Minato is a superior version of Tobirama

[Avinash012]

I guess so, but I seriously doubt it, I can't see a fresh Tobirama getting dropped so quickly in a fight, although that possibility does exist, it's so marginal it's not even worth mentioning.

Wel ,just my openion,,,,,,,,,,,,but in most of cases chakra dosen't matter especially in case of ppl like Minato....

According to Ay(Ay said no one ever could beat Minato ) and Bee(Bee remembering Minato's rasengan) He defeated Ay and Bee(A perfect Jin and considerabully fast and Ay who is on par with Minato in terms of Speed and Bijju level chakra.........Practically 2 Jin's) more than one time which supports my argument ....!

 

[Avinash012]

What Tobirama had done wasn't due to large chakra reserves but due to very powerful chakra.

Big difference.

So u think Naruto's chakra is weaker than Tobirama...?

Kushina's chakra is stronger than any other Ninja in NV does this mean she can beat anyone right...?

 

[Avinash012]

ummmmm no, equal in FTG, for all we know Minato could have copied the marked kunai from Tobirama, we all thought the mark seal was his didn't we, but it turned out that he copied it from Lord Tobirama. Minato has better shunshin thats it, you can argue that kushina taught him more and better seals than what tobirama knows but that is false until proven in the manga. I agree that tobirama needs suiton feats, didn't minato also copy tobiramas senory ability?

U can't copy sensor abilities ..one should born as a sensor to be able to sence others or U should get some kind of pwrup from other's abilities like Madara,Naruto and Kabuto

U can copy the way of sensng like finger sensng..........!

 

[Avinash012]

U rly think Minato the 4th hokage wont jutsu related to his chakra nature ? Pathetic . I bet it is Lighthing

Yes Minato does had an affinity and He originally created Rasengan to combine it with his affinity but we dnt knw what kind of element does Minato had,so there is no need to mention and he is already top tier without any affinity..........

 

[Touken]

So u think Naruto's chakra is weaker than Tobirama...?

Kushina's chakra is stronger than any other Ninja in NV does this mean she can beat anyone right...?

Err, no. Tobirama's chakra > Kushina's.

Tobirama's chakra > Naruto's.

I'm not talking about quantity, I'm talking about the terms of power. Kushina wouldn't be able to crack a wall through chakra alone, nor would Naruto.

 

[Avinash012]

Ill disagree with 4 as i believe it was talking about the hiraishin jutsu overall.

5. hiraishin 'level 2' isn't really a variant, but also im not sure if minato holds more variations. Though you are right bout the barrier.

WHile its confirmed Tobirama is a sensor, i am still skeptical about Minato.

Anyway we have yet to see

FTG level 2 isn't a varient....?

Then what is the point of namng it like that...?

Do u knw when exactly ppl wil use a word called "Level"....?

 

[Avinash012]

Err, no. Tobirama's chakra > Kushina's.

Tobirama's chakra > Naruto's.

I'm not talking about quantity, I'm talking about the terms of power. Kushina wouldn't be able to crack a wall through chakra alone, nor would Naruto.

Learn the meaning of Physical strength and come again....!

Tobirama Senju is a decendent of Sage's 2nd son and Senju are blessed with Sage's Physical strength and spritual Energy.......

Come again when a half dead Tobirama is able to bind a fulpwrd Kyubi with his chakra........!

Kushina born with strongest chakra among Uzumaki and so Naruto.....

Uchiha are said to be blessed with Sage's chakra which Obviously mean that Uchiha's chakra is stronger than senju does that mean Uchiha are stronger than senju isn't it...?

 

[Draphsin]

Lol everyone has explosive tags in his arsenal even genins. You talk about it as if, it was something outstanding in Tobirama's arsenal. It's even arguable that his explosive tag feats come from his Edo tensei body since they were similar by the look of it.

I was referring to his edo tensei bomb attack

I didn't forget Edo tensei, i simply stated facts concerning the technique(OP).

No you didnt, you said that tobirama's edo tensei is weak...Its imperfected yes but that doesnt mean that its weak...It could just require massive amounts of chakra, or he didnt invent sealing tags which gives tobirama full control of their bodies, this still doesnt discredit the fact that he can use edos to bomb the battlefield. Minato cant even get close to an edo without getting obliterated by the bombs, they would explode before minato even gets the chance to do anything.

Concerning suiton, i wonder where would be the use. Not only it could not cover the entire battlefield, but it doesn't stop Minato from using the kunais for teleporting at all

It can cover a large area if we go by a weakened tobirama's feats, he can use his suiton to dislodge the kunai from various positions in the ground (turning the earth into mud, thus washing the kunai away).

I'm sorry but minato's main advantage got completely shattered when tobirama was given edo tensei bombs & FTG, not only can minato not come near him but he cant do anything to counter tobi's jutsus..


Now with all of that being said & no fanboying allowed I'm going to say that they are equal as of right now, however I'm sure that tobi will be given suiton feats to cement his superiority Lol.

 

[Touken]

Learn the meaning of Physical strength and come again....!

Tobirama Senju is a decendent of Sage's 2nd son and Senju are blessed with Sage's Physical strength and spritual Energy.......

Come again when a half dead Tobirama is able to bind a fulpwrd Kyubi with his chakra........!

Kushina born with strongest chakra among Uzumaki and so Naruto.....

Uchiha are said to be blessed with Sage's chakra which Obviously mean that Uchiha's chakra is stronger than senju does that mean Uchiha are stronger than senju isn't it...?

You're not making any sense.

Yes, the Senju were blessed with spiritual energy and that means they were blessed with exceptionally strong chakra. You kinda just proved my point.

 

[Fodder#4]

I agree 100%.

 

[Avinash012]

You're not making any sense.

Yes, the Senju were blessed with spiritual energy and that means they were blessed with exceptionally strong chakra. You kinda just proved my point.

Tobirama break the wall with his physical strength not chakra(speritual + Physical)........!
A person with weak chakra can use high level Jutsu EX: Minato

Half dead Kushina is able to bind a ful powered Kyubi with chakra chains which is imposible for Tobirama's chakra.....
Hashirama(special among Senju) and Uchiha's(Sage's chakra) are the only once that can surpass Kyubi's chakra with thire own chakra besides Kushina...

Kushina and Hashirama are the only one's that can physically bind Kyubi......!

 

[Avinash012]

I was referring to his edo tensei bomb attack



No you didnt, you said that tobirama's edo tensei is weak...Its imperfected yes but that doesnt mean that its weak...It could just require massive amounts of chakra, or he didnt invent sealing tags which gives tobirama full control of their bodies, this still doesnt discredit the fact that he can use edos to bomb the battlefield. Minato cant even get close to an edo without getting obliterated by the bombs, they would explode before minato even gets the chance to do anything.



It can cover a large area if we go by a weakened tobirama's feats, he can use his suiton to dislodge the kunai from various positions in the ground (turning the earth into mud, thus washing the kunai away).

I'm sorry but minato's main advantage got completely shattered when tobirama was given edo tensei bombs & FTG, not only can minato not come near him but he cant do anything to counter tobi's jutsus..


Now with all of that being said & no fanboying allowed I'm going to say that they are equal as of right now, however I'm sure that tobi will be given suiton feats to cement his superiority Lol.

Ur poin does makes sence but u can't say all of Minato's Kunai wil be covered by mud and we have absolutly no proof to say that Minato can't sence them if they covered with a layer of Mud and Minato can atleast use them to escape from attack's like EDO Bombs and Highlevel Waterstyle attacks....Minato can teleport to Hokage face to escape from EDO blast in case he had no Kunai's as u said....!

 

[shogun973]

Water.. edo tensei more chakra... sensor ...sword skills...just as fast level 2... Minato is a weaker version you mean

 

[Draphsin]

Ur poin does makes sence but u can't say all of Minato's Kunai wil be covered by mud and we have absolutly no proof to say that Minato can't sence them if they covered with a layer of Mud and Minato can atleast use them to escape from attack's like EDO Bombs and Highlevel Waterstyle attacks....Minato can teleport to Hokage face to escape from EDO blast in case he had no Kunai's as u said....!

You are misunderstanding my point. Minato's kunai will be washed away because the ground will be weak & unable to hold the kunai for too long, combine that with the force of the water & they will definitely get washed away. Stick a knife slightly in the ground outside & spray it with a hose, you will get what I'm saying after that .

Also I never mentioned that he cant teleport to the kunai, Im saying that the kunai will be washed away, therefore his positions will be ruined, the kunai will be nowhere near tobirama who can spawn water at his feet.

Minato's kunai positions around the battlefield -

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Tobirama spawning water around him, which could easily create the force/pressure in order to dislodge those kunai, look at how shallow they are, even a spray of a hose as I said would easily dislodge them -

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Mianto's kunai strategy is ruined, do you understand or will I have to continue repeating myself? (Not hatin )

 

[Westside]

Kinda funny.
Tobirama showed something that minato has been doing whole manga and now some are saying tobirama > minato.

 

[Draphsin]

Kinda funny.
Tobirama showed something that minato has been doing whole manga and now some are saying tobirama > minato.

FTG has made them equal, Give any ninja FTG & they automatically become top tier.

Tobirama's moveset is also perfect for minato's.

 

[Avinash012]

You are misunderstanding my point. Minato's kunai will be washed away because the ground will be weak & unable to hold the kunai for too long, combine that with the force of the water & they will definitely get washed away. Stick a knife slightly in the ground outside & spray it with a hose, you will get what I'm saying after that .

Also I never mentioned that he cant teleport to the kunai, Im saying that the kunai will be washed away, therefore his positions will be ruined, the kunai will be nowhere near tobirama who can spawn water at his feet.

Minato's kunai positions around the battlefield -

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Tobirama spawning water around him, which could easily create the force/pressure in order to dislodge those kunai, look at how shallow they are, even a spray of a hose as I said would easily dislodge them -

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Mianto's kunai strategy is ruined, do you understand or will I have to continue repeating myself? (Not hatin )

Dude u didn't understand my Point at all.........!

I have already completly agreed to "Kunai washed away from battle field Theory ".......

As we already knw Tobirama's water can't erase FTG seal on Kunai,Right...?

Minato can teleport to the Kunai regardless of distence b/w him and kunai ...isn't it...?

Here my point is Minato can still use those Kunai which are pulled away from BF for Defence purpose ..isn't it....?

If Tobirama used EDO Bomb (larger Impact) Minato can simply teleport to those Kunai to escape from EDO Bomb.....!

He can teleport to those Kunai to avoid long range attacks of Tobirama....!

 

[Avinash012]

FTG has made them equal, Give any ninja FTG & they automatically become top tier.

Tobirama's moveset is also perfect for minato's.

Dude givng FTG simply can't make u strong u should be skilled enough to use it efficently......!

What is the point of having FTG if u can't manage that speed....?

What is the point of havng FTG if u can't use it properly...?

Havng teleportation dosent mean u can dodge any attack regardless of speed of the opponent unless u have considerable reaction speed and reflexes....!

Naruto injurng his leg after hitng Kisame is an example......!

Those 3 bodyguards of Minato would have became one of the strongest team by ur logic....!

 

[Touken]

Dude u didn't understand my Point at all.........!

I have already completly agreed to "Kunai washed away from battle field Theory ".......

As we already knw Tobirama's water can't erase FTG seal on Kunai,Right...?

Minato can teleport to the Kunai regardless of distence b/w him and kunai ...isn't it...?

Here my point is Minato can still use those Kunai which are pulled away from BF for Defence purpose ..isn't it....?

If Tobirama used EDO Bomb (larger Impact) Minato can simply teleport to those Kunai to escape from EDO Bomb.....!

He can teleport to those Kunai to avoid long range attacks of Tobirama....!

True but his offensive attacks would be rendered useless since the kunai would be quite a distance away from Tobirama.

 

[Draphsin]

Dude u didn't understand my Point at all.........!

I have already completly agreed to "Kunai washed away from battle field Theory ".......

Okay sorry, maybe you should quote parts like this so I can easily understand which point you're addressing.

As we already knw Tobirama's water can't erase FTG seal on Kunai,Right...?

Minato can teleport to the Kunai regardless of distence b/w him and kunai ...isn't it...?

Here my point is Minato can still use those Kunai which are pulled away from BF for Defence purpose ..isn't it....?

Yes you are correct he can use them for defense purposes, but the thing is that without those kunai near tobirama then he satnds absolutely no chace at defeating him. How does he get close? How does he even hit tobirama who could have an edo tagged for maneuverability purposes?

If Tobirama used EDO Bomb (larger Impact) Minato can simply teleport to those Kunai to escape from EDO Bomb.....!

He can teleport to those Kunai to avoid long range attacks of Tobirama....!

Look at the size of the bombs

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. They would cover the entire battlefield, what I'm saying is that minato cant teleport to the kunai because he will still be caught in the explosion.