A Question about Madara

[iNotorious]

I thought his special ability was the time sharingan, like we see in that ova fight between madara and hashirama.

 

[Booker]

Yes it has, you want proof that madara doesnt have tsukuyomi? Well first of all ill address the fact that tsukuyomi isnt required for I/T, the simple explanation is actually a question, does obito have tsukuyomi? The answer to this question is no, therefore it is not required, Lol. But if you still dont believe me then there's more proof from madara stating that he can use regular sharingan genjutsu to perform I/T.

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Here he says "this" genjutsu, referring to the 3-T genjutsu he casted on obito, thus proving that regular 3-T genjutsu is all that's needed for I/T.

With all that being said, its evident that tsukuyomi isnt required, & now why madara doesnt have it.

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Here we can see raikage falling for madara's genjutsu, perfect opportunity for him to cast tsukuyomi, but he didnt. You may not think this proves that he doesnt have it but there is no other reason as to why he wouldnt use it in that situation. You also cant ignore the fact that there has never been any sighting of amaterasu during madara's battle with hashi (a life or death battle stated by himself), which makes the possibility of him having amaterasu highly unlikely as well.

This.

Madara wankers want him to have Tsuk and Ama so badly.

 

[Avinash012]

Yes it has, you want proof that madara doesnt have tsukuyomi? Well first of all ill address the fact that tsukuyomi isnt required for I/T, the simple explanation is actually a question, does obito have tsukuyomi? The answer to this question is no, therefore it is not required, Lol. But if you still dont believe me then there's more proof from madara stating that he can use regular sharingan genjutsu to perform I/T.

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Here he says "this" genjutsu, referring to the 3-T genjutsu he casted on obito, thus proving that regular 3-T genjutsu is all that's needed for I/T.

With all that being said, its evident that tsukuyomi isnt required, & now why madara doesnt have it.

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Here we can see raikage falling for madara's genjutsu, perfect opportunity for him to cast tsukuyomi, but he didnt. You may not think this proves that he doesnt have it but there is no other reason as to why he wouldnt use it in that situation. You also cant ignore the fact that there has never been any sighting of amaterasu during madara's battle with hashi (a life or death battle stated by himself), which makes the possibility of him having amaterasu highly unlikely as well.

He he he He Obito can use Tsukiyomi but he can't use Amatarasu since he need his second eye to activate both Susano as wel as Amatarasu...........!

 

[Booker]

He he he He Obito can use Tsukiyomi but he can't use Amatarasu since he need his second eye to activate both Susano as wel as Amatarasu...........!

Wow.

Either dumb or trolling.

 

[Draphsin]

Madara don't have Tsukiyomi.........?

No

Then where did he got the name Inf Tsukiyomi ....?

Tsukuyomi = Moon god

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, the name has nothing to do with the jutsu itself, which is an MS ability of Itachi's.

he used it on Rikage during thire fight.....!

No he didnt, that was a regular sharingan genjutsu, if that was tsukuyomi then raikage would be in the hospital (days of torture).

It dosen't mean that he dnt had that ability just bcoz he didn't used it...right....?

He had no reason to not use it in that situation, he also never used amaterasu against hashirama at the VoTE, which was stated to be a life or death battle. If he has ama then tell me why he didnt use it against hashi even once? Or why he didnt use tsukuyomi against the raikage.

One should need Tsukiyomi as wel as Amatarasu to activate Susano.....!

This is stated by an outdated databook which was only referring to Itachi & is contradicted. This statement is untrue as of madara

He he he He Obito can use Tsukiyomi but he can't use Amatarasu since he need his second eye to activate both Susano as wel as Amatarasu...........!

Wow.... U_U

 

[Avinash012]

Yes it has, you want proof that madara doesnt have tsukuyomi? Well first of all ill address the fact that tsukuyomi isnt required for I/T, the simple explanation is actually a question, does obito have tsukuyomi? The answer to this question is no, therefore it is not required, Lol. But if you still dont believe me then there's more proof from madara stating that he can use regular sharingan genjutsu to perform I/T.

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Here he says "this" genjutsu, referring to the 3-T genjutsu he casted on obito, thus proving that regular 3-T genjutsu is all that's needed for I/T.

With all that being said, its evident that tsukuyomi isnt required, & now why madara doesnt have it.

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Here we can see raikage falling for madara's genjutsu, perfect opportunity for him to cast tsukuyomi, but he didnt. You may not think this proves that he doesnt have it but there is no other reason as to why he wouldnt use it in that situation. You also cant ignore the fact that there has never been any sighting of amaterasu during madara's battle with hashi (a life or death battle stated by himself), which makes the possibility of him having amaterasu highly unlikely as well.

Dude ur argument make's sence but u forgot one thing when Madara casted genjutsu on Rikage it clearly shows that Madara activated his EMS which obviously mean that he used Tsukiyomi.......He didn't used it on Hashi bcoz it is useless or Hashi probably had counters for it ........Tobirama witnessed Ento which proves that either Madara or Izuna had Enton ......!

 

[ReverseZero12]

He can use those attacks. No doubt about it. He just hasn't chosen to use them yet. In other words, PLOT.
Also, nothing in the manga states he can't use them. Since he has Susanoo, he must have amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. No need to think deeper about it. That's all there is to it.

 

[RNITBmsage]

No



Tsukuyomi = Moon god

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, the name has nothing to do with the jutsu itself, which is an MS ability of Itachi's.



No he didnt, that was a regular sharingan genjutsu, if that was tsukuyomi then raikage would be in the hospital (days of torture).



He had no reason to not use it in that situation, he also never used amaterasu against hashirama at the VoTE, which was stated to be a life or death battle. If he has ama then tell me why he didnt use it against hashi even once? Or why he didnt use tsukuyomi against the raikage.



This is stated by an outdated databook which was only referring to Itachi & is contradicted. This statement is untrue as of madara



Wow.... U_U

threadkiller in the house

 

[Booker]

He can use those attacks. No doubt about it. He just hasn't chosen to use them yet. In other words, PLOT.
Also, nothing in the manga states he can't use them. Since he has Susanoo, he must have amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. No need to think deeper about it. That's all there is to it.

Except it's stated nowhere in the Manga Susano'o requires Ama and Tsuk.

 

[Avinash012]

Wow.

Either dumb or trolling.

Dude read this

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look at the names of users and go home then Sleep...............

 

[Draphsin]

Dude ur argument make's sence but u forgot one thing when Madara casted genjutsu on Rikage it clearly shows that Madara activated his EMS which obviously mean that he used Tsukiyomi.......He didn't used it on Hashi bcoz it is useless or Hashi probably had counters for it ........Tobirama witnessed Ento which proves that either Madara or Izuna had Enton ......!

Just because EMS was activated doesnt mean that it was tsukuyomi, you can use regular sharingan genjutsu with MS activated.

& even if hashi had counters for ama, it doesnt change the fact that its a deadly jutsu that could end him if he was ever off guard.

@Bold: Tobirama has never seen ama before, he was referring to sasuke's flame control.

 

[Avinash012]

No



Tsukuyomi = Moon god

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, the name has nothing to do with the jutsu itself, which is an MS ability of Itachi's.



No he didnt, that was a regular sharingan genjutsu, if that was tsukuyomi then raikage would be in the hospital (days of torture).



He had no reason to not use it in that situation, he also never used amaterasu against hashirama at the VoTE, which was stated to be a life or death battle. If he has ama then tell me why he didnt use it against hashi even once? Or why he didnt use tsukuyomi against the raikage.



This is stated by an outdated databook which was only referring to Itachi & is contradicted. This statement is untrue as of madara



Wow.... U_U

Then where did Madara got that name ,he could have named it as Inf Genjutsu and how could some one can control any thing with a normal genjutsu........?
Itachi said I can control any thing in this world and Madara said the same thing to Obtio.........!

 

[Avinash012]

No



Tsukuyomi = Moon god

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, the name has nothing to do with the jutsu itself, which is an MS ability of Itachi's.



No he didnt, that was a regular sharingan genjutsu, if that was tsukuyomi then raikage would be in the hospital (days of torture).



He had no reason to not use it in that situation, he also never used amaterasu against hashirama at the VoTE, which was stated to be a life or death battle. If he has ama then tell me why he didnt use it against hashi even once? Or why he didnt use tsukuyomi against the raikage.



This is stated by an outdated databook which was only referring to Itachi & is contradicted. This statement is untrue as of madara



Wow.... U_U

Then where did Madara got that name ,he could have named it as Inf Genjutsu and how could some one can control any thing with a normal genjutsu........?
Itachi said that I can control any thing in this world and Madara said the same thing to Obtio.........!

 

[Draphsin]

Then where did Madara got that name ,he could have named it as Inf Genjutsu and how could some one can control any thing with a normal genjutsu........?
Itachi said that I can control any thing in this world and Madara said the same thing to Obtio.........!

I said the name means moon god, what is tsukuyomi? Its a genjutsu on the moon.

You can control anything in a genjutsu that you cast

& madara used 3-T genjutsu on obito, how can you even argue that its tsukuyomi? He's not even using his own eye...

 

[Varrah]

The moment the community as a whole realizes that the manga supersedes the databook is the moment arguments—at least the Mangekyou Sharingan—cease to exist.

Still wondering why people believe Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are required for Susanoo, when its entry in the databook was only indicative of Itachi's prerequisites for Susanoo. Sasuke's statement changes the demands for Susanoo, and, at this point, should be acknowledged when even discussing Madara's other douryoku.

Basically, to the original poster, Madara likely has two different Mangekyou Sharingan abilities we have not seen, and four at best if we consider Izuna's—whose abilities were instrumental in Madara's creation of "Perfect" Susanoo.

Edit: And to the user above who claimed that Madara or Izuna had 'Kagutsuchi', while possible, that may not be who the Nidaime Hokage was speaking about.

While it is an entertaining idea, they were other Mangekyou Sharingan users besides Madara and Izuna; they were simply the first two who awakened the eyes. After Madara left Konohagakure, there were other wielders of the Mangekyou that tried to capture Madara's power by creating their own Eien no Mangekyou Sharingan—which lead to the practice of killng their own brethren in hopes of attaining the eyes. [

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[Avinash012]

I said the name means moon god, what is tsukuyomi? Its a genjutsu on the moon.

You can control anything in a genjutsu that you cast

& madara used 3-T genjutsu on obito, how can you even argue that its tsukuyomi? He's not even using his own eye...

It dosent mean that he didn't used Tsuki just bcoz he used 3tom just like u said b4...............!

 

[Draphsin]

It dosent mean that he didn't used Tsuki just bcoz he used 3tom just like u said b4...............!

You cant use MS abilities with 3-T sharingan, this is a fact.

 

[Gerkak]

MANGEKYO IN BOTH EYES, not those who awoken amaterasu and tsukiyomi, TWO, thats like stating Madara and sasuke has totsuka blade and yata mirror just like itachi, NO it does not, Madara in 605 states YOU NEED BOTH EYES never once states you needed amaterasu and tsukiyomi, its a very common popular misinterpretation

spot on dude.

 

[ReverseZero12]

Except it's stated nowhere in the Manga Susano'o requires Ama and Tsuk.

The databooks state that you need amaterasu and tsukuyomi (or rather, master these techniques) as a requirement to unlock Susanoo. Either way, the fact remains, that anyone that can use susanoo can also use amaterasu and tsukuyomi.

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[Bronze]

i cant believe people are this ignorant.

madara has tskuyomi and amatersu. to use susanoo, you need these 2 techniques, otherwise susanoo will not be awaken.

manga already showed that madara tskuyomi which is for his eye moon plan.

the reason he hasn't used is because the plot nothing more.

get that through head.