Minato is a superior version of Tobirama

[Draphsin]

Dude givng FTG simply can't make u strong u should be skilled enough to use it efficently......!

What is the point of having FTG if u can't manage that speed....?

What is the point of havng FTG if u can't use it properly...?

Havng teleportation dosent mean u can dodge any attack regardless of speed of the opponent unless u have considerable reaction speed and reflexes....!

Naruto injurng his leg after hitng Kisame is an example......!

Those 3 bodyguards of Minato would have became one of the strongest team by ur logic....!

You're telling me that tobirama is not skilled with the jutsu that he invented? The three jounin dont count because they need to be making contact in order to teleport. That skill is highly impractical in battle but if they all knew FTG individually then they would not be fodder & that's for sure.

Minato also praised tobirama's reflexes, therefore kishi is implying that tobirama's reflexes are comparable to minato's.

 

[Avinash012]

Look at the size of the bombs

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. They would cover the entire battlefield, what I'm saying is that minato cant teleport to the kunai because he will still be caught in the explosion.

As u already said Minato's Kunai wil be pushed away from main BF with Tobirama's highlevel water attack.....

Let us say that distence b/w main BF and Kunai is 300 meters ....

If Minato is able to Teleport that far from original blast ....it can't hurt him that much isn't it...!

 

[Avinash012]

You're telling me that tobirama is not skilled with the jutsu that he invented? The three jounin dont count because they need to be making contact in order to teleport. That skill is highly impractical in battle but if they all knew FTG individually then they would not be fodder & that's for sure.

Minato also praised tobirama's reflexes, therefore kishi is implying that tobirama's reflexes are comparable to minato's.

Dude where did u get that Tobirama thing...?
I didn't mentioned a single thing about Tobirama in my post........!

U said that anyone with FTG can make it in Top tier list....right..?

Let us consieder choji as an example and give him FTG .....

If Kakshi suddenly charges at Choji...

Can Choji escape from Kakashi with his FTG...?

Can Choji able to react to Kakashi's speed...?

that's what my point here

The fact that Tobirama and Minato are the only one's to be able to use that jutsu perfectly wil prove that...!

Consider the fight B/W Minato and Obito.....

Minato's reaction time is fast enough to escape from Obito while Obito is dragng him but Obito's Reaction speed isn't enough to escape Minato's attack ...

Actually Obito is able to notice Minato's move but he simply not fast enough to use s/t jutsu to counter Minato's attack.....

That's what happen if ur not skilled enough to use a Jutsu...........!

 

[Touken]

Dude where did u get that Tobirama thing...?
I didn't mentioned a single thing about Tobirama in my post........!

U said that anyone with FTG can make it in Top tier list....right..?

Let us consieder choji as an example and give him FTG .....

If Kakshi suddenly charges at Choji...

Can Choji escape from Kakashi with his FTG...?

Can Choji able to react to Kakashi's speed...?

that's what my point here

The fact that Tobirama and Minato are the only one's to be able to use that jutsu perfectly wil prove that...!

Consider the fight B/W Minato and Obito.....

Minato's reaction time is fast enough to escape from Obito while Obito is dragng him but Obito's Reaction speed isn't enough to escape Minato's attack ...

Actually Obito is able to notice Minato's move but he simply not fast enough to use s/t jutsu to counter Minato's attack.....

That's what happen if ur not skilled enough to use a Jutsu...........!

Woah, are you impying Tobirama isn't skilled enough to use FTG?

From what I've seen, his reactions = Minato's.

 

[Draphsin]

Woah, are you impying Tobirama isn't skilled enough to use FTG?

From what I've seen, his reactions = Minato's.

Basically this...U_U

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Alright guys, i think i let you(Tobirama fans particularly) enough time to enjoy, right? Now let me debunk to you with detailed analysis why Minato is still a superior version of Tobirama

1- It's already a mangafact that Minato has

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over Tobirama U_U

2-

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complimented

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over their quickness to act, so it's safe to assume that they have comparable reflexes, even illustrated

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. I do believe however that Minato still has the most impressive feats and hype in this category(compared to Raikage's reflexive speed in lightning armor and surpassed him by on-panel feats) U_U

3- Both have FTG, but Tobirama's use is too limited. Having no marked kunais, he can't teleport freely over the battlefield(on spread markings) like Minato can, which makes his use of FTG limited and thus can never really surprise an opponent except if he manages to mark him in close combat U_U

4- Tobirama's use of FTG is also limited to the fact that he can't teleport people

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like Minato can U_U

5- Minato also has more FTG variants:

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(teleport to a moving marking) or hax defensive

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U_U

6-

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have

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U_U

7- Tobirama has suiton? That's good, but we have yet to see Minato's

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he tried to add to his rasengan(would be laughable if it's suiton as well Lol) U_U

8- Tobirama has Edo-tensei? Nice, but it is too weak compared to the current era(Orochimaru's or Kabuto's), reason why it was mainly used for kamikaze attempts during missions. Minato's contract seal also even forbid him in the possibility of summoning it at all U_U

I think it's all we know concerning Tobirama so far?

And Minato still has:

- Rasengan(

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, basically

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) U_U

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coming from the Uzumaki clan some of them taught by his wife Kushina, others being variations(Shiki fujin, Hakke fuin, Shishou fuin and so on). U_U

- Great and powerful summoning toads who are arguably the best summons in the manga(they are well-versed in terms of ninjutsu, genjutsu and powerful taijutsu). U_U

- We also have yet to see his Rasen chourinbu kousanshiki he loudly talk about since these past few chapters U_U

So how is Tobirama stronger than Minato again?

PS: No flaming please. I like Tobirama as well U_U

1. Yes either that or it's his FTG that's superior since Rin also referred to FTG as body flicker.

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2. Yes

3. Actually, direct marks on the ground is easier to surprise an enemy than kunais, which are clearly visible, however, this means Tobirama requires significant prep time while Minato doesn't, making him vulnerable to blitz.

4. No proof of that.

5. Something some don't take into consideration when they're pitted against one another. Space-time barrier renders water style useless.

6. Yep

7. It's clearly not part of Minato's main style, so it's not likely to be significant.

8. Yes.

 

[Percy Jackson]

You made edo tensei seem like a fodder jutsu, edo tensei bombs >>>>> rasengan & summonings. They have similar reflexes & speed (we havent seen tobirama's full reflexes but the fact that minato complimented him on it must mean that kishi is implying something). Minato has faster shunshin yes but tell me how that helps him get close to tobirama when he can teleport too?

Minato has kunai? well you just downplayed another one of tobirama's feats which is suiton, his suiton will be enough to wash away any surrounding kunai if his edo bombs dont do it first.

All in all, minato only has rasengan, a frog, & kunai to kill with, & no notable sealing feats which make him the winner. tobirama has bombs, water, & a sowrd if you want to count it. Tobirama's arsenal is more deadly on a practical scale while minato has to be more precise when planning out his attacks.

Tobirama has the power & experience advantage, their reflexes are basically equal, & minato has faster shunshin.

Imo it can easily go either way, tobirama=minato without fanboying U_U.

Nice explanation. But I can't give more "+ rep" at the moment.

 

[Penguin]

Nice explanation. But I can't give more "+ rep" at the moment.

I don't think 1 rep will help or hurt him.

 

[ajpn920]

I agree. Minato is indeed the superior version of Tobirama. What Tobirama showed us is the level 1 version of Minato's FTG. Any offensive move by Tobirama will be rendered useless because of space time barrier. The main factor here is who can tag first which Minato has an advantage because of his superb shunshin. Also, Minato's summon is a huge advantage. Until proven otherwise, Minato can summon all inhabitants of Mt. Myobokou which means he can summon Ma and Pa and others. The toad sages as we know can perform Gamarinsho. Not to mention the rasen senkou jutsu is still on hold. I bet it is a devastating jutsu..Minato>Tobirama.

 

[S A G E]

Meh this is an unfair comparison since we are still getting to know all of tobirama's feat, unlike Minato in which we almost knew all there is to know. However what we have seen so far they are about in the same league. If we are comparing Minato without Kcm, Tobirama's curren feats already outclasses him.

Also when Tobirama will show more amazing feats (hoping to see godly suiton attacks), the possibility of him outclassing Minato is not out of the window. Let's just wait now shall we before jumping into conclusions since we might get another surprise just like what we got on Obito becoming the juubi jin, in which you made a thread before dismissing him after he seemingly lost to kakashi and you assumed he wasn't a good shinobi to begin with. I don't want to see you chewing your words a second time.

 

[Trollasaur]

Tobirama=Minato

 

[RNITBmsage]

minato is fodder in tobiramas presence

 

[Sygris]

minato >> tobirama

 

[BenjerminGaye]

TL;DR
I agree completely. Always love a minato praise thread. Tobirama just can't compare.

 

[BloodSeed]

in a next few chapters we will be enlightened why hiruzen feared the 3rd coffin containing the fourth more than the senju brothers

 

[BenjerminGaye]

in a next few chapters we will be enlightened why hiruzen feared the 3rd coffin containing the fourth more than the senju brothers

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/thread.

 

[adeshina365]

Bogard fanboying Minato, nothing new...

 

[Avinash012]

Woah, are you impying Tobirama isn't skilled enough to use FTG?

From what I've seen, his reactions = Minato's.

Dude ru mad ....!
u didn't understand a single thing what I have mentioned ....!


I didn't compare Tobirama and Minato in my post.......

Iam actually sayng that no other Shinobi can use FTG as accuratly as Minato and Tobirama....

Draphsin said that "if u give FTG to any ninja in NV he can easily make it in top list "

that's y I said that one should be skilled enough to use FTG and one can't make it in top list Just bcoz he knw how to use it...!

 

[Sennin of Logic]

You made edo tensei seem like a fodder jutsu, edo tensei bombs >>>>> rasengan & summonings. They have similar reflexes & speed (we havent seen tobirama's full reflexes but the fact that minato complimented him on it must mean that kishi is implying something). Minato has faster shunshin yes but tell me how that helps him get close to tobirama when he can teleport too?

Minato has kunai? well you just downplayed another one of tobirama's feats which is suiton, his suiton will be enough to wash away any surrounding kunai if his edo bombs dont do it first.

All in all, minato only has rasengan, a frog, & kunai to kill with, & no notable sealing feats which make him the winner. tobirama has bombs, water, & a sowrd if you want to count it. Tobirama's arsenal is more deadly on a practical scale while minato has to be more precise when planning out his attacks.

Tobirama has the power & experience advantage, their reflexes are basically equal, & minato has faster shunshin.

Imo it can easily go either way, tobirama=minato without fanboying U_U.

Water style's useless against Minato's kunai.

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See Minato near there? This means he doesn't have to touch object to teleport them away. This means water style would be teleporte to another location as it reaches his kuani (I'm assuming that's how he does it, he'd be ultr op otherwise).

While edo tensei has more power than rasnengan, I'm not certain about Gamabunta. He did manage to counter some of the Shukaku's attacks after all. However, Tobirama's edo tesnei cannot be better then the one that Orochimaru used against Hiruzen, and if you recall, they weren't reanimated anywhere near full strength. On top of that, their reactions became slow since Hiruzen was able to outclass both in taijutsu. This means Minato probably has time to react before Tobirama uses suicide jutsus. Also, reverse contract seal does wonders.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Kishi ruined both characters by making them both have ftg. Anyway i cant really judge with how much we have seen