FTG For the Dumb

[raziel777]

With the recent chapter, attention has been given to Tobirama/Minato and FTG. And unfortunately people have been saying the most ridiculous things about FTG and even when confronted with the truth, they'll let their fanboyism blind them. So for once, I'll try and clarify things for those poor souls and for other readers who want to know more about the jutsu.

What is FTG/Hiraishin ?

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It's basically a Space/Time technique that allows you to teleport to a previously marked place.

What FTG is not

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FTG is not about speed. There is no "MInato/Tobirama are faster than xxxx"
Speed = distance/time. S/T jutsus are "instant". Minato/Tobirama don't move when using that technique. How do I know that ? We all know that the fastest thing in the Universe is light, there is no going faster than that. Now let's compare FTG and the speed of light.

Speed of light --> Someone traveling at the speed of light would take 8 minutes to go to the Sun from the Earth

Hiraishin --> if the Sun is marked (lol it's just to demonstrate something) the user would go to the Sun instantly.

See my point

Minato's FTG faster than Tobirama's ??

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NOPE. That point is proven by my "What FTG is not" part. No matter who is using FTG, it'll always be instant. That's cold hard fact. Even the Hokage Guards' Hiraishin is instant. The difference between them and Minato/Tobirama is that they have to be three to use it. So here skills is the issue not FTG.

But Minato copied and perfected it, right ? Tobirama himself said so!!

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NOPE. Tobirama never said Minato perfected his Hiraishin... All he said was that Minato's shunshin was better. Shunshin was how the Hokages got on the background,

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Here we see Minato using his kunai to teleport the TBB then he teleports to where Naruto was. So before that, he was using shunshin to get around the battlefield to mark it. Logic.

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Here we see Tobirama praising Minato's shunshin. Like I said shunshin was what the Hokage used to get to the battlefield, not Hiraishin (because Hiraishin need you to mark the destination and the battlefield had no mark on it...) So it was logical for Tobirama to say Minato was faster since that he got here before them.

Shunshin = body flicker (what Raikage used to dodge Amaterasu; all ninja can use it) First time it was used was when Kakashi blitzed Sasuke and Naruto when they first met in Part 1. It greatly enhances the user's speed, making it seems like the user telepôrted when in fact it's just that they had been running at high speed.

Hiraishin = It's a space/time jutsu. It's not about speed. It's teleportation and it's exclusive to Tobirama and Minato (and fodder guards)

Okay, so to all DBZ fans. Remember when Goku came back after the Frieza Saga ? So he was showing off his new technique "Instant Transmission" (which is a S/T technique) Vegeta first thought he was just moving at high speed (body flicker) and that he could do it too when in fact he was just usinf IT (Hiraishin)

Even so, I keep saying Minato's FTG is better!!!

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Hm maybe. Minato was said to be a genius. He twisted Tobirama's FTG to suit his rapid fighting style. The result is FTG lvl 2. That's the only improvement I've seen so far and even that is not absolute.

FTG lvl 2 is using FTG with the seal applied to a moving object. He used it against Tobi.

Tobirama's FTG has a similar technique but lvl 2 still seems superior. Hiraishingiri.
It's a moving S/T sword slash as far as we can see. So Tobirama's FTG still holds some secrets

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What about the different seals ?

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Minato and Tobirama's seals are different. Why is that so ? I have a theory. Both jutsus are basically the same.
Seal-->Teleportation
But now every ninja can add some twist to a technique. I think that's why their seals are different. Maybe Minato's seal is different to accomodate his lvl 2. We'll know for sure in the future. Or maybe the seal is different because of their chakra ? Every person's chakra is different so maybe it applies for FTG as well, like a signature of some sort

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Thanks for the read guys!

 

[narutorikudoumode]

You couldn't explain it any better than that rep +

 

[Sourc3sys]

Hiraishin --> if the Sun is marked (lol it's just to demonstrate something) the user would go to the Sun instantly.

and how the **** would you know THAT?

Failthread.

 

[Miyata]

you forgot to mention that tobimara has to be touching an object (when he doesnt place a seal on them) for his s/t tech to be affective!!!...but because of the kunai that minato uses it makes his s/t tech more affective and useful in battle.

the fact is that minato's isnt faster, but is indeed better than tobiramas
nice thread though

 

[raziel777]

and how the **** would you know THAT?

Failthread.

Really man ?

Anyway, FTG is instant. No matter how far you have to go. It's a Space/Time jutsu which means it isn't affected by the distance of the teleportation and it's instant...

Minato using FTG to teleport to hit Tobi is as instant as Minato teleporting to his home when baby Naruto was attacked. Distance means nothing to a teleporter..

/failpost

 

[Baka Sennin]

well put.

the main difference between minato and tobirama's ftg is how they use it imo. the technique in itself is the same.

minato uses the ftg kunai to give himself more options, use the kunai to get close and ftg level 2. he also has the space/time barrier.

tobirama seems to use the base marks and a combination of kenjutsu/shunshin, and the swapping technique.

that said we've seen so little of them that it's foolish to say they've showed everything. and the more we see of them the more their styles seem to converge. but the main difference as I said it that minato has the kunai and seems to be faster at shunshin. so in effect he has improved upon tobirama's use of ftg to some extent.

 

[raziel777]

you forgot to mention that tobimara has to be touching an object (when he doesnt place a seal on them) for his s/t tech to be affective!!!...but because of the kunai that minato uses it makes his s/t tech more affective and useful in battle.

nice thread though

You couldn't explain it any better than that rep +

Thanks guys!! Yeah Minato specializes around his FTG to battle as we've seen

 

[Darksharinnegan]

i agree and would like to add that so far minato is faster than tobirama not his ftg is faster its his reflexes and his shunishin as tobirama explain

because teleprting is cool

but teleportingxmoving fast makes you almost unstopable

 

[Sourc3sys]

Anyway, FTG is instant. No matter how far you have to go. It's a Space/Time jutsu which means it isn't affected by the distance of the teleportation and it's instant...

And how you know THAT?!

You bringing no facts. You are ASSUMING. But that's irrelevant.
This thread hasn't proofed ANYTHING. Its just your humble opinion.

 

[-immortal-]

Threads about Minato/Tobirama for the dumb Lol

 

[raziel777]

And how you know THAT?!

You bringing no facts. You are ASSUMING. But that's irrelevant.
This thread hasn't proofed ANYTHING. Its just your humble opinion.

Keep believing what you want. Some people are like that. Go and read facts on narutopedia about hiraishin..

here's some for you

The Flying Thunder God Technique is a technique which allows the user to transport themselves to a given marked location instantaneously.

Space–Time Ninjutsu (時空間忍術, Jikūkan Ninjutsu; English TV "Teleportation Techniques"; Literally meaning "Time–Space Ninja Techniques")[1] are techniques that allow the users to manipulate the space–time continuum. By manipulating a specific point of space, the user can warp anything targeted into a dimensional void and teleport it to another location instantaneously

Keyword ? Instant.

 

[Sourc3sys]

And where in the Manga is this explained? Narutopedia can suck my hairy balls :heh: (jk, they aint hairy)

 

[raziel777]

And where in the Manga is this explained? Narutopedia can suck my hairy balls :heh: (jk, they aint hairy)

It's taken from the databooks. And too much info about your balls.

 

[Blaze Release]

Haha nice thread, especially the name.

Anyway its nice seeing more of hiraishin especially from 2 characters now.

That will show its power, but also its limitations as i seen quiet alot of no limit wank in my time.
Therefore with these chapters we can gauge its effectiveness and clear out misconceptions/wank with scans

 

[Sourc3sys]

It's taken from the databooks. And too much info about your balls.

Post link to the databook. They are big.

 

[AzR]

can say any better than th OP

hiraishin is instant,its a space/time ninjutsu..its mechanism works outside the realm of space time continuum..so the sun thingy sounds possible..

 

[thegame]

I could start by being annoying and tell you, that information can travel faster than the speed of light. And it's not unthinkable, that it will be discovered that physical things can do as well, and thus teleportation. But lets not go into that sort of physics.

As for the thread I disagree. It's not that your points and facts are wrong in this thread. I completely share your view and understand your opinions, however, Kishimoto is writing the manga. However he wishes to define speed, we will have to live by. He has said (through other characters), that Minato is the fastest. Period.

Surely you may define it differently, but it doesn't really matter. It's just a story after all.

 

[H a n]

Thank you for the thread.

 

[ShiroShonen]

Nicely said

 

[jaykuhz]

Thank you, man.