Ay vs Darui, Asuma, Temari, Kitsuchi and early part2 Kakashi

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Here dumbass,

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before you open your loud mouth why don't you try to read the manga for once? Usually I don't need to spoon feed people in debates since they have already read the manga, you're the worst debater I've met so far yet you claim you're better than everyone, that is quite laughable.

Yet he simply blocked it with his two arms, as B was able to block it with his Octopus arm. Using this logic, doryuuheki can tank it. Have you seen the damage kakashi has tanked throughout the majority of shippuden, especially currently? Don't forget kamui can warp himself too at near instantaneous speeds. To cut lightning with his raikiri (which was pre-part 1), do you realize how fast lightning travels? 1,077 miles PER SECOND. If you think A at max speed is that fast, you are delusional beyond belief and a hater/fapboy.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

This part gave me syphilis. It stats as a FACT that Raiton no Yoroi, v1 or v2, heightens the reflexes of the user. Dodged Sasuke's line of sight while Mangekyou Sharingan was active?

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When using the armour at full power, it causes the tips of A's hair to spike up[1] and his reflexes are said to be comparable to those of Konoha's Yellow Flash, making it difficult even for the Sharingan to keep up with him.[2] By combining this armour with the Body Flicker Technique, he can even dodge Sasuke's Amaterasu and Jūgo's attack, both at point blank range. Only Minato Namikaze's Flying Thunder God Technique,[3] and Naruto Uzumaki while in his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode are faster than A at his maximum speed, with the armour's maximum power.[4]

The armour also increases the user's defences, drastically reducing, if not completely negating, damage from incoming attacks as seen when A deflected a back attack from Sasuke's Sword of Kusanagi: Chidori Katana.[5]

As for V2, I was referring on it's only strong attack, Lightning Straight. As for movement with V2, he appears as if he is limited to basic directions and was moving at speeds so fast it was almost hard to control his attacks.

Lightning Straight moves so fast that he isn't (if so, only barely) able to change altitudes at that point.

 

[iiDarui]

lol that part gave me syphilis too, I think this is going to be my new sig.

xD heck yeah. Good idea

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

lol that part gave me syphilis too, I think this is going to be my new sig.

If anything, I should have multiple sigs from the delusional fanboy posts you two have posted.. I know he is learning, but I am convinced you are trolling upon this point. A is not faster than lightning, not even close. Raikiri will pierce the armor and discrediting that fact is non-disputable. To cut lightning with raikiri, it also shows just how fast Kakashi's reflexes are. Even so, with two raikiri, he can negate Raiton: Gain which effortlessly surpasses Raiton Armour:

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"Worst Debater" when you are continously backing up your arguments with flawed logic, fanboy denial, pure assumption and worst of all: bias.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Lmao this guy, his stupidity is priceless I swear, I've been using the manga and databook to prove my point with irrefutable facts, Kakashi can't physically react to his speed = fact, Sasuke is as fast as Kakashi = fact, a punch can obliterate Kakashi's face = fact, you have nothing to disprove these facts, so the manga and the databook are flawed? Go write a letter to Kishi if you're unhappy little kid, you're getting your ass handed to yourself just deal with it and leave this thread with your tail between your legs. Lol I'm done here, I win, see ya.

Reaction Speed = Movement speed with the legs? Jesus.. Have you seen what kakashi was able to do with Kamui?

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He instantly vaporized an incoming missile from a long distance.

Not only that, I proved raikiri was able to vaporize Raiton techniques, while it also split a blade of lightning itself pre-shippuden, 1,077 miles per second.. A doesn't even travel that speed per hour, if he did, Minato would not have had the time to dodge the attack. Quit dodging my points and coming back with pure bias. I have posted 10+ facts in this thread, you have posted nothing but non-logical arguments and you avoid the point. I won here. Solo'd ezpz.

 

[iiDarui]

As for V2, I was referring on it's only strong attack, Lightning Straight. As for movement with V2, he appears as if he is limited to basic directions and was moving at speeds so fast it was almost hard to control his attacks.

Lightning Straight moves so fast that he isn't (if so, only barely) able to change altitudes at that point.

Even says that Raiton no Yoroi deflects anything. Now you're trying to deny facts?

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Even says that Raiton no Yoroi deflects anything. Now you're trying to deny facts?

Other than inferior close range techniques, what almighty attacks has it deflected, may I ask?

I don't even see a post about "deflecting everything". Manga page or reference please?

 

[iiDarui]

Other than inferior close range techniques, what almighty attacks has it deflected, may I ask?

I don't even see a post about "deflecting everything". Manga page or reference please?

The armour also increases the user's defences, drastically reducing, if not completely negating, damage from incoming attacks as seen when A deflected a back attack from Sasuke's Sword of Kusanagi: Chidori Katana.[5]

 

[iiDarui]

Other than inferior close range techniques, what almighty attacks has it deflected, may I ask?

I don't even see a post about "deflecting everything". Manga page or reference please?

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[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Speed isn't only about leg speed, it also includes reaction speed involving body movements.
How does that even have anything to do with reacting to a close range attack? If Sasuke wasn't able to physically react to his speed in V2 there's no way Kakashi can since he's as fast as Sasuke, your own logic used against yourself.

And another baseless assumption, Raikiri is a close range attack, he will have to actually be able to touch Ay to even damage him but I've already proved that he can't. My arguments are supported by the manga and databook themselves therefore you are denying actual facts, the only one showing bias here is you since you are an obvious Kakashi fanboy, just give up , I win.

You keep denying the fact that A is nowhere near the speed of lightning, and Raikiri split a lightning bolt completely. I've already established how current Kakashi beats A, high diff due to speed yes, but he still manages.

Also explained how this fight is also a high diff on team jounin.

 

[Murasame]

The problem is that you base yourself off of meaningless statements, cutting a bolt of lightening doesn't mean anything, if he was as fast as you make it seem he would be untouchable which is far from being the case as he was too slow to even touch Deva Path with Raikiri. You are actually saying that Kakashi is faster than Ay which is absurd. Kakashi can,t beat him if he can't touch him nor react to his speed, Ay could one shot all of Team 2 individually.

I say you won the debate in my opinion lol

 

[TheEvilOne]

If Raikage tries to take him head on(like he's seems to like doing), he will.

Kakashi with raikiri isn't exactly slow, either.

Indeed, but he still is nowhere as fast as even V1 Ay. The Raikage can just blitz him and kick his head off. Kakashi has no Susanoo, like Sasuke. Nothing could protect him.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Indeed, but he still is nowhere as fast as even V1 Ay. The Raikage can just blitz him and kick his head off. Kakashi has no Susanoo, like Sasuke. Nothing could protect him.

Sasuke can react to v1 Ei, so can Kakashi.

v2 Is where the problem would come in.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Sasuke can react to v1 Ei, so can Kakashi.

v2 Is where the problem would come in.

Early part2 Kakashi had problems activating the MS. Don't you think until he activates it, Ay can kill him?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Indeed, but he still is nowhere as fast as even V1 Ay. The Raikage can just blitz him and kick his head off. Kakashi has no Susanoo, like Sasuke. Nothing could protect him.

Kakashi can definitely react and hit V1 Ay.

He is faster than Sasuke.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Kakashi can definitely react and hit V1 Ay.

He is faster than Sasuke.

Lol, what? Probably the war arc Kakashi is as fast as Sasuke, but the early part2 Kakashi is pretty slow ( 4 points in databook, he is slightly faster then Tsunade ).

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Lol, what? Probably the war arc Kakashi is as fast as Sasuke, but the early part2 Kakashi is pretty slow ( 4 points in databook, he is slightly faster then Tsunade ).

He has 4.5 actually.

 

[Bogard]

Darui has already shown to be fast enough to keep up with V1 A, so will Kakashi who will even read his movements and take advantage of this with Sharingan like Sasuke, but since raikiri > chidori, A may die instead of a small hole in his chest. V2 requires Bijuu level chakra, so it's not something A can use very often. He only use it before an important threat or when he knows he has other choice.

Reason why even bloodlusted against Sasuke he only used it at the moment Sasuke activated his MS to dodge his Amaterasu and counter-attack via shunshin. being one-dimensional like A is also a problem especially since on jounin side, they have a great long range fighter like temari using powerful fuuton jutsus that even leveled a forest in part1(fuuton> raiton). Not even mentioning Kitsuchi's mountain sandwich here. A may be fast, but he would not be able to handle all these opponents. I can argue that Kakashi with anyone of his partner could win this fight, let alone with their back-ups

 

[EliteKakashi]

Early part2 Kakashi had problems activating the MS. Don't you think until he activates it, Ay can kill him?

Kakashi doesn't need MS to kill the raikage.

Raikiri would do the job.

 

[TheEvilOne]

He has 4.5 actually.

No, early part2 Kakashi had only 4. He got 4, 5 after the Pain arc.