[VS] Mei, Gaara and Tsunade vs Ay and Onoki
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Dayum, That ****ing intro lmao. Shit was sweet, I'm already wet bro 
lmao.
My response doesn't need to be too long for this.
3rd paragraph: Hidden mist's density can be controlled. At the point there was no need to make it blinding. As these[
PS: Oonoki has a limited number of jinton and there's no one to replenish chakra. So with all these jintons you're firing i hope you know that when they miss and hit Sand clones, that you just wasted chakra while team 1 has tsunade's massive reserves to keep going on.
Basically;
You've tried to counter hidden mist, but you completely forgot the fact i mention;
-They're sitting inside a solid dome in a random position about ground inside the blinding mist
-Tsunade has katsuya's on team mates to heal them, so ay's insignificant damage does nothing, combined with the fact that gaara has auto defence and sand armor pretty much always.
-The air around the dome Is acidified mist that'd pretty much incapacitate anyone that gets close. If you're doubting the mist, i'll just show you this to clear it up [
Guess i lied in the end; My response ended up being long AF XD
lmao.My response doesn't need to be too long for this.
Second paragraph doesn't tell me how they're seeing what's inside the hidden mist.
3rd paragraph: Hidden mist's density can be controlled. At the point there was no need to make it blinding. As these[
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] scans show, hidden mist can be as dense as the user wants to fullfil their purpose - Dense enough to mask their movements, or dense enough to completely blind.Massive jinton only works if he knows where the person is (no he didn't have a jinton as big as turtle island. It was just said he'd kill the turtle or something along those lines) considering they can be anywhere on the ground or in the air. Ay can't block any offensive attack coming to oonoki. I haven't even mentioned yet katsuya spitting acid, mei using dragon flood, mei using lava, Aerial waves of sand(as what he did with deidara though it'd be on a smaller scale due to no more shukaku) - all of which can be directed to target by the help of gaara; gaara tells them what direction and about how far off, these jutsu are large scale enough that they don't need accuracy.
Team 1 is sitting inside a hardened sand dome. Not only is this stronger than auto defence, it's also 360 protection which gaara can open any spot at will. Ay can't get past that (piercing attacks beat his sand - ay doesn't have chidori), nor can the golem. For that matter, if he senses the golem, he can trap it on the ground with Sinking Sand. This paragraph is moot.
PS: Oonoki has a limited number of jinton and there's no one to replenish chakra. So with all these jintons you're firing i hope you know that when they miss and hit Sand clones, that you just wasted chakra while team 1 has tsunade's massive reserves to keep going on.
Nope. Piercing attacks not just raiton. Gaara's shukaku ultimate defence blocked kimimaru's spear which utterly broke through his auto defence. That same auto defence was able to partially block 5 susano'o swords. Not only won't raikage get through, but it'd be sand clone feints that'd trap him. gaara has sensor sand and an eye to know exactly what's going on and prep, a luxury team 2 doesn't have. Oh, and right, they still can't see them through hidden mist, so there's that. Plus, There's also that boil release i mentioned which would kill raikage if he gets close. He isn't blitzing through that excrutiating pain.
Too bad mei and tsunade play a far bigger factor. Even though ay ever manages to hit gaara, tsunade would already be healing him with that katsuya clone i mentioned. Then there's the fact that the entire air surrounding the sand dome has concentrated acid that'd rape anyone getting close.
Well, shit this is a lie. Tsunade transfers chakra to allow jutsu spam (oonoki can't spam jinton), heals her team from any damage raikage is lucky enough to do (team 2 can't heal) and has katsuya that can completely wrap around the team as defence (tanked CST for konoha citizens). Then there's the fact that one punch ruins any earth jutsu oonoki throws. I can go on; Your mistake is that you only think of attack and no support/defence. Tsunade's role has always primarily been support, and she's the best at that job. She's never going to be the first to die. Anyway, i don't know how moving earth core works while she's sitting inside a sand dome above the ground.
I have no idea how my counter came off, but if it sounds condescending or disrespectful, i apologize in advance, I meant no disrespect it's just that you pretty much overlooked my entire arguement.
Basically;
You've tried to counter hidden mist, but you completely forgot the fact i mention;
-They're sitting inside a solid dome in a random position about ground inside the blinding mist
-Tsunade has katsuya's on team mates to heal them, so ay's insignificant damage does nothing, combined with the fact that gaara has auto defence and sand armor pretty much always.
-The air around the dome Is acidified mist that'd pretty much incapacitate anyone that gets close. If you're doubting the mist, i'll just show you this to clear it up [
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]. Sasuke's susano'o instantly started to heavily melt - susano'o has immense defence, so if it melts then that's kinda ****ed up for skin - even
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were melting. And, just to finish reinforce this,
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is what happened to a zetsu spore that was already melting in the acid, and then got acid blown on it; Imagine what would happen to Ay/Oonoki. There's no healer on team 2, they can't afford this damage.Guess i lied in the end; My response ended up being long AF XD
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He blocked a "slam" attack, not a pierce attack or a punch. Let's see Gaara's sand (which is weaker than Raiton) survive a Raitoningu Sutorēto. If it can't survive PTS Sasuke's Chidori, you'd have to be a Gaara fanboy to say Raikage can't get through it. You're totally going against manga and databook facts, not to mention common sense.
Bub, he blocked Ay's raiton based kick. Manga goes against this nonsense. Only piercing attacks have ever beating his auto defence;
-Chidori
-Kimimaro's Spikes on his back in V2
Whereas brute force attacks were blocked;
-Susano'o swords;
-ay's foot
Optimistic
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Show me a manga scan of Gaara blocking Sasuke's Susanoo blade. Lightning Straight has quadruple the power of a Chidori. Add v2 Ei's speed into that and it smashes his sand no problem. Again, sand is Doton based and Doton < Raiton.
Never said sasuke so that shows how little you know of the manga.
It's a fact that piercing attack > Gaara's attacks not brute force. Else the sand wouldn't crumble to 2 little guys (sasuke and kimimaro) but then hold it's own against susano'o sword, deidara's C2 and ay's foot. That would make 0 sense.
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The susano'o swords never got through. The force of the attack was just so powerful that it blew him away. And, that's just with auto defence which is his weakest sand defence.
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gaara's sand isnt weaker than raiton,it blocked a v2 strike from A which was said to be bijuu level.
PTS gaara isnt the same as curent gaara,and PTS gaara in the SRA arc blocked kimimaro's bone spear,which is a piercing and drilling attack,so piercing attacks arent his weakness either.
Raikage couldnt break ribcage susanoo when he was enhanced by onoki,he isnt breaking through a sand dome.
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gaara chases onoki and stops him from forming a jinton,tsunade handles A.
First line is true
second line is garbage.
they are. That was a special scenario. Apart from that being his best sand defence (shukaku ultimate defence), he also added hard mineral(stone) from the earth into it thereby eliminating it's piercing weakness. Grains of sand can roll over each other so that the first layers can move apart to slow down an attack and block crush and slash attacks, but piercing attacks are too pin point, the power can't be desipapted properly and can go through. That's the reason why kimi's bone bullets went through his sand also, even though it was stopped on the way out.
Since rocks can't really be pierced easily, the defence of those minerals compounded with the properties of the sand to create an ultimate defence that really couldn't be broken by convential attacks,
gaara always crushes rocks and nerals to make more sand,that shukaku defence was made to counter kimimaro's bone drill,thatshukaku shield is compressed with chakra to extreme levels,thus making it above normal sand. Kimimaro's bullets were blocked by his sand easily. He hit gaara once,and that was when he went cs2,sasuke's cs2 equialed 1tk naruto,kimimaro's power and mastery of his cursed seal far outclassed sasuke t that point,so imagine the level of power he would have been at,thus he mauled through gaara's normal defences,but still didnt pierce his sand armour. When he used his bone drill which was his strongest bone,and thus his strongest piercing attack(which would make it around A or even S class),gaara made an equally strong shield.
Chidori was an A class technique,gaara's defence wasnt that powerful in the chunnin exam era.
By the SRA era,he blocked kimi's bones,and bone spear broke on his defence. Piercing attacks are no longer a weakness to gaara. His weakness is oil,or a very powerful jutsu,whether piercing or impact.(ps,tbb etc)
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Ei solos. Ohnoki makes him lighter and then he will chop all their heads of by speed blitzing. Ei low diff, mid at most.
Fu The Nanmbi
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It doesn't matter if he always collects minerals. The fact is, that defence had minerals in it's most compact state, therefore it was far stronger than any other defence of his even the dome during the chunnin exams. Furthermore, he doesn't always have minerals in his sand. Half the time he's using gourd sand which is just pure sand with extra chakra so that it's faster, etc, than other sand. During that battle, shukaku was so thick and so compacted with minerals that kimi just couldn't get right through. Gaara's normal defenses aren't that concentrated with minerals, he only did that one because of kimi's apparent stab attack choice.
And, even then, kimi still
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of it further exemplifying gaara's weakness to stab attacks.Notice how kimi goes through his normal defence (not auto defence, but a strong defence that had no mineral). Kimi goes in with those spikes on his back taking the lead;
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throughout the manga gaara's sand has effectively blocked Explosive, slash, and crush attacks. His weakness is and always has been piercing attacks and oil. That doesn't mean all piercing attacks work as it has to be a strong enough piercing attack.
Gaara's sand can block a TBB/PS. The reason it literally probably ever won't is because he is incapable of making a large enough and thick enough shield to cover thee blast area. If gaara could make a big enough shield, it could tank those attacks, but they win out only because of sheer scale. It's the same reason shinshuu would beat his sand even though it's just a bunch of punches and he's blocked punches.
Even towards the recent chapters kishi still shows he's a bit weak to piercing considering madara's magatama's were able to make it a bit through his sand even though magatama's only have slight piercing power.
Well that's some utter nonsense, but have fun in lalaland.
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the only justu he have that can kill tsunade is jinton, but those are easy to avoid. He cant use the huge jinton because he lack reserves. Like I said tsunade whoop his old ss