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I didn't know that my homeland included Mexico and Canada. I wonder how many incidents they have helped in the USA only or are they afraid to tell us....

NSA, providing security to everyone but the American people.

While defending the NSA’s massive spying programs during a Wednesday briefing, Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) held up an NSA chart identifying the “Homeland” as the United States…Canada and Mexico.

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You may also be surprised to learn that our homeland now includes both Mexico and Canada, two areas that we understood to be autonomous nations that are not part of the United States. Normally, this would be written off as a design goof, as one of the NSA’s (newly adept) graphics guys using a little more light blue than he ought.

This being the NSA, we’re not inclined to offer that benefit of the doubt. Is this a way of blending in Canadian and Mexican terror activity disruptions (which, we’ll remind you, is different from actual plots interrupted) to give a larger sense of the NSA’s success at halting terrorism within our borders?

We don’t and can’t know, of course, since the information about almost all of these 54 events is classified. Just know that the homeland is safe — be it Tampa, Toronto, or Tijuana — and that it’s all thanks to the NSA.

 

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I'll be frank.

I don't understand what this means, and I'm too lazy to read all dat text and watch video.
 

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So South America doesn't even count and Russia is a part of Asia? Ok then.
 

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So South America doesn't even count and Russia is a part of Asia? Ok then.

I think this is their thoughts:
South America.... What is that? Isn't that where all of those drug lords come from? Ah well no problems down there. Now those Russians, we can't let them be a European since we like the Europeans so we are making them a vile asian, no one likes asians.
 

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Their is a reason why Terrorist are after the United States. We are killing them off without due process of the law. Yes, United States believe in such and would abide by the rules. However, the Terrorist is not a human-being and would be alienated (exterminated) to prevent unknown harm and catastrophe which would cause World War III. :|


We are sick people and need help. u_u

I was off-topic but you get me drift. Everyone knows what each-other is doing. We are not so divided than you think. We look to others to survive off of because we know what the other is capable off. Apparently, we the others and other know nothing of neither, so they are only paranoid.
 
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Their is a reason why Terrorist are after the United States. We are killing them off without due process of the law. Yes, United States believe in such and would abide by the rules. However, the Terrorist is not a human-being and would be alienated (exterminated) to prevent unknown harm and catastrophe which would cause World War III. :|


We are sick people and need help. u_u

Adding: The terrorist who's after the usa can be found domestically. Not in an Asian country, not in an arabice country, not in the southern hemisphere of America nor Russia.
 

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No terrorest has ever attacked the U.S.

the U.S. has attacked itself several times now to promote war, 3 skyscrapers in the HISTORY OF MANKIND have colapsed from fires and ALL 3 happend on 9/11 look it up . it is IMPOSSIBLE for jet fuel to melt steel
google that too
 

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No terrorest has ever attacked the U.S.

the U.S. has attacked itself several times now to promote war, 3 skyscrapers in the HISTORY OF MANKIND have colapsed from fires and ALL 3 happend on 9/11 look it up . it is IMPOSSIBLE for jet fuel to melt steel
google that too

Yep.
 

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No terrorest has ever attacked the U.S.

the U.S. has attacked itself several times now to promote war, 3 skyscrapers in the HISTORY OF MANKIND have colapsed from fires and ALL 3 happend on 9/11 look it up . it is IMPOSSIBLE for jet fuel to melt steel
google that too

Yep.

What you are saying is distractions, correct? However, to political's, this distraction was fabricated who a huge scale, ambling them and United States to focus their winnings on something else and feeble minds such as the media and citizens to "cry" over the tragic.

PS: The something else is what many are trying to figure out. It could not be proven, thus political's could sleep comfortably. Or it could be just some conspiracy theory people made up to left the sadness and thoughts from the deaths of many family and friends.
 

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I am a Canadian and I'm disgusted by the Western World.. this NSA Security Breaching "Scandal" is horrid and unjustifiable. It is against American and Canadian Law [I'm not sure about Mexico's Constitution and Bill of Rights].. The terrorists are not as big an issue as the government make it out to be.. Nazi Germany was a bigger threat, the Soviet Union was just as big, if not bigger.. I'm not 100% sure but I don't believe that the US/Canadian/Mexican Government initiated basically a full-out lockdown on privacy.. Here I thought, prior to the reveal of all this, that Canada is an uncorrupted, near "all-good" country..
 

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No terrorest has ever attacked the U.S.

the U.S. has attacked itself several times now to promote war, 3 skyscrapers in the HISTORY OF MANKIND have colapsed from fires and ALL 3 happend on 9/11 look it up . it is IMPOSSIBLE for jet fuel to melt steel
google that too
Don't need to melt steel, only weaken it to the point that it cannot hold up the weight being put onto it.
I am a Canadian and I'm disgusted by the Western World.. this NSA Security Breaching "Scandal" is horrid and unjustifiable. It is against American and Canadian Law [I'm not sure about Mexico's Constitution and Bill of Rights].. The terrorists are not as big an issue as the government make it out to be.. Nazi Germany was a bigger threat, the Soviet Union was just as big, if not bigger.. I'm not 100% sure but I don't believe that the US/Canadian/Mexican Government initiated basically a full-out lockdown on privacy.. Here I thought, prior to the reveal of all this, that Canada is an uncorrupted, near "all-good" country..


Governments are the cause of most un-natural deaths in the 20th and 21st century.
 

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No terrorest has ever attacked the U.S.

the U.S. has attacked itself several times now to promote war, 3 skyscrapers in the HISTORY OF MANKIND have colapsed from fires and ALL 3 happend on 9/11 look it up . it is IMPOSSIBLE for jet fuel to melt steel
google that too

It's quite possible for jet fuel to melt steel.

"Rabble-Rabble, Aim you don't know what you're talking about."

Yes, I do.

Not only did I grow up walking around a factory with my father and learning about metals and their tolerances, I also have spent considerable time studying and working within the aviation field.

We use titanium and special nickel alloys in the construction of jet engines. Tines on the turbine aft of the combustion chamber are 'hollow' and have tiny holes drilled in them, through which cold air is forced through. This is necessary to cool the engines, else the materials they are made of will fail.

Temperatures of open-air combustion will be a little lower, as the fuel/air mixture is not quite as ideal - but it is still more than hot enough to bring steel to a mere 40% of its tensile strength. Further, design compromises made in the actual construction of the towers (as opposed to the ordered design) include mere bolting of joists rather than a full weld of those joists. Bolts, my friend, are designed to sheer at certain applied forces. Heating the bolts outside their rated tolerances (which most certainly happened) will, often, lower these sheering points, considerably.

Many people actually destroy equipment by replacing bolts and other "cheap" parts with 'better' parts. The reality is that those parts are designed as weak-links intentionally to protect the more complex and difficult to repair/maintain parts from damage. A brass worm gear, replaced with a steel worm gear, can cause severe damage to an engine or cause the drive shaft to snap, rather than simply stripping a gear down.

That all said - the NSA is operating under a huge fallacy.

That is the fallacy and delusion that "because I have more information, I can make better decisions." It's the fallacy of big data. You can collect all the information you want to from the Internet - it's not going to help capture terrorist activity if you have no idea what you are looking for.

And if you do know what you are looking for (through use of human intelligence networks), then "Big Data" is completely unnecessary and you can use much smaller and focused surveillance activities.

The money needs to be spent on better Human Intelligence; "Boots on ground" - rather than trying to re-enact "A beautiful mind" with e-mails strung up around the office, trying to decipher the next terrorist plot.

"M" Put it eloquently for why we still need Human Intelligence Networks:

[video=youtube;ptqoSZgh7q8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptqoSZgh7q8[/video]

Which is what the NSA, FBI, and CIA should be focusing on. Internet monitoring on such a colossal scale cannot catch the real security problems.

It's always been inside informants and undercover operatives who have untrenched mobs and derailed 'cultist' plots to kill tens and dozens of people. Those informants have allowed agencies to focus their resources to target problem areas. Those agents supporting those operatives have ensured success and added assurance to keep informants cooperative (there's nothing worse than being "in enemy territory," aiding that group's 'enemy,' and not having any kind of faith that agents/operatives will try to pull you out of hot water).

When we stripped funding from the CIA (because they also kept tabs on our politicians through the Cold War...) and other Human Intelligence networks following the collapse of the USSR - we lost huge portions of those networks. We even lost "the art" of building and maintaining those networks - several gaffes over the past decade and a half make that painfully (and shamefully) evident.

Groups like AQ - that we had operatives in up until around 1995, changed without our cultivation of their ranks. Countries we had close ties with went absolutely ape-shit when our networks shriveled and died.

The number of lives lost as a direct consequence of our culling of our intelligence networks number in the hundreds of thousands. Indirectly, it accounts for millions.

Then we get these "new age" 'thinkers' who want to come along and try to solve everything with a computer. As much of a nerd as I can be, and as much as I love computers - that's simply not the case. You must have good human intelligence networks.

I would rather deal with badge-wearing men coming and asking me questions about my neighbor than have some computer algorithm left to sorting through e-mails and phone records to try and figure out who the problem members of society are.
 

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You'll notice Cuba was in blue too. By homeland they were referring to North America which geographically the US is a part of and as such we are always going to be highly watchful of.
We all understand the spy game. Get caught and you get screwed. Give out information and you will go to jail. If there is an intelligence agency in the world that isn't hacking other countries or spying on potential threats then they aren't going their job. That's the point of intelligence. They are supposed to know more than the other countries.
The wikileaks guy and Snowden agreed to keep information secret. They did not do that. They knew what would happen if they got caught. They did it anyway. Now one is going to jail for a long time the other is hiding in Russia until they decide to sell him back to us.
They're lucky. Back in the day they'd line you up and shoot you for that kind of thing.
 
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