[Theory] The Sage's Sons may not be bloodline brothers

[Mr Hiru]

I have been thinking about the jutsu that the Sage used to create his two sons... and I realized this was/could be a paradox all the way back.

How can the sons of a person not be brothers/half-brothers? The question is tricky, but the answer is not hard to understand... they were created through a jutsu that manipulated the Sage/Juubi's DNA. From the moment the Sage used a jutsu to separate Yin from Yang, the created entities were completely categorized as completely different and unrelated entities. The "Creation of All Things Jutsu" role was to divide the genes, and each branch would only create a heir with each respective genetics.

If the Younger and the Elder Sons were really brothers, then there would exist the probability that the Elder Son's branch (without having any couple with the Younger Son's branch) could create a Senju just because there is a little relationship between the Elder and the Younger Son's DNA (recessive gen manifested).

Simplified:

Think about this... You have a color, "purple" (Sage + Juubi's influence).

He created two entities with his jutsu, the Younger (Blue) and the Elder (Red) Sons.

Is there any relationship between these two? Not at all, both Blue and Red are completely different basic colors. The same happens with the Sons.

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This thread may be silly, but there are people who are making direct relationships between Senju and Uchiha, relationships that may are not true at all.

 

[jorgelius]

who said brothers were created?? he was worshipped as a god coz he bring juubi down he wasnt actually a god.. or so i wish

 

[AzR]

the creation of all things... hmmm how he created the 9 bijuu's, might as well he can create those 2 brothers

 

[Prime Rib]

Those were his sons. each son gained half his power. the elder son gain his dojutsu spirtual energy and strong chakra, while the younger son got his body and chakra vitality

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

Yessir , most definitely ... There's even a page in one of the chapters I think when obito was explaining SO6P in kage summit. That shows the sage and in each hand he has the yin and yang and the jubbi face behind him meaning using the power he gained from the jubbi he created his two sons ( creation of all things) to me the uchiha and senju are not related in any way only that they were created by the sage if six paths. Basically uchiha have power of the jubbi eye and senju has the power of his body hence hashi =wood style and mokuton is the jubbis body ... Look at obito now his body is like bark .

 

[Mr Hiru]

That's the thing... if the Sage was able to "perfectly divide" Yin and Yang to create two entities, these entities are not related.

 

[alikabok]

Now that you think about it. Woah. You have a nice point/idea right there. We'll see in the future if this is valid or not, but it is still a decent one.

 

[Voidstep]

That's the thing... if the Sage was able to "perfectly divide" Yin and Yang to create two entities, these entities are not related.

and from what did he divided them in the first place??
was it not from himself+juubi!?!?
they are still connected, no matter how you look at it.

Minato separated Yang and Yin from the 9tails, are they now not related to each other??

 

[Mr Hiru]

and from what did he divided them in the first place??
was it not from himself+juubi!?!?
they are still connected, no matter how you look at it.

Minato separated Yang and Yin from the 9tails, are they now not related to each other??

Of course they "share the father", but they are not related each other directly.

Or are you assuming you can get Blue from Red, knowing that the Sage+Juubi was Purple?

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

WUJI is the father of Yin and Yang, both spiritual(Yin ELDER SON) and physical(YANG YOUNGER SON) energy came from pure unlisted energy(THE JUUBI). so even if it goes that way, they are still brothers..

 

[ShiroShonen]

Yessir , most definitely ... There's even a page in one of the chapters I think when obito was explaining SO6P in kage summit. That shows the sage and in each hand he has the yin and yang and the jubbi face behind him meaning using the power he gained from the jubbi he created his two sons ( creation of all things) to me the uchiha and senju are not related in any way only that they were created by the sage if six paths. Basically uchiha have power of the jubbi eye and senju has the power of his body hence hashi =wood style and mokuton is the jubbis body ... Look at obito now his body is like bark .

Makes sense

 

[AzR]

or should we say... they are not a 'biological' brother?

 

[Voidstep]

Of course they "share the father", but they are not related each other directly.

Or are you assuming you can get Blue from Red, knowing that the Sage+Juubi was Purple?

you're the one using that red and blue logic like it is the ultimate proof/example as of why there cannot be any connection between them, not me!!

they share same genes/essence... they come from the same "place" (lack of better word).
even the manga refers to them as younger and older brothers.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

and from what did he divided them in the first place??
was it not from himself+juubi!?!?
they are still connected, no matter how you look at it.

Minato separated Yang and Yin from the 9tails, are they now not related to each other??

The comparison is not apples to apples ... We are talking about naruto being a baby and minato had to split it in order for naruto to survive .... Minato did not use creation of all things to make the chakra correct.the yin and yang was already there and minato split it ... The sage on the other hand specifically split yin and yang and created his two sons. They are related to the sage and they can be related to one another only on the fact that it was the sage that created them. The uchiha did not get thier power from the sage but the jubbi and the same with senju they got the power of the body of the jubbi hence mokuton. So if anything the uchiha and senju are related to the jubbi

 

[Voidstep]

The comparison is not apples to apples ... We are talking about naruto being a baby and minato had to split it in order for naruto to survive .... Minato did not use creation of all things to make the chakra correct.the yin and yang was already there and minato split it ... The sage on the other hand specifically split yin and yang and created his two sons. They are related to the sage and they can be related to one another only on the fact that it was the sage that created them. The uchiha did not get thier power from the sage but the jubbi and the same with senju they got the power of the body of the jubbi hence mokuton. So if anything the uchiha and senju are related to the jubbi

I get what the OP and you are saying.
and what I'm saying is... ultimately they were made/created from the same "being". that yin and yang are from the same entity.
they both got traits of the same being (father). even if different traits.
probably there could be a bether definition for them than brothers, but yet... they still share a connection.

 

[sn0wy]

I have been thinking about the jutsu that the Sage used to create his two sons... and I realized this was/could be a paradox all the way back.

How can the sons of a person not be brothers/half-brothers? The question is tricky, but the answer is not hard to understand... they were created through a jutsu that manipulated the Sage/Juubi's DNA. From the moment the Sage used a jutsu to separate Yin from Yang, the created entities were completely categorized as completely different and unrelated entities. The "Creation of All Things Jutsu" role was to divide the genes, and each branch would only create a heir with each respective genetics.

If the Younger and the Elder Sons were really brothers, then there would exist the probability that the Elder Son's branch (without having any couple with the Younger Son's branch) could create a Senju just because there is a little relationship between the Elder and the Younger Son's DNA (recessive gen manifested).

Simplified:

Think about this... You have a color, "purple" (Sage + Juubi's influence).

He created two entities with his jutsu, the Younger (Blue) and the Elder (Red) Sons.

Is there any relationship between these two? Not at all, both Blue and Red are completely different basic colors. The same happens with the Sons.

---

This thread may be silly, but there are people who are making direct relationships between Senju and Uchiha, relationships that may are not true at all.

i like it.


like.... he separated his chalkra of himself into yin and yang to create to sons

 

[Mr Hiru]

I get what the OP and you are saying.
and what I'm saying is... ultimately they were made/created from the same "being". that yin and yang are from the same entity.
they both got traits of the same being (father). even if different traits.
probably there could be a bether definition for them than brothers, but yet... they still share a connection.

The thing is that the only connection they have is their creator. They were perfectly separated, that's the essence of the Yin and Yang. Each one is a whole separately, under the statements of Taoism.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

The thing is that the only connection they have is their creator. They were perfectly separated, that's the essence of the Yin and Yang. Each one is a whole separately, under the statements of Taoism.

Still is bros :I

 

[Voidstep]

The thing is that the only connection they have is their creator. They were perfectly separated, that's the essence of the Yin and Yang. Each one is a whole separately, under the statements of Taoism.

it seems to me that, you guys are overcomplicating something so simple.

and the only way we can solve this once and for all, is to make a DNA test to both his sons to see if they are really from the same being/father/entity.

 

[Orochimagus]

Yes Hirudora. I do think the Senju and Uchiha were created with Creation of All Things. To further add to this I think the Gin and Kin brothers come from the Sage's actual bloodline, which is why they have those horns. I always wondered why a distant, watered down pair like them looked more like the Sage than the Uchiha or Senju.