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There rivals, so Minato used that wording, he is noting that when it comes to analytical skills Naruto and Sasuke are in the same league.

He was basically saying that Naruto isn't losing in that area.

No they analytical skills are not in the same league, not at all. The reason we sasuke fans say sasuke is smarter than naruto is not just becos of what minato said in last wks chapter, but that's how it has in the manga, sasuke has always been analytic right from part 1, the deidara battle being the pick of battle easily trumping any smart feat naruto has shown. Sasuke being more intelligent shuld not be debatable. I don't even believe minatos sayin in this chapter equats their skills.
 

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No they analytical skills are not in the same league, not at all. The reason we sasuke fans say sasuke is smarter than naruto is not just becos of what minato said in last wks chapter, but that's how it has in the manga, sasuke has always been analytic right from part 1, the deidara battle being the pick of battle easily trumping any smart feat naruto has shown. Sasuke being more intelligent shuld not be debatable. I don't even believe minatos sayin in this chapter equats their skills.

Then why didn't Sasuke come up with the idea to save them?

Why didn't Sasuke figure out that Obito was actually planning to seal the Tailed Beasts inside himself and wasn't under Madara's control?

And why is Sasuke trying to kill the Tailed Beasts when they will just reform later on?

Edit: For the record it was Minato who said it not me, take it up with him.
 

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No they analytical skills are not in the same league, not at all. The reason we sasuke fans say sasuke is smarter than naruto is not just becos of what minato said in last wks chapter, but that's how it has in the manga, sasuke has always been analytic right from part 1, the deidara battle being the pick of battle easily trumping any smart feat naruto has shown. Sasuke being more intelligent shuld not be debatable. I don't even believe minatos sayin in this chapter equats their skills.
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Naruto is stronger in terms of power but Sasuke has him outclassed when it comes to being a genius and making strategies.
disagree with this. only shikamaru in sasuke and naruto age might called genius of strategy
 
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No they analytical skills are not in the same league, not at all. The reason we sasuke fans say sasuke is smarter than naruto is not just becos of what minato said in last wks chapter, but that's how it has in the manga, sasuke has always been analytic right from part 1, the deidara battle being the pick of battle easily trumping any smart feat naruto has shown. Sasuke being more intelligent shuld not be debatable. I don't even believe minatos sayin in this chapter equats their skills.
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No they analytical skills are not in the same league, not at all. The reason we sasuke fans say sasuke is smarter than naruto is not just becos of what minato said in last wks chapter, but that's how it has in the manga, sasuke has always been analytic right from part 1, the deidara battle being the pick of battle easily trumping any smart feat naruto has shown. Sasuke being more intelligent shuld not be debatable. I don't even believe minatos sayin in this chapter equats their skills.

Sasuke's not a mind reader and he can't predict the future,hell he probaly thinks the tailed beasts are evil beings of destruction and he does'nt know that they can't actually die.
 

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Then why didn't Sasuke come up with the idea to save them?

Why didn't Sasuke figure out that Obito was actually planning to seal the Tailed Beasts inside himself and wasn't under Madara's control?

And why is Sasuke trying to kill the Tailed Beasts when they will just reform later on?

Edit: For the record it was Minato who said it not me, take it up with him.

How there hell is he supposed to know what obito was plannin? Naruto knew becos he has the chakra of the tailed beasts and he felt them bein absorbed into obito.sasuke doesn't have their chakra so how is he supposed to know? As for rinne tensei, your poin doesn't rily make sense becos naruto has seen the handsigns before being done by nagato hence he could easily tel that obito was doing a different handsign. Sasuke has never seen the rinne tensei hand sign so how should he know? Lol is he a magician, even the kages didn't know that so that point is invalid. as for d last point how are u sure sasuke knows that the beasts would be reborn? Its possible he doesn't have that information, besides what does that hav to do with bein anylatical in battle? I thaught that was the argument not whether he plans to kill beasts. Narutos stupidity shone when he tried a rasenshuriken on nagato despite having knowledge on the rinnegans preta path absorbin ninjutsu. That was plain stupid. Sasuke has is own "not smart" moment but overall in intelligence and smarts like prince charles says, he is superior to naruto in the department
 

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How there hell is he supposed to know what obito was plannin? Naruto knew becos he has the chakra of the tailed beasts and he felt them bein absorbed into obito.sasuke doesn't have their chakra so how is he supposed to know? As for rinne tensei, your poin doesn't rily make sense becos naruto has seen the handsigns before being done by nagato hence he could easily tel that obito was doing a different handsign. Sasuke has never seen the rinne tensei hand sign so how should he know? Lol is he a magician, even the kages didn't know that so that point is invalid. as for d last point how are u sure sasuke knows that the beasts would be reborn? Its possible he doesn't have that information, besides what does that hav to do with bein anylatical in battle? I thaught that was the argument not whether he plans to kill beasts. Narutos stupidity shone when he tried a rasenshuriken on nagato despite having knowledge on the rinnegans preta path absorbin ninjutsu. That was plain stupid. Sasuke has is own "not smart" moment but overall in intelligence and smarts like prince charles says, he is superior to naruto in the department

LOLOLOL

Take a chill pill man I was messing with you when I pointed that out.

But I maintain, that they both have excellent analyzing skills, they just work very differently with Sasuke making strategies that are logically sound.

While Naruto makes unorthodox strategies using very different methods.
 

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Some Sasuke fans (yes, I'm looking at you mistersimple and champ) say that this scan proves that Sasuke's smarter than Naruto.
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This argument was flawed to begin with since he didn't say Sasuke was more skilled than Naruto. He just complimented Sasuke for his intelligence at that point. Now, look at this.
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Minato sated that Naruto's keeping up with him. It's cannon, Naruto's skills=Sasuke's. To the Sasuke fanboys and Naruto bashers, stop coming to conclusions way before you have enough info to judge. Stop picking at every little thing that happens in the manga and try to squeeze some wording out to say Sasuke>Naruto. It's annoying to everyone, and chapters like these will just make you look plain stupid.


Note. I have no problem with people who are fans of Sasuke. I just can't stand the fanboys and the annoying people who call him "Lord Sasuke"

god i didnt think this many naruto fanboys would cry this much.

its like all of you are on your period, you claim things with no proof and cant be told your wrong, like a stubborn mule.


sasuke is smater than naruto
sasuke is the better ninja then naruto
sasuke is on par at the least with KCM naruto


Deal with it
 

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LOLOLOL

Take a chill pill man I was messing with you when I pointed that out.

But I maintain, that they both have excellent analyzing skills, they just work very differently with Sasuke making strategies that are logically sound.

While Naruto makes unorthodox strategies using very different methods.

Loll ah ok its kul, I respect your opinion, and yh I agree with you on them having their own strategies. Nice debate
 

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god i didnt think this many naruto fanboys would cry this much.

its like all of you are on your period, you claim things with no proof and cant be told your wrong, like a stubborn mule.


sasuke is smater than naruto
sasuke is the better ninja then naruto
sasuke is on par at the least with KCM naruto


Deal with it

Gosh, I can't believe Sasuke fans can be so simple minded. Reverse Naruto with Sasuke before you said fanboys, and that's an accurate interpretation of what happened before this chapter.


Note: Just because you say something is a certain way, doesn't mean that that's the case. You must give valid proof of your statement. Your post is absolutely meaningless since it has none. Also, you're attacking me, not my argument. That's a fallacy of reasoning.
 

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In my opinion both of Minato's statements hold little weight behind them. He has yet to see either of them go full power or to be pushed to the limit.. What he is thinking is just his first impressions of Sasuke and Naruto as he knows very little about them or there complete skill sets, or there past fights, achievements etc. If it was Kakashi saying this than I could take it seriously but Minato has been Dead ever since the two were born, so his opinion of Sasuke and Naruto's abilities should not be taken as Manga fact unless we see otherwise.

As for Naruto and Sasuke, both of them, in fights against opponents supposedly stronger than them have shown more analytical abilities and intelligence than against weaker enemies. Why would kishi waste panels showing how a character outsmarts another if he can just take them down with raw power. Sasuke took on Deidara and Itachi when he showed most of his exceptional skills which were impressive I agree. But Naruto showed his skills too when he took on pain but it was downplayed because in the end he had help from the Kyuubi which allowed him to win. Naruto has been characterized from the beginning as un-shinobi-like with his boisterous personality and Orange-Jumpsuit, but when it comes to battle, he has been shown to be rather cunning, at least when when the plot allows, but admittedly inferior to Sasuke as far as we have seen.

But still, the intellect level of current Naruto or Sasuke is hard to Judge given that Sasuke has shown little planning and intelligence since He received the MS, even the Danzo win was more with power than intelligence or skill IMO. So does that mean he lost his skills and intelligence? No, it means that it was not concentrated upon by kishi because Sasuke did not need it to beat Danzo. Same thing as we would never have seen Naruto coming up with a plan to beat 3rd Raikage if he hadn't tanked the Rasenshuriken.

We cannot compare what level there analytical skills or battle intelligence is currently unless they actually fight against each other. If that happened, Im sure we would see Sasuke taking a smarter and more analytical approach to the battle and looking smarter than Naruto because he is seemingly inferior to Naruto in raw power from what we have seen even though Naruto has a Fox with a thousand years of battle experience to help him.
 

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^ Sasuke used power against Danzo because he had analyzed his Sharingan eyes and their Izanagi use right at the start of the battle. According to Tobi, he was going 'hard and fast' at him to make him use up all his eyes as quickly as possible. I have never seen Sasuke fighting without analyzing or countering anything in battle. His battle with Danzo in terms of analytical feats was just as impressive as it was with Deidara.

So u basically saying danzo is a cat. Even more than a cat. He can die come and cast izanagi. He cast izagani first. Do u understand how izanagi works?

WTF am I even reading here? You have no clue what you are talking about, right? Otherwise, this is signature worthy post.

please prove me where on this scan orochimaru says about intelligence.

Are you THIS idiotic that you would persist on the matter when the term 'Genius' is used right there on the scan? Seriously, someone ban this moron, I can't stand her. She's much worse than EliteRamenNinja and that is just saying a lot. Stop being a quintessential fop and admit it that you just don't understand English.

Your argument makes no sense. Since orichimaru made that statement. Sasuke is the best right. How many people that is way stronger than orichimaru had complimented naruto? I got a question for u. Shikimaru and his dad and orichimaru who is a true genius? In term of battling genius? And the statement u made about naruto needing another clone to make rasengan makes him wack or something. W.e u meant. U tryna say sasuke is perfect? Sasuke doesn't bleed when he casts sasuno right? His eyes doesn't hurt him or anything.he just cast the sasuno with no consequences right?. And does many jutsu without hurting him self right?

the title of the manga is naruto. So how the **** is sasuke stronger than naruto. The title says naruto. If sasuke was stronger. Kishi would had made it sasuke.

Plus everyone got his nature and skills.
Naruto got bijuu
Sasuke got sharingan
Both have a special skill and happen to be good at it.

Funny, because Orochimaru is not the only one:

- Kakashi acknowledged Sasuke's skills way back when the manga first started. This is one of the reason why he favoured him more. The other being his affinity.
- Top scorer in the academy. People like Shikamaru looked up to him. Manga fact, you should read up on that. This would come as a shocker for you. Lol
- Gai commented that Sasuke and Kakashi in terms of being intelligent, skillful etc were alike as he saw Kakashi's childhood in Sasuke.
- Sasuke was the first person to ever break Gaara's Absolute Defense, a testament to his intelligence that he learned such a difficult technique within a month.
- Orochimau is a genius that came once in a generation according to Hizuren. His opinion of Sasuke matter the most.

Sharingan is bloodline limit, Kurama is not Naruto's property. It was Kushina and Mito's before that. It is a being with a mind of its own. It's a completely different entity. If you want to draw a parallel, draw it between Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan etc as all these are KGs. And Kurama is certainly NOT a skill, nor is Sharingan.

All these are manga facts. Just because YOU deny them doesn't give squat weight to your argument. As for the rest of your post: What the heck are you babbling about. I didn't get a word of that.

You're making stuff up. Show me a scan where Minato says, "Naruto, grab me and Sasuke with your chakra arms so that I can teleport you away with FTG." Minato told Naruto and Sasuke how it works. Naruto then made contact with Minato with his chakra arms since he figured out that Minato could send his charka through the arm. Naruto also made a connection to Sasuke so Minato could send his chakra through. That was analyzing.

Dude, Naruto's chakra control right now is one of the greatest in the alliance considering he can adapt his chakra to be compatible for who knows how many shinobi.

Minato wasn't talking about Naruto's arsenal, he was talking about his tactical and analyzing skills compared to Sasuke.

Making what up? That Minato just explained the whole thing in the previous chapter? Do you even know what analysis means? You obviously do not, or else you wouldn't be making such an outrageously funny claim. Yes, because even if someone is told something and they end up doing exactly that, it is such an amazing accomplishment. Three cheers for Naruto. Thank god he didn't **** it up like he did with all that Nagato information. Now let's upgrade him to Sasuke's level since he has just leaped five K2s' of intelligence.

Yet he still cannot always make Rasangan with a single hand most of the time? Truly. And you are only agreeing with me, as without Kurama, he'll be back to his bait and switch Kage Bushin clones to make a single Rasangan. Really skillful. He was? Then he's a bigger jackass then I thought he was.
 

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yeah, it made total sense touching his friend and dad rather then punch obito by that chakra arm -.-
 

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Once again Shelke is wrecking this thread post by post.xd
 

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^ Sasuke used power against Danzo because he had analyzed his Sharingan eyes and their Izanagi use right at the start of the battle. According to Tobi, he was going 'hard and fast' at him to make him use up all his eyes as quickly as possible. I have never seen Sasuke fighting without analyzing or countering anything in battle. His battle with Danzo in terms of analytical feats was just as impressive as it was with Deidara.



WTF am I even reading here? You have no clue what you are talking about, right? Otherwise, this is signature worthy post.



Are you THIS idiotic that you would persist on the matter when the term 'Genius' is used right there on the scan? Seriously, someone ban this moron, I can't stand her. She's much worse than EliteRamenNinja and that is just saying a lot. Stop being a quintessential fop and admit it that you just don't understand English.



Funny, because Orochimaru is not the only one:

- Kakashi acknowledged Sasuke's skills way back when the manga first started. This is one of the reason why he favoured him more. The other being his affinity.
- Top scorer in the academy. People like Shikamaru looked up to him. Manga fact, you should read up on that. This would come as a shocker for you. Lol
- Gai commented that Sasuke and Kakashi in terms of being intelligent, skillful etc were alike as he saw Kakashi's childhood in Sasuke.
- Sasuke was the first person to ever break Gaara's Absolute Defense, a testament to his intelligence that he learned such a difficult technique within a month.
- Orochimau is a genius that came once in a generation according to Hizuren. His opinion of Sasuke matter the most.

Sharingan is bloodline limit, Kurama is not Naruto's property. It was Kushina and Mito's before that. It is a being with a mind of its own. It's a completely different entity. If you want to draw a parallel, draw it between Byakugan, Rinnegan, and Sharingan etc as all these are KGs. And Kurama is certainly NOT a skill, nor is Sharingan.

All these are manga facts. Just because YOU deny them doesn't give squat weight to your argument. As for the rest of your post: What the heck are you babbling about. I didn't get a word of that.



Making what up? That Minato just explained the whole thing in the previous chapter? Do you even know what analysis means? You obviously do not, or else you wouldn't be making such an outrageously funny claim. Yes, because even if someone is told something and they end up doing exactly that, it is such an amazing accomplishment. Three cheers for Naruto. Thank god he didn't **** it up like he did with all that Nagato information. Now let's upgrade him to Sasuke's level since he has just leaped five K2s' of intelligence.

Yet he still cannot always make Rasangan with a single hand most of the time? Truly. And you are only agreeing with me, as without Kurama, he'll be back to his bait and switch Kage Bushin clones to make a single Rasangan. Really skillful. He was? Then he's a bigger jackass then I thought he was.

Here's some food for thought. Naruto grabbed both Minato and Sasuke. He figured out that Minato could teleport both him and Sasuke. He knew that he'd be able to teleport both of them. However, Minato didn't indicate that he can teleport what that person touches as well. He had to figure that out. If it were that easy, then why did it not occur to Sasuke?
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An explanation point is usually a sign of anger or surprise. Also, tell me how Sasuke observing the edo hokages is more impressive than this.
 

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Sasuke's been smarter than naruto but in overall shinobi combat they are both extremely skilled and have been toe to toe for quite some time. I think naruto's new powerups make him stronger than current sasuke but that's my opinion.
 

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Once again Shelke is wrecking this thread post by post.xd

He's not disproving my thread at all. He might be disproving things like Orochimaru not complimenting Sasuke's intelligence, but he has no valid disproof for my thread. He's just aggressive about it. How much pent up anger does it take to act like him?
 

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Here's some food for thought. Naruto grabbed both Minato and Sasuke. He figured out that Minato could teleport both him and Sasuke. He knew that he'd be able to teleport both of them. However, Minato didn't indicate that he can teleport what that person touches as well. He had to figure that out. If it were that easy, then why did it not occur to Sasuke?

An explanation point is usually a sign of anger or surprise. Also, tell me how Sasuke observing the edo hokages is more impressive than this.

Here is a fact rather than sub-par food: 94.23.34.161/manga/mangas/Naruto/639%20-%20Attack/11.jpg . Naruto did exactly what Minato explained. I asked you; how is that an analysis or analytical feat? What the hell? Minato specifically said that once his chakra touches a person in some way, he gets teleported. What happened here is that Naruto got teleported because he touched Minato. Sasuke was teleported because he had grabbed him. You are trying too damn hard here, way too hard.

Why it didn't occur to him? Let's see, because he doesn't posses chakra arms, maybe? Who cares what an exclamation mark entails in this argument? So what IS exactly so impressive about doing exactly what is told without any analysis? He didn't find that out on his own, the way you are raving about it. As for the exclamation: . It appears that Sasuke is fully aware what has happened. I guess this must be another genius feat then.
 

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@Naruto x Man Pent up anger? Over YOU? Please, lay off whatever it's that you're smoking and don't flatter yourself.
 

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Here is a fact rather than sub-par food: 94.23.34.161/manga/mangas/Naruto/639%20-%20Attack/11.jpg . Naruto did exactly what Minato explained. I asked you; how is that an analysis or analytical feat? What the hell? Minato specifically said that once his chakra touches a person in some way, he gets teleported. What happened here is that Naruto got teleported because he touched Minato. Sasuke was teleported because he had grabbed him. You are trying too damn hard here, way too hard.

Why it didn't occur to him? Let's see, because he doesn't posses chakra arms, maybe? Who cares what an exclamation mark entails in this argument? So what IS exactly so impressive about doing exactly what is told without any analysis? He didn't find that out on his own, the way you are raving about it. As for the exclamation: . It appears that Sasuke is fully aware what has happened. I guess this must be another genius feat then.

So? That in of itself doesn't mean that the connection could be made by Naruto's chakra arm. We're the audience, we know how FTG works, but Naruto didn't get that much detail. Naruto had to analyze after observing that Minato could teleport them all along with Gamakichi. Note, that's analyzing. He made a guess that FTG contact could be made through a chakra arm of his. Considering that details like that weren't mentioned, that was analyzing.


An explanation mark means that he suddenly realized what was going on and the flashback showed that. It was surprise followed by "so that's what happened" Like it or not, this was fast thinking on Naruto's part.
 
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