[Discussion] my 2 cents on mukuton

[osba]

What do you think about this?:

Mukuton takes water and earth manipulation.. not because it is required to "make" the mukuton but Rather to nourish it! it might work the same as those insect dudes!
Yin/Yang release is required to make it grow as fast as it does
Now i know what Yamato said about it.. but don't you think he might have oversimplified it to make it understandable to Naruto?
Seeing how Naruto can make mukuton grow with his chakra, it made me wonder and now i think this is the answer
It would also explain why when orochimaru tried to create someone that can use mukuton, it would deflect the body..

Yamato's lack of yang energy made it possible to use this jutsu without it taking over his body.. it could not reproduce, it could only grow
When a plant grows vegitative it grows no leaves or new twigs.. when it grows generative it will create twigs and leaves and flowers to create offspring.. -
a plant goes into generative mode When it feels bad.. say is has too little water or it has little food or the temperature is too low, it will go into generative mode.. when it feels great it stays vegetative

I think the yin energy can balance the "mindset" of the mukuton and make it grow accordingly

 

[foxyladyland]

sure but hashirama never uses water jutsu, however tobirama does.. madara didn't use water either when he did it..
um... who knows... irl it does.. ^_^ RAMA weeeeeeeee:bouncy:

 

[osba]

sure but hashirama never uses water jutsu, however tobirama does.. madara didn't use water either when he did it..
um... who knows... irl it does.. ^_^ RAMA weeeeeeeee:bouncy:

when yamato explained he taught naruto that it takes water and earth elemental mastery

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Does obito know how to use suiton????

 

[osba]

Does obito know how to use suiton????

obito has the rinnegan.. he can use any element.. but that's off the point the reason obito could use wood-like techniques is because he has zetsu cells.. zetsu is derrived from the gedo mazo (wich is made out of wood)

 

[The Western Wheel]

Good point on Yamato...

 

[osba]

Good point on Yamato...

when a plant grows vegitative it grows no leaves or new twigs.. when it grows generative it will create twigs and leaves and flowers to create offspring.. i think the yin energy can balance the "mindset" of the mukuton and make it grow accordingly

 

[Everztar]

water, earth and a strong life force!

 

[Meowazziel]

So basically, because Yamato has weak yang energy and strong yin, he can withstand the Mokuton?
Do I understand it correctly? Basically having to much yang energy, makes the Mokuton swallow you whole?

Hashirama his strongest chakra is yang right and not yin?
Or he does not have any danger of losing control and getting eaten by the Mokuton cause they are his own cells?

I am a bit confused now.

Danzo had high Yin due to Shisui's arm and all the sharingan and was save until his chakra's dropped significantly+wounds and than the Mokuton started to take over his body (he had enough yang to be swallowed whole)?? Would this be correct?

 

[osba]

So basically, because Yamato has weak yang energy and strong yin, he can withstand the Mokuton?
Do I understand it correctly? Basically having to much yang energy, makes the Mokuton swallow you whole?

Hashirama his strongest chakra is yang right and not yin?
Or he does not have any danger of losing control and getting eaten by the Mokuton cause they are his own cells?

I am a bit confused now.

he is prolly amazing at chakra control seeing he can use a sage mode, and thus can keep it at bay
don't forget that he is a beast too.. he was capable of resisting edo tensei. .something even nagato wasn't capable of..

 

[Meowazziel]

he is prolly amazing at chakra controll and thus can keep it at tone

Danzo had high Yin due to Shisui's arm and all the sharingan and was save until his chakra's dropped significantly+wounds and than the Mokuton started to take over his body (he had enough yang to be swallowed whole)?? Would this be correct?

 

[osba]

Danzo had high Yin due to Shisui's arm and all the sharingan and was save until his chakra's dropped significantly+wounds and than the Mokuton started to take over his body (he had enough yang to be swallowed whole)?? Would this be correct?

yup... didn't even think about danzo

 

[Meowazziel]

yup... didn't even think about danzo

he is prolly amazing at chakra control seeing he can use a sage mode, and thus can keep it at bay
don't forget that he is a beast too.. he was capable of resisting edo tensei. .something even nagato wasn't capable of..

That clears it all up for me. Nice.
Good theory.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Madara has Yang power but he didn't turn into a tree, i think the key to it all is balance, once you balance the water + earth and yang in accordance the user can use mokuton to maddy and hashirama scale,

 

[Meowazziel]

Madara has Yang power but he didn't turn into a tree, i think the key to it all is balance, once you balance the water + earth and yang in accordance the user can use mokuton to maddy and hashirama scale,

Yeah but babies cant, so they died.
Yamato couldnt balance it either, cause he was a baby, so some other reason needs to exist why he survived.
Lack of yang and having a high yin to balance it out, sounds like a good theory for how he survived.
I agree with your reasoning why Madara can survive btw.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Yeah but babies cant, so they died.
Yamato couldnt balance it either, cause he was a baby, so some other reason needs to exist why he survived.
Lack of yang and having a high yin to balance it out, sounds like a good theory for how he survived.
I agree with your reasoning why Madara can survive btw.

was it explained that they were babies or kids??

second, Madara stated when he had senju dna nothing happened at first, could be with the kids or babies, nothing happened first then later on tragedy struck..

maybe Yin made up for yang or he could have been a case of chance that he survived

 

[osba]

Yeah but babies cant, so they died.
Yamato couldnt balance it either, cause he was a baby, so some other reason needs to exist why he survived.
Lack of yang and having a high yin to balance it out, sounds like a good theory for how he survived.
I agree with your reasoning why Madara can survive btw.

it would also explain why hashirama's cells are a boost...

second, Madara stated when he had senju dna nothing happened at first, could be with the kids or babies, nothing happened first then later on tragedy struck..

exactly, wich is why yamato wasn't taken by orochimaru.. it takes time to hatch or something.. get used to the new person's cells and chakra

 

[Meowazziel]

was it explained that they were babies or kids??

second, Madara stated when he had senju dna nothing happened at first, could be with the kids or babies, nothing happened first then later on tragedy struck..

maybe Yin made up for yang or he could have been a case of chance that he survived

We cant exclude a case of chance that he survived but that wouldnt make for good story material imo. Yeah it was said by Oro that he tested it on newborn/babies/kids. It is around the time where Yamato and Oro meet on that bridge I think.

Yeah nothing happened at first to those babies, kids but after some time tragedy struck indeed.

 

[osba]

We cant exclude a case of chance that he survived but that wouldnt make for good story material imo. Yeah it was said by Oro that he tested it on newborn/babies/kids. It is around the time where Yamato and Oro meet on that bridge I think.

Yeah nothing happened at first to those babies, kids but after some time tragedy struck indeed.

chance doesn't exist

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

We cant exclude a case of chance that he survived but that wouldnt make for good story material imo. Yeah it was said by Oro that he tested it on newborn/babies/kids. It is around the time where Yamato and Oro meet on that bridge I think.

Yeah nothing happened at first to those babies, kids but after some time tragedy struck indeed.

chance doesn't exist

Obito proved chance works ;D

Maybe Yamato just survived,, also we don't know his clan either,