Kurama2012
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okay answer this if minato sucks at genjutsu as much as you think why the hell would he be a feared ninja when genjutsu would screw him over? oh do you think itachi is the only good genjutsu user
I'm a believer. KCM Minato is a lot stronger than I thought
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Kurama2012
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more serious than thinking finger genjutsu is the holy grail of genjutsu. the fact is you look down on minato a lot and think he will turn genin level against genjutsu yet we have zero evidence on how well minato handles genjutsu but if you can show me a strand of evidence that minato is weak to genjutsu or doesnt know how to deal with genjutsu then i will admit itachi beats minato
naruttebayo
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does reading the intention means he can react in time if the opponent is faster ?
further as you said " minato can use only 1 clone" where is it stated ?
as you said " every one is vulnerable to genjutsu " where is it stated ?
what exactly is the reason that you think hashirama 's mokuton clone saves him from itachi but minato's clone couldn't is it the no of clones or the quality of clones ?
what makes you think itachi can read minato's intention but hashirama's couldn't ?
what makes you think itachi has an upper hand in a clone fight ?
last how do you think finger genjutsu works ?
what is the process for genjutsu to work (since you think everyone is vulnerable to genjutsu you gotta answer this) ?
we are now just going in circles.. It's hilarious that you guys are soooo reluctant on asking for manga information when I clearly state things only from the manga yet your arguments are based on stuff Minato has not shown or even has.
GG
oh right then i guess that minato is unsurpassed then because the manga said so:
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seems legit Lol
Kurama2012
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but isnt that the same as what you are doing regarding minato you claim him to be fodder when confronted with genjutsu yet we havent seen genjutsu used on him but what is more insulting is that you think itachi wins with a simple finger genjutsu really, is minato that bad that you think itachi doesnt need his top genjutsu to beat him
also doesnt it state it in the manga that minato was unsurpassed so by manga facts minato is above itachi
Kurama2012
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well that's the thing, you cannot take every hype statement that DB or the manga made and say they are all true. you need feats to justify hype, hiruzen doesn't have any feats to make the strongest hokage, nor use KKG and clan techs. itachi doesn't have feats to be called invincible. the manga also called nagato invincible and unbeatable, this conradicts itachi's invincibility statement, and then minato is called unsurpassed which contradicts both itachi's and nagato's but minato's feats doesn't make him unsurpassed.
feats > hype.
naruttebayo
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i'm not even arguing
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i'm only asking
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and you are not answering
my questions remain same untill they are answered
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Well the first time Kakashi was put under Tsukoyomi by Itachi, he did on purpose.... When he then fought him the second time he didn't get caught besides for his shadow clone who did on purpose again... Sasuke did on purpose...... Izanami is a genjutsu that works by manipulating the opponents senses, and if you think about than Itachi was killed twice by Kabuto, and had it not been for Edo Tensei he would be dead. If he try that on Minato than he is dead. Finger genjutsu is weak, as seen when Naruto was close, at breaking it, despite Naruto not having any talent in genjutsu or genjutsu release. There is not a single battle where we have seen Itachi fight where he haven't fought close combat with his opponent, if he does that with Minato than he is death, remember you can avoid eye contact, but to avoid touch against and opponent as fast as Minato is nearly impossible. Also, you only look, at Itachi's abillities and how his opponent's can not counter them well, you also need to look at, how Itachi can counter his opponents jutsu
NO HATE You can't say Genjutsu wont work then say Itachi will lose to minato in taijutsu.. From feats alone Itachi is better at taijutsu than Minato.. Minato has no jutsu strong enough ot beat itachi.. All he has in kunai and Rasengan. Both can be blocked by susanoo rib cage. Itachi has 5+ 1 shot abilities on top of totsuka and yata to beat minato. Minato only chance to live is to run.Well the first time Kakashi was put under Tsukoyomi by Itachi, he did on purpose.... When he then fought him the second time he didn't get caught besides for his shadow clone who did on purpose again... Sasuke did on purpose...... Izanami is a genjutsu that works by manipulating the opponents senses, and if you think about than Itachi was killed twice by Kabuto, and had it not been for Edo Tensei he would be dead. If he try that on Minato than he is dead. Finger genjutsu is weak, as seen when Naruto was close, at breaking it, despite Naruto not having any talent in genjutsu or genjutsu release. There is not a single battle where we have seen Itachi fight where he haven't fought close combat with his opponent, if he does that with Minato than he is death, remember you can avoid eye contact, but to avoid touch against and opponent as fast as Minato is nearly impossible. Also, you only look, at Itachi's abillities and how his opponent's can not counter them well, you also need to look at, how Itachi can counter his opponents jutsu
He fought KCM Naruto and Bee in a 2v1 and handled both of them with taijutsu no difficulty
Your questions have been answered you just seem to be fixated on going back and forth which is why I said GG
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Well Ay was in shock when being caught in genjutsu by Madara, saying that of all peoble him to be caught by genjutsu, because of his great speed. Ay was to fast to be caught by Sasuke's sharingan genjutsu when they fought. Tobirama defeated Izuna with Flying Thunder God Slash, i'm hundred procent sure the Izuna was a good genjutsu user. Hashirama defeated Madara who is prob on Itachi's level when it comes to genjutsu. So why should Minato not be able to counter Itachis genjutsu?