[Discussion] my 2 cents on mukuton

[Meowazziel]

I get that, but again. How does that change what I said about the hole in his theory. All chakra has yin/yang in it and hashi's cell reacted to Naruto's chakra (more yang) and the Uchia chakra Danzo was using (more yin).

You say all chakra attacks have yin and yang and call it your theory, but it is a fact from the manga, that all chakra attacks have yin and yang. Its part of my theory as well. So I dont understand what is your critisism and where is the hole in my posts?

 

[Draxus]

You say all chakra attacks have yin and yang and call it your theory, but it is a fact from the manga, that all chakra attacks have yin and yang. Its part of my theory as well. So I dont understand what is your critisism and where is the hole in my posts?

No, my theory is that Mukoton has an element of senjutsu to it. I didn't say anything about your posts, I was talking about OP's theory.

 

[Meowazziel]

No, my theory is that Mukoton has an element of senjutsu to it. I didn't say anything about your posts, I was talking about OP's theory.

True, you said ''his'' theory. I misread. Sorry.
I wasnt wearing my glasses =D. Hmm, that element of senjutsu in Mokuton sounds plausible.

 

[Bansho Tenin]

Where was it ever stated that Danzo had Shisui's arm? He had his eye in his right eye....

 

[Meowazziel]

Where was it ever stated that Danzo had Shisui's arm? He had his eye in his right eye....

Well it was not said directly, but Ao said he saw Shisui's chakra color in Danzo his right eye and arm, so possibly he had his arm.

 

[osba]

Don't confuse Hashi's cells with his release, they aren't the same thing.

Hashirama's cells take over because they absorb too much nature energy and turn the person into a tree. Just like too much natural energy could turn naruto into a toad then stone.

this might be the case yes.. but then the senjutsu should be the thing feeding yamato's jutsu too..it might be that senjutsu feeds the mukuton it's chakra though.. intresting

oh and guys, let me make clear, my voice is worth as much as yours... i might be wrong on this.. hence this is a discussion thread not a theory

 

[Naruto1217]

What do you think about this?:

Mukuton takes water and earth manipulation.. not because it is required to "make" the mukuton but Rather to nourish it! it might work the same as those insect dudes!
Yin/Yang release is required to make it grow as fast as it does
Now i know what Yamato said about it.. but don't you think he might have oversimplified it to make it understandable to Naruto?
Seeing how Naruto can make mukuton grow with his chakra, it made me wonder and now i think this is the answer
It would also explain why when orochimaru tried to create someone that can use mukuton, it would deflect the body..

Yamato's lack of yang energy made it possible to use this jutsu without it taking over his body.. it could not reproduce, it could only grow
When a plant grows vegitative it grows no leaves or new twigs.. when it grows generative it will create twigs and leaves and flowers to create offspring.. -
a plant goes into generative mode When it feels bad.. say is has too little water or it has little food or the temperature is too low, it will go into generative mode.. when it feels great it stays vegetative

I think the yin energy can balance the "mindset" of the mukuton and make it grow accordingly

It's an excellent theory. Not quite sure it's true though. Did they say Mukuton(wood element) is a Kekke Genkai. And Kekke Genkai are made by the combination of 2 elements. In this case Wood is made by the combination of Earth and Water. You would need those two specific elements to create Wood element. Thats the reason why not everyone can make it. It's like from the 3rd Shippuden movie(when the main villian was stealing people's Kekke Genkai through his Chimara experiments). In order to have that specific Kekke Genkai, you would need to have those specific elements in order to complete it(unless of course you are able to seal it in some way like the Sharingan). It's like the Sharingan, yes you need to be Uchiha Blood and there are other requirements; however, You need to have an affinity for both Fire and Lighting. Those are the two elements used to create it(at least thats as far as I know). :headband:

 

[Draxus]

this might be the case yes.. but then the senjutsu should be the thing feeding yamato's jutsu too..it might be that senjutsu feeds the mukuton it's chakra though.. intresting

oh and guys, let me make clear, my voice is worth as much as yours... i might be wrong on this.. hence this is a discussion thread not a theory

100% no one can say there theory is more correct.

The way I think it works with Yamamoto is that he unconsciously uses a small amount of senjutsu since he has hashi-dna. That's why his mukoton is different from Hashi's because he doesn't have actual hashi-cells. I feel Hashirama is kinda like Jugo and his clan, his body naturally absorbs senjutsu.

 

[osba]

100% no one can say there theory is more correct.

The way I think it works with Yamamoto is that he unconsciously uses a small amount of senjutsu since he has hashi-dna. That's why his mukoton is different from Hashi's because he doesn't have actual hashi-cells. I feel Hashirama is kinda like Jugo and his clan, his body naturally absorbs senjutsu.

No, in order for it to be truth it would have to had been stated in the manga, further more all chakra had yin/yang energy so your basically saying contact with any ones chakra based attack would make it grow.

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naruto's chakra was capable of feeding it too though..
maybe the senjutsu is mukuton gathering nature energy to nourish it for the freakishly huge statues we have seen created by hashirama
it would also explain why he doesn't just uses it whenever it pleases him because the mukuton could take over if he lets it gain too much power..

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

obito has the rinnegan.. he can use any element.. but that's off the point the reason obito could use wood-like techniques is because he has zetsu cells.. zetsu is derrived from the gedo mazo (wich is made out of wood)

uhh.. no..

Zetsu is derrived from that hashirama tree thing that madara made.. where yamato implanted into too.. gedou mazou was used to empower it. it was meditating on top of it.
Gedou mazou isn't made from wood..
Gedou mazou is juubi's body.

 

[osba]

uhh.. no..

Zetsu is derrived from that hashirama tree thing that madara made.. where yamato implanted into too.. gedou mazou was used to empower it. it was meditating on top of it.
Gedou mazou isn't made from wood..
Gedou mazou is juubi's body.

gedou mazou is made of mukuton, zetsu is indeed derrived from hashirama's cells like you said though.. i already said i mistaken myself if you wouldve read just a bit further you wouldve noticed

 

[altaire uchiha]

Well it was not said directly, but Ao said he saw Shisui's chakra color in Danzo his right eye and arm, so possibly he had his arm.

The arm was made of hashi cells. Wasnt a real arm. It was white.

 

[FearxDeath]

1: true, but the amount varies and this is not really a jutsu imo.. more of a growing thingy
2: yamato does lack yang energy, 'tis why he couldn't make his mukuton actually live and sprout flowers etc..
3: it has been shown that the yang was what gave yamato's mukuton life.. yin is merely used to control what it does.. if you have yin like yamato you can make it grow wherever you want it to grow but if you have yang you could actually breathe life into it.
you are looking at it the wrong way.. see mukuton as a plant and then it makes sence.. don't look at it like it's a jutsu.
i know that kakashi said it that way.. but that could have just as good been to make it simpler to understand for naruto..
if it was merely a jutsu, the cells shouldn't have just taken over bodies like hashirama's did...

1) Agreed
2) No no no, the reason he couldnt make life and sprout flower is because he isnt as skilled as Hashirama. This is the same reason why Sasuke cant make a Giant Susan'o like Madara can. We can start confusing KKG with Raw Talent.
3) "it has been shown that the yang was what gave yamato's mukuton life.. " is there anyway you can link me to a scan that shows this?
4) "i know that kakashi said it that way.. but that could have just as good been to make it simpler to understand for naruto.." Sigh... I hate theories were we have to go into it believing a Character has lied or misled us x__x
5) "the cells shouldn't have just taken over bodies like hashirama's did..." If your talking about Danzo you should keep 2 things in mind. 1) Hashirama's cells had been experimented in order to extend Izangi which could have caused then to take over his body when he is low on chakra as a side effect. Idk, I remember a scan saying that Hashirama's cell were abundant in life force, which is just another word for Yang Energy. But idk... You make a good point, but I just disagree.

 

[osba]

1) Agreed
2) No no no, the reason he couldnt make life and sprout flower is because he isnt as skilled as Hashirama. This is the same reason why Sasuke cant make a Giant Susan'o like Madara can. We can start confusing KKG with Raw Talent.
3) "it has been shown that the yang was what gave yamato's mukuton life.. " is there anyway you can link me to a scan that shows this?
4) "i know that kakashi said it that way.. but that could have just as good been to make it simpler to understand for naruto.." Sigh... I hate theories were we have to go into it believing a Character has lied or misled us x__x
5) "the cells shouldn't have just taken over bodies like hashirama's did..." If your talking about Danzo you should keep 2 things in mind. 1) Hashirama's cells had been experimented in order to extend Izangi which could have caused then to take over his body when he is low on chakra as a side effect. Idk, I remember a scan saying that Hashirama's cell were abundant in life force, which is just another word for Yang Energy. But idk... You make a good point, but I just disagree.

Yeah i have been thinking about the yin/yang chakra parts and maybe it can accumulate energy and turn it into nature energy?

Remember though, this is not a theory

"Sigh... I hate theories were we have to go into it believing a Character has lied or misled us x__x"
'tis your arguement on the 33% yin 33% yang 33% nature graph teehee

i wasn't talking just about danzo.. yamato was the only surviving baby from orochimaru's experiments with mukuton

good points overall but nothing new for the moment.. hhm maybe i will make a new thread about this with my current theory ^.^