[Theory] [w/Proof] [w/Math] The Uchiha and Senju Clan have low chakra reserves

[Mr Hiru]

A lot of people will bash for sure, but I'm prepared since I have some proofs in here.

Proof of Uchiha/Senju clan members having low reserves of chakra:

You need Physical and Spiritual Energy in equal quantities to mold chakra

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The Sage created the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors. The panel that mention these clans clearly shows the technique "Creation of All things", since the Sage had the two Bloodlines, the Two Clans. This only lends me to think that the ancestors were born with this technique, and that explains why the Elder Son had way better Spiritual Powers, and the Younger had way better Physical Powers.

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This means that he had balanced Spiritual and Physical Energy when he was a single entity. When the ancestors were created, each one was disbalanced.

The Elder Son inherited way more Spiritual Energy, and way less Physical Energy. The Younger Son inherited way more Physical Energy, and way less Spiritual Energy.

First Proof: let's make some maths:

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Chakra Unit = C
Spiritual Energy Unit = S
Phyisical Energy Unit = P

C = S + P

(These are the basis of my first link).

Second Proof: The following link says the next:

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Sage's Energy Distribution = 4 x S + 4 x P = 4 x C = Sage's Chakra Pool

Uchiha's Energy Distribution = 7 x S + P = C + S x 6 = Uchiha's Chakra Pool

Senju's Energy Distribution = S + 7 x P = C + P x 6 = Senju's Chakra Pool

Third Proof (based on first and second):

Obito and Madara's chakra reserves are high. Why these Uchiha have high chakra reserves when I just said Uchiha had low chakra reserves?

Answer: Senju DNA. They both got the balance of the Sage of Six Paths in the moment they put Senju DNA in their respective bodies, so now they have Physical and Spiritual Energy in the same proportions, just as the Sage, so their chakra pool now is extremely large.

Conclusion:

Both Uchiha and Senju have very low chakra pool compared to the Sage, because their respective Phyisical and Spiritual Energy are unbalanced. The difference between them, is that the Senju have chakra with a lot of Physical Energy (that's the reason of why Hashirama has the power to give life with his Mokuton). In the other hand, the Uchiha have chakra with a lot of Spiritual Energy (Reason of why their Genjutsus and Ninjutsus are so strong, they have very low quantity of chakra, but this chakra have very high quality).

 

[thunderthehybrid]

i'm sure that is true.

 

[Unorthodox]

every1 has low chakra pools compared to the sage

 

[thegame]

I don't know, why you copied your post from another thread to make a new thread. I replied to u in the other thread, but I might as well say it here as well:
Your "mathematical" example is useless to judge anyone but the sage's children, as they had wives, who by high chance had a different chakra distribution. And so had many of the people in the clan over time.

So the resemblance from any living Senju/Uchiha to the sages sons is minor, as only half of the DNA is passed on from each. Besides, you don't know which half is passed over.

 

[thunderthehybrid]

I don't know, why you copied your post from another thread to make a new thread. I replied to u in the other thread, but I might as well say it here as well:
Your "mathematical" example is useless to judge anyone but the sage's children, as they had wives, who by high chance had a different chakra distribution. And so had many of the people in the clan over time.

So the resemblance from any living Senju/Uchiha to the sages sons is minor, as only half of the DNA is passed on from each. Besides, you don't know which half is passed over.

this is very true

 

[narutorikudoumode]

actually think about this
normal ninja has 8 s(for spiritual energy) and 8 p(for physical energy)
Members of the senju clan has 8 spiritual energy but has 20 physical energy
Members of the uchiha clan has 20 spiritual energy and 8 physical energy

Just because you have more yin or more yang the only thing you have to do is balance it.
If your theory was true then naruto would have a hard time balancing chakra since he only received kurama yanga chakra.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I don't know, why you copied your post from another thread to make a new thread. I replied to u in the other thread, but I might as well say it here as well:
Your "mathematical" example is useless to judge anyone but the sage's children, as they had wives, who by high chance had a different chakra distribution. And so had many of the people in the clan over time.

So the resemblance from any living Senju/Uchiha to the sages sons is minor, as only half of the DNA is passed on from each. Besides, you don't know which half is passed over.

People normally have both Physical and Spiritual Energies balanced in NV. These two clans were special until now.

You're right for example, about Tsunade.

You're not right when we talk about Hashirama.

 

[Masakari]

Chakra Pools? Meh, I always thought it was just plot-no-jutsu. IE; Close To Death = Friggedy frack, no Chakra left! Oh wait, PLOOT, CHAKRRAAAAA !

Jonins using x3 Katon = "aahhhshieet, low chakra"
Random Konoha 11 uses 10 times as many Katons = "Aight, time to get serious"

 

[Honord Sage]

Uchiha DNA + Senju DNA = Uzumaki DNA. Thus you get the most Chakra.

 

[Prime Rib]

A lot of people will bash for sure, but I'm prepared since I have some proofs in here.

Proof of Uchiha/Senju clan members having low reserves of chakra:

You need Physical and Spiritual Energy in equal quantities to mold chakra

You must be registered for see links

The Sage created the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors. The panel that mention these clans clearly shows the technique "Creation of All things", since the Sage had the two Bloodlines, the Two Clans. This only lends me to think that the ancestors were born with this technique, and that explains why the Elder Son had way better Spiritual Powers, and the Younger had way better Physical Powers.

You must be registered for see links

This means that he had balanced Spiritual and Physical Energy when he was a single entity. When the ancestors were created, each one was disbalanced.

The Elder Son inherited way more Spiritual Energy, and way less Physical Energy. The Younger Son inherited way more Physical Energy, and way less Spiritual Energy.

First Proof: let's make some maths:

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Chakra Unit = C
Spiritual Energy Unit = S
Phyisical Energy Unit = P

C = S + P

(These are the basis of my first link).

Second Proof: The following link says the next:

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Sage's Energy Distribution = 4 x S + 4 x P = 4 x C = Sage's Chakra Pool

Uchiha's Energy Distribution = 7 x S + P = C + S x 6 = Uchiha's Chakra Pool

Senju's Energy Distribution = S + 7 x P = C + P x 6 = Senju's Chakra Pool

Third Proof (based on first and second):

Obito and Madara's chakra reserves are high. Why these Uchiha have high chakra reserves when I just said Uchiha had low chakra reserves?

Answer: Senju DNA. They both got the balance of the Sage of Six Paths in the moment they put Senju DNA in their respective bodies, so now they have Physical and Spiritual Energy in the same proportions, just as the Sage, so their chakra pool now is extremely large.

Conclusion:

Both Uchiha and Senju have very low chakra pool compared to the Sage, because their respective Phyisical and Spiritual Energy are unbalanced. The difference between them, is that the Senju have chakra with a lot of Physical Energy (that's the reason of why Hashirama has the power to give life with his Mokuton). In the other hand, the Uchiha have chakra with a lot of Spiritual Energy (Reason of why their Genjutsus and Ninjutsus are so strong, they have very low quantity of chakra, but this chakra have very high quality).

The Uchiha ancestor and the Senju ancestor only inherited Half of the sage power and chakra

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

They do not have low chakra reserves i have no idea how you eve came to this conclusion

This math makes no sense and is completely baseless

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

You are over complicating things with the formula.

Also, although it is hghly possible te Sage used the Creation of all things to 'create' the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors it is still only a theory. It has not been confirmed (there is still a possibility they were indeed concieved rather than created).

Seing as it has not been confirmed I would not rule out the possibility.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

Dont compare the chakra pools to the sage obviously is going to be small. Secondly Uchiha and Senju have high chakra reserves because the manga says so and the reason why Uchiha focuses on ninjutsu and genjutsu is because they have the sharingan so why not specialize in it. As for Senju they do whatever their good at and happen to have a good life force. It isnt because blah blah they dont have the right amount of spiritual energy but chakra has high quality. NO. Just stop manga already says they have high chakra reserves and last time I check Kishimoto just disproved your theory with manga facts.

 

[thegame]

People normally have both Physical and Spiritual Energies balanced in NV. These two clans were special until now.

You're right for example, about Tsunade.

You're not right when we talk about Hashirama.

And just how did you reach that conclusion? We are talking 100s of years from the sages sons lived until now. The resemblance to the DNA of either of the sons is minimal. You might wanna look up some basic genetics. Being part of a clan doesn't mean you are just doing incest.

 

[Mr Hiru]

And just how did you reach that conclusion? We are talking 100s of years from the sages sons lived until now. The resemblance to the DNA of either of the sons is minimal. You might wanna look up some basic genetics. Being part of a clan doesn't mean you are just doing incest.

It's as easy as there were a lot of Uchiha with 3-Tomoe Sharingan while there was almost no pure-breed Senju, since Hashirama decided to break the barrier between clans when he married Uzumaki Mito. He was the last known Mokuton user.

This means that before Hashirama, both Uchiha and Senju had closed kinships to mantain their kekkei genkai, as did other clans like the Hyuuga, Akimichi, Aburame and so on.

 

[thegame]

It's as easy as there were a lot of Uchiha with 3-Tomoe Sharingan while there was almost no pure-breed Senju, since Hashirama decided to break the barrier between clans when he married Uzumaki Mito. He was the last known Mokuton user.

This means that before Hashirama, both Uchiha and Senju had closed kinships to mantain their kekkei genkai, as did other clans like the Hyuuga, Akimichi, Aburame and so on.

Lol, this is just bullshit, since you have no evidence for any of it. Why doesn't Tobirama has mokuton then? What about Hashiramas father? You need to prove that someone else has mokuton too. For what we know, mokuton is unique to Hashiramas DNA only. It might as well be a mutation from someone else marrying into the clan, and thus the DNA created in his cells had mutated from that point.
Also you have no evidence, that they wouldn't marry with people outside of the clan. For a clan to be created, people need to join it. It doesn't have to be by blood.

 

[Vanch001]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was always under the impression that the Uchia had a pretty decent chakra pool because of their use of sharingan, Kakashi had even stated in a chapter that the sharingan uses up quite a bit of his chakra thus limiting his usage. Maybe that's just because its an implanted eye? Maybe I'm wrong but that is my understanding at least.

 

[thegame]

Besides, if you think a bit about it, you will laugh at your thread. I see, what Sakura said, made you think this way, but it's not impossible to release chakra, that are composed of more physical energy than spiritual, and vice versa.
Kurama for instance has no spiritual energy left, as Minato sealed that away. He can still create quite the destruction.
Also here is an example of a jutsu composed of spiritual chakra only:

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And this is quite an unstable creature, but yet it's possible to create it with spiritual energy alone.

Besides, it's quite obvious to most, that genjutsu for instance requires more spiritual energy, and ninjutsu requires more physical energy.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was always under the impression that the Uchia had a pretty decent chakra pool because of their use of sharingan, Kakashi had even stated in a chapter that the sharingan uses up quite a bit of his chakra thus limiting his usage. Maybe that's just because its an implanted eye? Maybe I'm wrong but that is my understanding at least.

They don't have large chakra pool, they only have a good quality chakra (way more powerful than normal chakra).

 

[H a n]

I see what you getting at. Thanks for the thread.