Why SO&P made the moon. And Madara's possible trump card.

[ImNoOne]

This thread is a complement to another thread I made, that can be found

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I made this a separated thread because the main issues here boarded are fundamentally different and are by themselves a matter of reflection of it's own right. Yet in order for the thread to make total sense one has to read the previous one.

As previously stated the Sage did not divide all of Juubi's power into the 9 Bijuus. In my opinion he did use some what a major portion of the Juubi's chakra but not to give power to the Bijuus, not a single drop of it, but only to actually give them life.

The Creation of All Things

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The jutso called Creation of All Things was the technique used only by the Sage where he not only created materialization of a dream into a body but also he gave it life.

Despite knowing the result we have no information about the chakra cost that a technique like this might represent. All we know is that to make something the scale of a Bijuu like Infine Tsukuyomi Madara needs the Jubii Chakra levels, imagine the amount of chakra it would be needed to actually bring Tsukuyomi Reality into life. Although in a somewhat smaller scale that's what went on the making of the 9 Bijuus, which means a massive amount of chakra was spent on the making.

Further more I believe that Rikudo actually split the Juubi in Nine, but not it's chakra. What Rikudo divided amongst the Bijuus was the Juubi's personality, it's rage, fury and evil. He then proceeded to give them harts (which so far the Juubi does not seem to have possessed.

And with this Rikudo hoped that the Juubi's mind could molded by the human experience and that one day when all the different facets of the split personality could be reunited the Juubi would have a hart and the fury and evil could be balanced by love and peace.

The Natural Chakra

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Just like proven by recent Manga chapters, the bijuu harvest the natural chakra in the world to make their chakra pools replenish. It's only natural to assume that depending on their tails the amount of chakra they can store can be lower or larger. It is also quite obvious from the manga that the more tails one Bijuu has the more power he has but also and more importantly the more vicious the beast is.

This takes further momentum when putted in perspective with the fact that Kurama is referred through out great part of the Manga as a enormous pool of blind fury and hatred. Leading us to believe that Kurama inherited the larger part of the Juubi's personality.

Seeing how the Bijuus gather their chakra it's only natural that the Juubi gathers his chakra in the same way. Which means it can only harvest as much chakra as the it's possible to fit in his chakra pool.

Gedo Mazo

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The Gedo Mazo, vulgo Juubi's body, was ripped of from his personality and it's chakra and then the moon was built around it and sent into orbit. The reason for this, i believe, was to serve as a fail safe mechanism, somewhat of an insurance to maintain the Juubi's body away from any kind of natural chakra. If chakra lives in life, then vacuum space is the worst place to harvest chakra.

Maybe Rikudo could not be certain that every bit of Juubi's personality had been ripped off it's body and so he made sure there would be no way the body could try and get some chakra.

There are 2 possibilities here:

Spoiler

First Scenario - Making the moon was an overzealous action that proved only to promote the survival of Woodmade-Juubi's body through the time gap from the days the Sage leave until Madara's days. If Rikudu had not sent the Juubi's body into space Gedo Mazo would have decayed and remaking the Juubi would have never been possible.

Second Scenario - The So6P knew what he was doing and there was a part of the Juubi's personality so powerful and so dark that he did not want to extract, making the Moon a much needed prison.

The Second might be excluded as we see that Gedo Mazo does not have any sort of mind whatsoever. However there is the fact that we have not yet seen when nor how nor in what circumstances and at what costs did Madara summoned the Gedo Mazo back into earth. It could be that Madara did extract the last remaining peace of the Juubi's personality onto himself. Which could be a very precious trump card..

The conclusion of my previous thread and these 3 bold points is that whether it is that the source and limit of the Bijuu's is the orginal chakra that went on their making or the amount of Juubi's personality inside them. It is only logical that the Current Juubi is not as strong nor can it store as much Chakra as the Original Juubi could.

PS:
A trump card prediction.

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Seeing as the names of the Bijuus have been hinted to cary great power in them, what if what Madara gained when he extracted the last part of the Juubi from Gedo Mazo was the name of the Juubi itself? If the 9 names of the 9 parts are powerful then the name of the Whole must be of at least equal power. This could also hint to what will be the actual key to allow Naruto to defeat Obito.

I hope you enjoyed reading.

 

[Moss]

Nice thread.

 

[Mitarashi]

Trump card is something only people that have AWAKENED the Rinnegan/ems can do.
Madara didn't have the Chakra to do it when he was old.

IT could be anything, but I'm pretty sure that's what it'll come down too, otherwise there is no point in him having the same rinnegan techs as Obito/Nagato

 

[ImNoOne]

Trump card is something only people that have AWAKENED the Rinnegan/ems can do.
Madara didn't have the Chakra to do it when he was old.

IT could be anything, but I'm pretty sure that's what it'll come down too, otherwise there is no point in him having the same rinnegan techs as Obito/Nagato

That's like a bonus on the thread... Do you have an opinion regarding the rest of the theory.?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

How did you come to the conclusion that Rikudou didn't split the Juubi's chakra into the Nine Bijuus when the Nine Bijuus themselves are the embodiment of that Chakra?

 

[ImNoOne]

How did you come to the conclusion that Rikudou didn't split the Juubi's chakra into the Nine Bijuus when the Nine Bijuus themselves are the embodiment of that Chakra?

The last time I checked Bijuus are the embodiment of Natural Chakra that they themselves collect. So I don't know what you are saying. Furthermore T Bogard does have a point when he said that the Bijuus grew over time.

What the tailed beast really inherited from the Juubi was their natural tendency towards making havoc wherever they appear. -> personality and rage

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The last time I checked Bijuus are the embodiment of Natural Chakra that they themselves collect. So I don't know what you are saying. Furthermore T Bogard does have a point when he said that the Bijuus grew over time.

What the tailed beast really inherited from the Juubi was their natural tendency towards making havoc wherever they appear. -> personality and rage

Then what was the Chakra removed from the Gedo Mazo when it got hurled into the Sealing Stone that became the Moon?

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The Chakra were the Nine Bijuus:

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[Transcendence]

What I am I reading in this thread...

 

[ImNoOne]

Then what was the Chakra removed from the Gedo Mazo when it got hurled into the Sealing Stone that became the Moon?

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The Chakra were the Nine Bijuus:

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What the hell does the character know?
Those statements are as valid as Kakashi saying that the Byakugan comes from the Sharingan.

We actually know that is not the case as we've actually seen where the bijuu's chakra comes from. They harest it from Nature!

 

[cptenn94]

While your thread is based off the other thread, which has several proven false parts to it(such as ALL jins cannot survive extraction, and ALWAYS die on spot), your finale(madaras trump card) is great though. Certainly an interesting theory though. And one that is unique, and quite possible.

Great thread though, and good presentation. I look forward to seeing more threads like this from ya.

 

[ImNoOne]

Thanks. It's jsut a theory though.

 

[FearxDeath]

Sigh, I applaud your effort and the fact that you really did go out of your way to think outside of the box and you seem to be very open minded, I just hope that you are not equally as prideful... none the less I digress, there are a few very important issues that need to be address by your thread, although from the look of it you are posing this less as a credible thread and more of food for thought, It is still important to address said points for your thread to even be considered viable, points wont match the order of your thread.

1) You claim that if there is power within the Bijuu's names then there must be an equal amount of power within t he Juubi's name... The only problem is that we haven't seen what power the Bijuu's names actually possess, if any.

2) Let me quote what is said in this scan, before I do I want to say that I don't think what has been said should ever be dismissed as "He didn't know what he was talking about" or "He was lying to trick them", we should keep in mind that what we see in scans are what Kishi wants us to see and thus they must have a purpose. With that said I don't think people should dismiss scans unless they have very good reason to, one which is not "It makes my thread seem more reasonable to dismiss/ignore this scan" Now here is the scan [

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]. What is said here is "But the Juubi's chakra was so foul that if the Jinchuriki was to die, it would escape the seal and terrorize the world once more... fearing this upon his deathbed the Rikudo Sennin used the last of his power to divide the Juubi's Chakra into nine portions and scattered them across the worlds surface." There isn't much ambiguity here, The Juubi's chakra was not used to power the Creation of All Things jutsu but was rather itself scattered [in the form of the Bijuu].

3) "All we know is that to make something the scale of a Bijuu like Infine Tsukuyomi Madara needs the Jubii Chakra levels", we actually don't know this, and comparing creating the Bijuu to IT is a false comparison, the 2 are very different. But most importantly we do not know that to make something on the scale of the Bijuu would require Juubi Chakra levels.

4) "And with this Rikudo hoped that the Juubi's mind could molded by the human experience and that one day when all the different facets of the split personality could be reunited the Juubi would have a hart and the fury and evil could be balanced by love and peace.", again he didn't create the Bijuu and lock away the Juubi out of the hope of future peace for the Juubi but rather out of desperation to keep the Juubi from once again terrorizing the earth. But most importantly you must understand that although 1+1 = 2, 2 does not neccesarily = 1+1, If the Bijuu don't remember once being the Juubi then why would the Juubi remember his time as 9 different entities? This is very unclear and uncertain.

5) Keep in mind that all the Nature chakra found on the earth was create by the Juubi itself, therefore sending the Juubi's body to the moon to be by itself in order to keep it from feeding on said chakra is counter intuitive.

6) There was really nothing special about there names, they were given their names after they were created by Rikudo and there wasn't much mysticism to that, he just sat there and said, your name is this, your name is that. I think the power in the Name of the Bijuu is similar to the power in anyone's name. The same way Naruto always use to scream out he was Naruto Uzumaki when he was a kid, the Bijuu who were thought to be emotionless and soulless creatures to the point of merely being referred to by their number of tails and thought of as demons have a certain power in their names as it represents a different side to them. I may be spitballing here but I am just saying their are several ways to interpret this situation, and assuming that the tailed beast names have some kind of power that we have yet to see nearly 80+ scans later is a bit of a stretch.


Again I applaud your effort but I think you slipped a bit, nicely formed thread though.

What the hell does the character know?
Those statements are as valid as Kakashi saying that the Byakugan comes from the Sharingan.

We actually know that is not the case as we've actually seen where the bijuu's chakra comes from. They harest it from Nature!

This is incredibly ignorant, the Juubi's "Harvest" Chakra from Nature the same way Naruto does when he goes into sage mode. Their is a difference between restoring ones chakra by absorbing Nature chakra and actually having ones Chakra made out of nature.

He showed you 2 scans that suggest the Juubi's Chakra was extracted, I also have shown one. Your reply to this is "What do the characters know?" if we have gotten to the point where everything any character has said is up for debate and interpretation then i suggest you stop making threads. First off you believe Madara has a trump card because he said he has one, he could be lying? Characters have been shown to lie before, Naruto resembles the Sage? SAYS WHO! How are we even sure this whole Juubi nonsense isn't a hallucination? At what point do we draw the line and say that we will only discredit what a character says when we have good reason to and not because doing so makes a theory seem more plausible...

 

[Trollasaur]

Trump card is something only people that have AWAKENED the Rinnegan/ems can do.
Madara didn't have the Chakra to do it when he was old.

IT could be anything, but I'm pretty sure that's what it'll come down too, otherwise there is no point in him having the same rinnegan techs as Obito/Nagato

Madara should know how to use it better than both of them

 

[Trollasaur]

Sigh, I applaud your effort and the fact that you really did go out of your way to think outside of the box and you seem to be very open minded, I just hope that you are not equally as prideful... none the less I digress, there are a few very important issues that need to be address by your thread, although from the look of it you are posing this less as a credible thread and more of food for thought, It is still important to address said points for your thread to even be considered viable, points wont match the order of your thread.

1) You claim that if there is power within the Bijuu's names then there must be an equal amount of power within t he Juubi's name... The only problem is that we haven't seen what power the Bijuu's names actually possess, if any.

2) Lastly let me quote what is said in this scan, before I do I want to say that I don't think what has been said should ever be dismissed as "He didn't know what he was talking about" or "He was lying to trick them", we should keep in mind that what we see in scans are what Kishi wants us to see and thus they must have a purpose. With that said I don't think people should dismiss scans unless they have very good reason to, one which is not "It makes my thread seem more reasonable to dismiss/ignore this scan" Now here is the scan [

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]. What is said here is "But the Juubi's chakra was so foul that if the Jinchuriki was to die, it would escape the seal and terrorize the world once more... fearing this upon his deathbed the Rikudo Sennin used the last of his power to divide the Juubi's Chakra into nine portions and scattered them across the worlds surface." There isn't much ambiguity here, The Juubi's chakra was not used to power the Creation of All Things jutsu but was rather itself scattered [in the form of the Bijuu].

3) "All we know is that to make something the scale of a Bijuu like Infine Tsukuyomi Madara needs the Jubii Chakra levels", we actually don't know this, and comparing creating the Juubi to IT is a false comparison, the 2 are very different. But most importantly we do not know that to make something on the scale of the Bijuu would require Juubi Chakra levels.

4) "And with this Rikudo hoped that the Juubi's mind could molded by the human experience and that one day when all the different facets of the split personality could be reunited the Juubi would have a hart and the fury and evil could be balanced by love and peace.", again he didn't create the Bijuu and lock away the Juubi out of the hope of future peace for the Juubi but rather out of desperation to keep the Juubi from once again terrorizing the earth.

5) Keep in mind that all the Nature chakra found on the earth was create by the Juubi itself, therefore sending the Juubi's body to the moon in order to keep it from feeding on said chakra is counter intuitive.

6) There was really nothing special about there names, they were given their names after they were created by Rikudo and there wasn't much mysticism to that, he just sat there and said, your name is this, your name is that. I think the power in the Name of the Bijuu is similar to the power in anyone's name. The same way Naruto always use to scream out he was Naruto Uzumaki when he was a kid, the Bijuu who were thought to be emotionless and soulless creatures to the point of merely being referred to by their number of tails and thought of as demons have a certain power in their names as it represents a different side to them. I may be spitballing here but I am just saying their are several ways to interpret this situation, and assuming that the tailed beast names have some kind of power that we have yet to see nearly 10+ scans later is a bit of a stretch.


Again I applaud your effort but I think you slipped a bit, nicely formed thread though.

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