]

A has intel on FTG, that tactic wont work nor can Minato kill A.

If Tsunade tries to punch the sand then she just get grabbed by the sand. Gaara can also cover the entire field along with Minato's tags with Sand Tsunami.

And Minato warps her out. Not a big deal.

 

[Gakido]

And Minato warps her out. Not a big deal.

While he has to dodge A and Gaara's Sand? Not likely.

 

[TheEvilOne]

While he has to dodge A and Gaara's Sand? Not likely.

Do you even know how fast Minato is and how good his reaction time is?
Not to mention he can simply use a bunshin to cover Tsunade, while his real body concentrates on the Raikage.

 

[Bantos]

A has intel on FTG, that tactic wont work nor can Minato kill A.

If Tsunade tries to punch the sand then she just get grabbed by the sand. Gaara can also cover the entire field along with Minato's tags with Sand Tsunami.

You think Gaara's sand will stop Tsunade's punch? Not likely. And also, A has no way of knowing that Tsunade carries the ftg mark.

 

[Gakido]

You think Gaara's sand will stop Tsunade's punch? Not likely. And also, A has no way of knowing that Tsunade carries the ftg mark.

It doesn't need to. It just envolpes her after she tries.

None of this matters in the face of Sand Tsunami anyway.

Do you even know how fast Minato is and how good his reaction time is?
Not to mention he can simply use a bunshin to cover Tsunade, while his real body concentrates on the Raikage.

Minato's Shunshin in Base is Itachi level. His reaction time is barely enough to react to a frontal assault from A, the best debaters around will tell you that. I also find Minato using Clones in Base unlikely. In all his screentime in base he never did, likely because his stamina reserves arnt noteworthy and he would wear out too fast.

 

[TheEvilOne]

It doesn't need to. It just envolpes her after she tries.

None of this matters in the face of Sand Tsunami anyway.



Minato's Shunshin in Base is Itachi level. His reaction time is barely enough to react to a frontal assault from A. I also find Minato using Clones in Base unlikely. In all his screentime in base he never did, likely because his stamina reserves arnt noteworthy and he would wear out too fast.

Even if the bullshit you wrote is true, Gaara's sand is sluggish compared to Ay's speed.

 

[Gakido]

Even if the bullshit you wrote is true, Gaara's sand is sluggish compared to Ay's speed.

Minato's own Shunshin feats are comparable with Itachi. People need to hop off of Minato. As I said previous, The best debaters i've seen on any forums think this.

like Rizengan01, DemonicAvenger, Good Kakashi, StriderZero, Agg77in, & Kolschrvier (Most of these guys are on MF though, which in terms of intelligence makes this place looks like pre-school compared to back in the day.) Two of those are stalwart Minato fans as well.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

team 1 takes this mostly because of Minato

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Bro tsunade is not factor here. And wow I for got about that scan of her already being marked but Minato does not know that.

Shes a non factor because nothing in her arsenal is touching Ay or damaging Gaara. Gaara can easily restrain her via sand or bury her undergournd where she will eventually suffocate in a matter of minutes. When kcm naruto fought Ay tsunade was actually surprised that kcm naruto was able to keep up with Ay. Tsunade does not have the speed nor reaction feats to go toe and toe with Ay. Im speaking from a realistic view point here. Ay decapitates her unless Minato can ftg in time.

Nah, she is bruh. Like KG mentioned, Minato can teleport things that is in contact with his chakra [

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] (FTG Marking) With that being said, Minato can simply warp Tsunade out of any trouble she'll be facing. So the thought of her getting taken out of the battle that easily should be thrown out the window.

Also, they can pull off some crazy FTG combo's, where Minato can teleport Tsunade to Gaara or Ay to land a life ending punch on either one of them; assuming they got tagged of course. And I haven't even mentioned, Tsunades ability to heal Minato and/or his Kage Bunshins and restore them of their chakra. She isn't a non-factor.

No need for the kunai to get in. Re-read my post. FTG has a range and because it has a range, Minato can teleport within a area where his markings are. It's because of this he could still kill Gaara who will be next to the marking covered by his sand

I specifically set the intel to full in order to avoid arguments such as these that depend on the oppositions lack of knowledge on Hiraishin. Therefore, the odds of Gaara making this mistake is doubtful.

All Minato needs to do is tag Tsunade at the start of the fight which lets him protect Tsunade from any of Ay's blitzes via summoning her to him just how

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summoned him

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. Which was possible because

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. Minato's marking is made of his chakra and its on Tsunade, so this should be possible. If not possible he can always he just teleport to her and teleport her away. This can be done via his clone while the original takes care of Gaara.

Gaara's sand can be dealt with using

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. We saw what happened to his sand

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It won't even be able to protect him from Minato's Kunai being tossed at him, allowing him to end Gaara with Rasengan.

We already saw in the manga that Ay

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and instead almost got stabbed by his Kunai. While I can't say that the Kunai would have done anything since he was able to tank Chidori Katana with his Raiton Armor against Sasuke (But on the other hand, Killer B felt the need to save him, so idk), simply take Minato

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, and replace the Kunai with a Rasengan.

There's also the possibility of Minato using FTG to get one of Tsunade's punches to land on Ay, which would be a one shot.

I'll give it to Team 1.

I agree with everything here except Gamabuntas oil impairing Gaaras sand. I'll just quote myself from a debate I participated in a while ago, detailing why I don't believe this type of oil is Gaara's weakness.

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Ah, the oil. Let me begin by stating that the "oil" that was stated to be Gaaras weakness, and the oil that Jiraiya uses ,are not the exact same substance. Allow me to explain.

• Trollkages Oil
  
  The Trollkages oil, that Gaara has mentioned to seep through his sand and destroy it, isn't exactly just oil. It is a mixture of water and oil. This is proven when it was referred to as a "
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  " thus implying that it isn't just oil, but water as well. This is confirmed to be the case, when Onoki was explaining the mechanics of Joki Boy. He mentioned that the Mizukages body contains
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  .
  
  
• Jiraiyas Oil
  
  Now, the substance that Jiraiya uses is pure oil. A
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  and very flammable substance.
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The difference between the two, is that the oily water the Mizukage uses is very slick and slippery. Reason why Gaara noted it to seep threw his sand. While in contact with the sand, the watery oil turned it into a gooey, slimy,

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. Jiraiyas oil lacks the watery substance to make is slick and slippery in order for it seep threw Gaaras sand as effectively.

Gaara & A win this

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into

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is Gaara's primary counter to Minato's FTG. It covers Minato along with all of his tags and crushes it all in one go.

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is added protection against any surprise assaults from Minato.

A can back this strategy up by using V2 to cover any possible Kunais that didn't get envolped by Ryūsa Bakuryū.

Not quite sure how you concluded that his giant sand burial will crush the tags.... unless you meant the FTG Kunai. Also, you're not taking the location I set into consideration.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Minato's own Shunshin feats are comparable with Itachi. People need to hop off of Minato. As I said previous, The best debaters i've seen on any forums think this.

like Rizengan01, DemonicAvenger, Good Kakashi, StriderZero, Agg77in, & Kolschrvier (Most of these guys are on MF though, which in terms of intelligence makes this place looks like pre-school compared to back in the day.) Two of those are stalwart Minato fans as well.

DA is your alt ( or neighbor ? ), I don't even know who the other guys are. And honestly, who cares? They are all wrong. Minato's shunshin >>>> Itachi's shunshin.

Bogard made an explanation about the Minato vs Ay battle. Minato dodged his attack easily and not barely. I'll search the link if you want.

 

[Gakido]

DA is your alt ( or neighbor ? ), I don't even know who the other guys are. And honestly, who cares? They are all wrong. Minato's shunshin >>>> Itachi's shunshin.

Bogard made an explanation about the Minato vs Ay battle. Minato dodged his attack easily and not barely. I'll search the link if you want.

You still on that? Im friends with the guy and all of a sudden im an alt. And yea, Im his neighbor (Well in the same neighborhood, although he moved out a week or so ago).

I've already seen bogards link. It was barely, the guy takes things that happened off screen and twists it in Minato's favor. Minato's face says everything we need to know about that confrontation. It was by the skin of his teeth.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

@Forbidden Technique

Alright, so lets say Gamabunta's oil did require water to seep through Gaara's sand, what stops him from spewing his own oil towards Gaara, while augmenting it with his very own water cannonballs [

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]?

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree with everything here except Gamabuntas oil impairing Gaaras sand. I'll just quote myself from a debate I participated in a while ago, detailing why I don't believe this type of oil is Gaara's weakness.

I see. That makes sense. Though, what about SasoriOfTheRedSaand's method?

 

[Unorthodox]

I see. That makes sense. Though, what about SasoriOfTheRedSaand's method?

i forgot gamabunta has water to lol yea team 1 still takes this