A Question about Madara

[SilverfoxUchiha]

I'm wondering why we havnt seen Madara use Amaterasu; especially since Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are both required to unlock Susano'o (what ever level Susano'o regardless), and since, as we have seen, his Katon (Fire Release) is also extremely powerful.

I wouldnt expect him to specialise in it as to my understanding the Uchihas we have so far seen have each usually specialised in one particular ability.

I.e.:

Madara: Susano'o
Itachi: Tsukuyomi
Obito: Kamui
Sasuki: Amaterasu
Shisui: KotoAmatsukami

However, I still think it would have been effective for Madara to exhibit his ability to do so as he has already shown his proficiency in Susano'o, as well as Tsukuyomi (hence his original intention of casting the Infinite Tsukuyomi: The Moon's Eye Plan)

As i have already stated: from recollection Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are required to activate Susano'o.

Thoughts?

(p.s. my apologies if this question has been asked previously. I have not seen any threads on it, and neither have i heard an answer. if anyone has seen or remembers him using it please let me know)

 

[Lyke]

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[Six Paths]

Well just like you said I have a kind of theory about it but I need to make sure very sharingan when youn get the mangekyo you have a certain ability like sasuke's family had amaterasu and tsukuyomi obitos family had kamui and the untouch ability and madara has some others as for susanoo every sharingan user has it when he will be able to get the mangekyo

 

[jorgelius]

i understand every sharingan is unique if not jutsu's like kamui would not exist so cant draw conclusion that madara have amaterasu.. but one power he has not shown, maybe works best in unique situations...

realistic answer.. kishimoto has not shown third power becouse he hasnt decided what it is.

 

[Draphsin]

You dont need amaterasu & tsukuyomi to awaken susanoo, also madara doesnt have tsukuyomi & he hasnt shown any signs of amaterasu so he most likely doesnt have that either. Madara's susanoo proficiency seems to be the only MS ability he has.

 

[Xāvî1]

Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are both required to unlock Susano'o

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[RNITBmsage]

because hes OP enough as is
and it would destroy hashirama's chances in a fight since hashirama's main offense is wood release
im sure kishi doesnt want that

 

[UchihaNagashi]

For the 1000th f*cking time, Susano'o is the third ability of MS, anyone who unlocks both of them gets Susano'o in bonus!That's why Obito didn't have one. And again it is not CERTAIN that Madara has Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, it's only been shown that only Sasuke and Itachi have these two jutsus! It's not canon people. We can't assume that yet. Madara may have his own ocular jutsu's we don't know it yet. Read the manga people...

 

[bogosixone]

If he has it, he destroys hashi's wood neg deff ._.

 

[jorgelius]

For the 1000th f*cking time, Susano'o is the third ability of MS, anyone who unlocks both of them gets Susano'o in bonus!That's why Obito didn't have one. And again it is not CERTAIN that Madara has Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, it's only been shown that only Sasuke and Itachi have these two jutsus! It's not canon people. We can't assume that yet. Madara may have his own ocular jutsu's we don't know it yet. Read the manga people...

obito never had two mangekyo, other was always a spare that's why he didn't know any third power..
about others we just cant tell..

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

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MANGEKYO IN BOTH EYES, not those who awoken amaterasu and tsukiyomi, TWO, thats like stating Madara and sasuke has totsuka blade and yata mirror just like itachi, NO it does not, Madara in 605 states YOU NEED BOTH EYES never once states you needed amaterasu and tsukiyomi, its a very common popular misinterpretation

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Well just like you said I have a kind of theory about it but I need to make sure very sharingan when youn get the mangekyo you have a certain ability like sasuke's family had amaterasu and tsukuyomi obitos family had kamui and the untouch ability and madara has some others as for susanoo every sharingan user has it when he will be able to get the mangekyo

I hear what you are saying regarding Obito in theory. However, according to Narutopedia Susano'o is only activated within those Uchiha who have awakened Tsukuyomi: which denotes the Darkness of the Spirit World (Yang>Yin), and Amaterasu: which denotes the Light of the Material World (Yin>Yang).

Obito has the ability to cast Tsukuyomi (hence Infinite Tsukuyomi), but possibly owing to his lack of two Sharingan was unable to unlock the second ability (Amaterasu), hence the fact that he does not have Susano'o (as we know Susano'o can only be activated when both the casters eyes have awakened the Mangekyo Sharingan).

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

For the 1000th f*cking time, Susano'o is the third ability of MS, anyone who unlocks both of them gets Susano'o in bonus!That's why Obito didn't have one. And again it is not CERTAIN that Madara has Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, it's only been shown that only Sasuke and Itachi have these two jutsus! It's not canon people. We can't assume that yet. Madara may have his own ocular jutsu's we don't know it yet. Read the manga people...

If Madara does not have Tsukuyomi in his arsenal then how would he be able to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi. Unless Kishi states he does not have it i will not assume that to be the case; and the same goes for Amaterasu. Otherwise the only Sharingan ability we have seen Madara yse is Susano'o, which counters the fact that it is a third ability.

 

[Draphsin]

If Madara does not have Tsukuyomi in his arsenal then how would he be able to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Another popular misconception, you do not need tsukuyomi for infinite tsukuyomi.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Madara's Moon Eye Plan utilizes Infinite Tsukuyomi, so obviously he would have access to Tsukuyomi. Seeing as he has Susanoo and Tsukuyomi (implicated), he should be able to use Amaterasu as well.

Another popular misconception, you do not need tsukuyomi for infinite tsukuyomi.

Elaborate.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Another popular misconception, you do not need tsukuyomi for infinite tsukuyomi.

Has that been confirmed by Kishimoto? Also, has the fact Madara does not have Amaterasu been confirmed by him? I am only going from what I have read although obviously if Madara actually does indeed have totally different MS Techniques i would be more than interested regardless (that should be evident from my profile pic and sig).

Feel free to post facts confirming what you are saying and i will be cool with that. Otherwise i will go with what the naruto database, narutopedia, and the manga state concerning the activation of Susano'o (Amaterasu + Tsukuyomi) until solid proof proves me wrong.

 

[ntel]

Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are both required to unlock Susano'o

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That isnt confirmed

Dono...might have some other jutsu? He went up against Hashirama,imo he has some op technique that isnt Amesterasu

 

[Draphsin]

Has that been confirmed by Kishimoto?

Yes it has, you want proof that madara doesnt have tsukuyomi? Well first of all ill address the fact that tsukuyomi isnt required for I/T, the simple explanation is actually a question, does obito have tsukuyomi? The answer to this question is no, therefore it is not required, Lol. But if you still dont believe me then there's more proof from madara stating that he can use regular sharingan genjutsu to perform I/T.

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Here he says "this" genjutsu, referring to the 3-T genjutsu he casted on obito, thus proving that regular 3-T genjutsu is all that's needed for I/T.

With all that being said, its evident that tsukuyomi isnt required, & now why madara doesnt have it.

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Here we can see raikage falling for madara's genjutsu, perfect opportunity for him to cast tsukuyomi, but he didnt. You may not think this proves that he doesnt have it but there is no other reason as to why he wouldnt use it in that situation. You also cant ignore the fact that there has never been any sighting of amaterasu during madara's battle with hashi (a life or death battle stated by himself), which makes the possibility of him having amaterasu highly unlikely as well.

 

[jorgelius]

ahh.. now i know your reasoning.. i dont know susano'o does have lot of backstory which are connected - tsukyomi-moon amaterasu-sun and susano'o something above them..

there are facts about rules.. when one awaken mangekyo most common both eyes awake unique ability, when siblings change eyes one have powers from both eye sets.. kishimoto can go however he want either wield 5 mangekyo abilities izuna and madara had + susanoo or go with amaterasu

 

[Avinash012]

You dont need amaterasu & tsukuyomi to awaken susanoo, also madara doesnt have tsukuyomi & he hasnt shown any signs of amaterasu so he most likely doesnt have that either. Madara's susanoo proficiency seems to be the only MS ability he has.

Madara don't have Tsukiyomi.........?
Then where did he got the name Inf Tsukiyomi ....?
he used it on Rikage during thire fight.....!
It dosen't mean that he dnt had that ability just bcoz he didn't used it...right....?
One should need Tsukiyomi as wel as Amatarasu to activate Susano.....!