[Theory] Cogitation regarding the Juubi, Rinnegan, and the zenith of Naruto and Sasuke's power

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You made great points
But I hope Sasuke doesn't get time manipulation, there's a limit to how much people should hax, and Obito set the the line, anythin above kamui shouldn't exist(not including Juubito 4 element jutsu combination spam...)

But I agree with everything said
 

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It was epic bro! Agree with everything! And it supports my opinion on Rikudou being an Uzumaki, since you explained that both, Younger son's body and Elder son's Eyes came from the Juubi. That proves that Rikudou's genes could be the Uzumaki one's! =D Awesome read, don't care how long it is!
 

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You made great points
But I hope Sasuke doesn't get time manipulation, there's a limit to how much people should hax, and Obito set the the line, anythin above kamui shouldn't exist(not including Juubito 4 element jutsu combination spam...)

But I agree with everything said

I understand your qualms but Sasuke's an Uchiha lol. We've seen so much hax from them.
Itachi - Most powerful Tsukuyomi
Shisui - Strongest Genjutsu in existence
Obito - Kamui makes him like the human version of a Shinigami

The main Uchiha is bound to get the most hax ability.
It was epic bro! Agree with everything! And it supports my opinion on Rikudou being an Uzumaki, since you explained that both, Younger son's body and Elder son's Eyes came from the Juubi. That proves that Rikudou's genes could be the Uzumaki one's! =D Awesome read, don't care how long it is!

Thanks man! It's between 5500-5700 words.=D
 

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Thanks man! It's between 5500-5700 words.=D

You know, you could add the theory on Rikudou being an Uzumaki, because if you would do that, well, you would have connected everything!

(By the way, did you see my PM?)
 

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You know, you could add the theory on Rikudou being an Uzumaki, because if you would do that, well, you would have connected everything!

(By the way, did you see my PM?)

Yea I got your PM. I like the Darker one better :)
 

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Yea I got your PM. I like the Darker one better :)

Only needed to know if you only took that ava, so I can add the other 2 to our dump! Whenever you need another ava, just come to me (if it is a easy request, otherwise ask Akasha =D)
 

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Only needed to know if you only took that ava, so I can add the other 2 to our dump! Whenever you need another ava, just come to me (if it is a easy request, otherwise ask Akasha =D)

Most definitely.
 

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Allow me quote this insightful post:

Its obvious that the Rinnegan is a purified from of the Juubi's power. It will only appear once the juubi's power is purified and is controlled by the host not by the prisoner. Not to mention that it is very likely that the juubi must be in its final form for it to truly manifest.

Why everyone keeps going on about it being impossible for the Uzumaki to be around at the time of the sage is beyond me. Its likely all the big clans have been around for a great deal of time, certain families around the world can trace their lineage back thousands of years. Royal families or nobles can do this quite easily.

Chakra existed back then before the sage and was likely utilized by practitioners, most likely a part of clans which horded what little knowledge they could glean on the subject of chakra. Chakra wielding Samurai also likely existed, but as can be seen even in Naruto's era they use it in a primitive manner using it in a very limited way.

The Uzumaki likely already had the basics of Fuinjutsu understood or invented in that era. Once the sage was born he pulled all this info together to figure out what the heck was going on with this chakra business. It is impossible for one man no matter how intelligent to single-handedly found an entire school of thought from scratch within his own lifetime. THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY. Every scientist or thinker has always built on what has come before, there has never been a great enough genius to be able to manage such a super human feat. Its like saying the very first scientist discovered physics in its totality and then gave birth to advanced technology ALL WITHIN HIS OWN LIFETIME.

For the sage to come up with the seal he used on the Juubi he needed for there to be a basic school of thought or method ALREADY in place, if he started from scratch its very unlikely that he would have managed to create such an absurdly advanced jutsu without knowing how to make a god damn sealing scroll LOL.

Ergo while the Sage was brilliant he drew upon the resources available to him IE his clan had the knowledge he needed to do what he did within his life time. If he had started from nothing he would have ended with close to nothing, and he would never have become the sage or the bearer of the Rinnegan. Everyone seems to assume that in that era of strife everyone was a dumb ass lol.

From what I can find out about the Sage he had time in his life, ALOT OF TIME, to go around preaching his truth of chakra, IE he didn't stick around most of his life thinking or working in a lab trying to find out what it was. IE he rapidly figured out what it was within his first 20 years of life more or less, sealed the Juubi during or just after that time, and then went off on his world tour lol. Then Split the juubi before his death and created the moon....That's quite the resume, but to make it remotely possible there MUST be a foundation of information/understanding of chakra to work with.

Derp, I totally agree, very insightful, valandil988 took the words right out of my mouth.
 
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Precisely and it also explains why the Sage was so obsessed with Peace and went about preaching it; he knows that by achieving world peace both nature and humanity will continue to exist together and the threat of the Juubi's destructive force will be completely eliminated as opposed to just keeping it at bay like he did.

i also think that this is the actual reason the sage of six paths divided the ten tails into lesser beings.. if you look at tailed beasts and how their state of mind/actions are affected by the believes and moods of a person, you are basically seeing a natural instinct ment to bring balance to the world.
when a jinchuriki is in balance (feels no hatred) his tailed beast will be in balance too.
 

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i also think that this is the actual reason the sage of six paths divided the ten tails into lesser beings.. if you look at tailed beasts and how their state of mind/actions are affected by the believes and moods of a person, you are basically seeing a natural instinct ment to bring balance to the world.
when a jinchuriki is in balance (feels no hatred) his tailed beast will be in balance too.

That makes a lot of sense, like the Sage anticipated that his successor would be a Jinchuuriki and planned it out this way to show him/her how to achieve the desired peace/balance. Good point.
 

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As far as all EMS users having PS, that's simply not the case. Madara was using the rinnegan when he showed off PS, and when Sasuke used his full EMS susano'o on Zetsu it wasn't massive like PS.
 

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i disagree
obito wants to use the juubi's power to boost his eyes to the ultimate level
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and reflect those eyes off the moon;that's clearly not rinnegan
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im pretty sure the sage did this as well
you dont get rinnegan from being the juubi's jin
you become like rikudo by getting the rinnegan and using the juubi's power to boost it
the juubi's nature energy and the rinnegan is yin/yang chakra
it boosts it like sage mode
 
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Excellent theory!!! I have only one point to make though..you mentioned that the Juubi possessed mokuton and as we already know it had the sharinnegan. Once we reverse engineer this, Madara with his sharingan and mokuton(senju cells) obtained the rinnegan. But rinnegan is a purified form of the Juubi's eye. What Madara(possessing sharingan=hatred) should have obtained is the Sharinnegan not the Rinnegan....this is what confuses me.
 

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Excellent theory, but the only thing I can't help but think about is where Shukaku's chakra will come from?
 

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Excellent theory, but the only thing I can't help but think about is where Shukaku's chakra will come from?

No clue. But I think Kishimoto retconned the need for it when he showed Shukaku's face alongside the other Bijuu.
 

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Excellent, I agree on all points.


I would have agreed, but todays chapter kinda proves otherwise. as you can, obito has the same appearance as the sage. the body, the staff, the lttle things around his neck, but he still has his own set of eyes, which shows me that the sage had the rinnegan before fighting the juubi.
 
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