EjBlack vs Prince Charles (Sasori vs Hebi Sasuke)

[Brother Numpsay]

Alright this is not going to be in depth due to the screaming 7 year old in my ear U_U

Anyway's EjBlack Hounded PC with the argument of Hiruko being more useful then most think from the very beginning, and honestly PC never really fully countered it, EJ was right in saying that the knowledge did indeed play a large role in why the two Kunoichi broke through, Sasuke seeing an arm being launched and expecting a large group or senbon to launch at him enough so he can dodge it is very unlikely, Also the distance between Deidara and Sasuke at the start of their fight was def. Not 5 meters, that was almost laughable, Now as for the third Kazekage, the only thing you said was going to beat the iron sand was Kirin, Most of your argument was dependent on speed and shunshin's which Hebi Sasuke is indeed strong at but it does drain his stamina, which inevitably slows him down in the long run, EJ's usage of the needles in the ground was great however i'm a little skeptical as to why Sasori did not do that himself,

Anyway's if i said something weird its because again, i have this annoying yelling in my ears -.-

So My vote goes too: EJblack, He gave many reasons on how Sasori defeats Sasuke, yet PC only really gave one and that was Sasuke's best move Kirin, which i too do not think he would be able to do while avoiding iron sand world order, don't forget its range was limited due to the cave walls there's nothing to suggest it could not go farther,

So Ya my Vote for EJBlack

about the sebon not being use with magnetism in the manga.. PLOT.
The sebons magically disappreared in the manga

 

[Zexion~]

about the sebon not being use with magnetism in the manga.. PLOT.
The sebons magically disappreared in the manga

Indeed that was the only reason i could come up with as well

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Still need two more judges!

 

[deidara senpai]

if you would like me to i can judge it might take a bit though i scanned through it ill read it all if you approve

and this is a thread i made a while ago as well and i have my reasons and ideas who i think wins this fight

 

[Brother Numpsay]

if you would like me to i can judge it might take a bit though i scanned through it ill read it all if you approve

and this is a thread i made a while ago as well and i have my reasons and ideas who i think wins this fight

I dont want your ideas of the outcome to cloud your judgement from the debaters (Me and PC). If you can do that you can judge

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Judging now. Sorry it took so long.


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Alright, I wont be going extremly in depth either since I just got off work and am exausted.

Both of you had one glarring flaw to your arguments. EjBlack, You focused way to much on Hiruko the entire time and banked on knowledge being the primary reason for why this form was enough for Sasuke. You should have focused more on the Sandaime Kazekage as thats when the real battle starts. It felt more like you were trying to downplay Sasuke to boost you Hiruko argument.

PC, you didnt use a large portion of Sasuke's arsenal. You only mentioned the curse seal in passing and didn't take advantage of Sasuke's arguably superior plethora of weapons. His Shruiken Clash with Itachi was more than enough to show that Sasuke could outright go head to head in a weapons battle. You should have also banked on Sasuke's speed more and went in depth with it. Especially with the nigh unmentioned CS increase. This scan would have also been a good point to use as it oculd have potentially ended the match before Sasori even got out of Hiruko and would have also backed up your length argument [

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In Conclusion, My vote goes to PC. I felt he provived a more convincing argument and countered most of EjBlacks arguments. I just felt he could have taken a larger lead if he ultilized Sasuke's strengths better. Though the same goes to EjBlack as well.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Are you sure you read through all my post (especially post #42)? I am really concerned here.

Both of you had one glarring flaw to your arguments. EjBlack, You focused way to much on Hiruko the entire time and banked on knowledge being the primary reason for why this form was enough for Sasuke. You should have focused more on the Sandaime Kazekage as thats when the real battle starts. It felt more like you were trying to downplay Sasuke to boost you Hiruko argument.

Ok your perspective of Hiruko is completely different then mine and that clouded your judgment. Judge #1 clearly understood my argument and premise (regardless if Zexion doesn't believe Hiruko can beat Sasuke). I even gave countless of proof to about countering Hiruko booby traps. The fact that you understood that the defendant (PC) lack detail to actually explain how he beats Hiruko makes me question why you gave him a "one-up" in this part of the first phrase. I don't think you should add you perspective of the outcome but instead focus on what the debater brought up to clearly defend the character he is representing.

As for Kazekage argument I can see where your talking about with lack detail from my SECOND REBUTTAL. But, I said I was going more in depth in my final post via post #42. I don't see how post #42 lacked detail on how he uses the 3rd Kazekage, I even went further to think "outside the box" on what will able to do. So again what detailed was I lacking other then the defendant?

PC, you didnt use a large portion of Sasuke's arsenal. You only mentioned the curse seal in passing and didn't take advantage of Sasuke's arguably superior plethora of weapons. His Shruiken Clash with Itachi was more than enough to show that Sasuke could outright go head to head in a weapons battle. You should have also banked on Sasuke's speed more and went in depth with it. Especially with the nigh unmentioned CS increase. This scan would have also been a good point to use as it oculd have potentially ended the match before Sasori even got out of Hiruko and would have also backed up your length argument [

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]. Not to mention you could have use Snakes as a defense against weapons in the way Sasuke used it to protect his upperbody against Itachi.

Here is where you explain all the details that PC failed to defend with Sasuke, how was he more in depth and provided more convincing arguments then me?

In Conclusion, My vote goes to PC. I felt he provived a more convincing argument and countered most of EjBlacks arguments. I just felt he could have taken a larger lead if he ultilized Sasuke's strengths better. Though the same goes to EjBlack as well. [/FONT]

This is why I question your judgement. I concluded three phrases in depth while the defendant lack detailed in all three of them.

His argument:
Phrase 1 (Hiruko) Shisui and Chidori spear
Phrase 2 (3rd Kazekage): Dodge and prepare Karin
Phase 3 (100 Puppets): Dodge, defeat all the puppets and Sasori: Then decided to not go in depth and wish to no longer finish his rebuttal.

Yea whenever you have time,answer my post Cause I'm clearly confuse with your conclusion, that I am not seeing.

 

[deidara senpai]

I dont want your ideas of the outcome to cloud your judgement from the debaters (Me and PC). If you can do that you can judge

dude i know how debating goes im not stupid i dont put my ideas and ideals ahead of facts if you would like me to ill do it but it would be in a few hours though

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Are you sure you read through all my post (especially post #42)? I am really concerned here.

Yes Sir, I really did.

Ok your perspective of Hiruko is completely different then mine and that clouded your judgment. Judge #1 clearly understood my argument and premise (regardless if Zexion doesn't believe Hiruko can beat Sasuke). I even gave countless of proof to about countering Hiruko booby traps. The fact that you understood that the defendant (PC) lack detail to actually explain how he beats Hiruko makes me question why you gave him a "one-up" in this part of the first phrase. I don't think you should add you perspective of the outcome but instead focus on what the debater brought up to clearly defend the character he is representing.

Bold: Its part of a judges job to show the debaters what they could have done better. It just so happens that both of you didn't fully utilize your characters.

I found that what charles did use was enough to counter your arguments. As a judge I have to go with who I though presented the better arguments, you disagreeing with me is just your opinion on what is right and wrong is just your opinion differing from mine on what I believed to be true in the subject of what you two presented.

As for Kazekage argument I can see where your talking about with lack detail from my SECOND REBUTTAL. But, I said I was going more in depth in my final post via post #42. I don't see how post #42 lacked detail on how he uses the 3rd Kazekage, I even went further to think "outside the box" on what will able to do. So again what detailed was I lacking other then the defendant?

I was mearly pointing out that the 3rd Kazekage should have been the main course of your argument. Everything else should have been just "Extra".

Here is where you explain all the details that PC failed to defend with Sasuke, how was he more in depth and provided more convincing arguments then me?

Because Sasuke has a much larger arsenal that would have been better suited for making him even more convencing.

This is why I question your judgement. I concluded three phrases in depth while the defendant lack detailed in all three of them.

His argument:
Phrase 1 (Hiruko) Shisui and Chidori spear
Phrase 2 (3rd Kazekage): Dodge and prepare Karin
Phase 3 (100 Puppets): Dodge, defeat all the puppets and Sasori: Then decided to not go in depth and wish to no longer finish his rebuttal.

Yea whenever you have time,answer my post Cause I'm clearly confuse with your conclusion, that I am not seeing.

Your problem is with the fact that his counters for arguments were rather simple, That doesn't make them any less true.

 

[Gakido]

Alright, This is my first time judging. So excuse me if it seems amateur.

So for EjBlack; I liked the strategies that you came up with Sasori's Hiruko form. Though, I agree with DA on the fact that you would have done better to completely focus on the Third Kazekage. You could have also said something along the lines of Sasori using his personal collection in tandum with the Third Kazekage or something along those lines. Though I didn't quite get your argument over Jiton being able to move Sasuke around because of the Katana. Its much too small and if drawn Sasuke would have just ditched it like PC pointed out, but Overall, Very Nice.

And for PC, I also believe you did very well. Though as others have already pointed out. You were essentially using Base Sasuke the entire time :/ You had so much more you could have taken advantage of. Though I believe you cleanly countered the majority of his points. Theres not much to say as other than you used standard Sasuke arguments xD

So overall, both of you had points that I feel the other did not counter. But with what we have here my vote goes too....

Spoiler

Prince Charles. Though I would advise that 2 more judges should be brought in to judge this further. Im kind of amateur when it comes to judging and not comfortable being a tie-breaker and I don't want Ej to feel that he lost because of that.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Alright, This is my first time judging. So excuse me if it seems amateur.

So for EjBlack; I liked the strategies that you came up with Sasori's Hiruko form. Though, I agree with DA on the fact that you would have done better to completely focus on the Third Kazekage. You could have also said something along the lines of Sasori using his personal collection in tandum with the Third Kazekage or something along those lines. Though I didn't quite get your argument over Jiton being able to move Sasuke around because of the Katana. Its much too small and if drawn Sasuke would have just ditched it like PC pointed out, but Overall, Very Nice.

And for PC, I also believe you did very well. Though as others have already pointed out. You were essentially using Base Sasuke the entire time :/ You had so much more you could have taken advantage of. Though I believe you cleanly countered the majority of his points. Theres not much to say as other than you used standard Sasuke arguments xD

So overall, both of you had points that I feel the other did not counter. But with what we have here my vote goes too....

Spoiler

Prince Charles. Though I would advise that 2 more judges should be brought in to judge this further. Im kind of amateur when it comes to judging and not comfortable being a tie-breaker and I don't want Ej to feel that he lost because of that.

For starters you dont read other judges points to conclude the same view they did. Your opinion will mix with theirs. You should of told me you were inexperience to take this part. But I will find 2(or 1 if its literally the same view) judges that that see the same conclusion in this debate.