1st argument - Naruto's clones could on their own Take on the - 3rd Raikage , Madara's wood forest , the whole battlefield of Zetsu clones - there is no that even with divided chakra - they will not be enough
2nd Argument -Comparing obito to Sasuke - Bullcrap
First off - Sasuke could indeed read Raikage's speed with even MS , but could not ract to it In time
Obito could cope with it as he has- Senju Dna ( Improving him physically) and Kamui - Which just lets him pass though any attack
Sasuke has no such feat
3rd Argument
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It took Naruto half a Page to make a Bijuu Bomb Equal in power to 7 Bijuus Forming a tbb at the same time
(1) Naruto's KCM clones did barely anything. Beat a bunch of fodder Zetsus, used a Rasengan to "beat" the 3rd raikage (3rd raikage, in theory, beat himself), Didn't take out Muu, stopped a forest using all his effort and was exhausted. Hardly any worthy feats against a V4 EMS Susano'o.
(2) As I said before, Sasuke has EMS now, which is an upgrade from MS. Naruto does not consistently display the speed of the 3rd Raikage, so he is not going to be speed blitzing Sasuke. Even if Naruto manages to blitz Sasuke, he will be met with an Enton shield and set himself on fire. He's already been shown to be reckless when using his full speed.
(3) Your point?
Sasuke managed to form and shoot an Ama Arrow in less than half a page. TBB is countered.
"King Naruto" does not solo. Try again. Wreckless Naruto most likely runs into an Enton wall.
Note that the Susano'o Itachi used to counter Kirin didn't necessarily "tank it," Itachi was left pretty worn out after countering it and was a contributing factor in getting his illness to come up in it's worst form after he used Susano'o to block Kirin and confine Orochimaru(he was literally puking blood and had severe chest pain, heart attack maybe?), as the more you over exert yourself the more damage, pain, etc. you cause to your body. Now I'm not suggesting chakra arms are as powerful as Susano'o, but still...
And I don't need to give feats of the chakra arms, because I wasn't even debating how useful they were in the first place, I was just telling you that there's no proof they can be so easily dispersed by Susano'o, which is what you claim.
No, I was saying Chakra arms are easily > Fuuton techniques... Regardless of their caliber. It's Kurama chakra, which was able to return the entirety of the SA back to full chakra, and much much more. Just by a clap tbh.
No you didn't I ended your argument with proof of v3 getting owned :yeah:
Why do I need proof to show you that? It's pure chakra from Kurama, how can you doubt the power in it? Even so... If Sasuke shoots ameterasu balls at Naruto via v4, he blocks it with chakra arms and continues you go after Sasuke with the same arms.
The manga doesn't typically show it, but anime episodes have them disintegrating. However, the cloak has disappeared before. It may have been a supression of chakra by Madara, but why wouldn't he be able to do so himself? Logically, he should be able to do so for a single arm.
(1) Naruto's KCM clones did barely anything. Beat a bunch of fodder Zetsus, used a Rasengan to "beat" the 3rd raikage (3rd raikage, in theory, beat himself), Didn't take out Muu, stopped a forest using all his effort and was exhausted. Hardly any worthy feats against a V4 EMS Susano'o.
(2) As I said before, Sasuke has EMS now, which is an upgrade from MS. Naruto does not consistently display the speed of the 3rd Raikage, so he is not going to be speed blitzing Sasuke. Even if Naruto manages to blitz Sasuke, he will be met with an Enton shield and set himself on fire. He's already been shown to be reckless when using his full speed.
(3) Your point?
Sasuke managed to form and shoot an Ama Arrow in less than half a page. TBB is countered.
"King Naruto" does not solo. Try again. Wreckless Naruto most likely runs into an Enton wall.
you said that Sasuke can (Base) cope with Naruto's speed -
Which was wrong and now you have to put Susanoo in the argument
This is where Naruto's Raw power comes into hand
Barely anything ? - Killing Zetsu fodders with amateratsu is apparently godly while soloing an Army is MEH
He did defeat the 3rd and showed Feats such as the FRS and a Wall of Rasengans - NOTHING AT ALL .- it is smt that Naruto usually made on his own
The only thing they were not capable of is a Bijuu Dama , And apparently unless they are able to do that Any clone is Fodder
Death TO LOGIC
Sasuke's amateratsu hasn't yet killed anyone - every1 has dodged it
Naruto will not go Spamming TBB's from the Start it is exausting - Naruto is also not an idiot - he would only use a TBB when he sees an opening - hence Sasuke will have almost no time to react
even Creating Enton He will only hit Kurama's chakra surrounding Naruto if that is to happen - which will not have any short term effect
Lol'ed at your excuse for clones, Guess you missed the part of naruto's clones Did this (note these clones were like 1/10th of naruto's original chakra or less) Yet defeated a Kage edo and a Clone with alot less chakra that the original made a alot of clones and spammed massive rasengans and pushed back madara's mokuton. So you argument is invalid.
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Even if naruto makes a dozen or so clones, Sasuke won't even be able to catch them, let alone "fodderize" them.
No where has it ever been stated or proven that Ms/Ems improve that sharingan's abilities to track opponents. Sasuke is no obito. Every person has different reaction timings and can react to different speeds. Sasuke already proved what he can Follow/React to when he fought raikage (someone who is slower than Naruto).
An Amaterasu arrow wouldn't throw the balance of chakra off, Not sure where you got this from. All that would happen is the amaterasu arrow would get obliterated or just turn the TBB into a flaming TBB of even more pain and death for sasuke.
Amaterasu/enton aint hitting naruto, Also if naruto gets hit (since his body is covered by a chakra shroud), what makes you think he cannot just separate that part of the shroud that got it (even though it wouldn't hit him in the first place)
Oh no, Sasuke surrounded himself in amaterasu, What can naruto do.... i know! throw a mountain busting TBB at him, I'd like to see the flamed protect against that.
(1) Naruto's KCM clones did barely anything. Beat a bunch of fodder Zetsus, used a Rasengan to "beat" the 3rd raikage (3rd raikage, in theory, beat himself), Didn't take out Muu, stopped a forest using all his effort and was exhausted. Hardly any worthy feats against a V4 EMS Susano'o.
(2) As I said before, Sasuke has EMS now, which is an upgrade from MS. Naruto does not consistently display the speed of the 3rd Raikage, so he is not going to be speed blitzing Sasuke. Even if Naruto manages to blitz Sasuke, he will be met with an Enton shield and set himself on fire. He's already been shown to be reckless when using his full speed.
(3) Your point?
Sasuke managed to form and shoot an Ama Arrow in less than half a page. TBB is countered.
"King Naruto" does not solo. Try again. Wreckless Naruto most likely runs into an Enton wall.
(1) Naruto's KCM clones did barely anything. Beat a bunch of fodder Zetsus, used a Rasengan to "beat" the 3rd raikage (3rd raikage, in theory, beat himself), Didn't take out Muu, stopped a forest using all his effort and was exhausted. Hardly any worthy feats against a V4 EMS Susano'o.
(2) As I said before, Sasuke has EMS now, which is an upgrade from MS. Naruto does not consistently display the speed of the 3rd Raikage, so he is not going to be speed blitzing Sasuke. Even if Naruto manages to blitz Sasuke, he will be met with an Enton shield and set himself on fire. He's already been shown to be reckless when using his full speed.
(3) Your point?
Sasuke managed to form and shoot an Ama Arrow in less than half a page. TBB is countered.
"King Naruto" does not solo. Try again. Wreckless Naruto most likely runs into an Enton wall.
On paper naruto is better than sasuke by a WIDE margin, plot is the only thing that keeps them remotely close, but naruto can battle sasuke all day without ever putting himself at risk, with an ocean of chakra, and he can detect sasuke from a fairly wide distance, a hostile naruto would eat sasuke for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, the only reason he can't go all out in the manga is because Kishi has to portray them as equals.
We've already seen naruto use several kcm clones with a bm clone, sasuke has no absolute defence since the clones are faster, and more durable than him. just to stand around the clones he'd need to use susanoo, and to get rid of all those clones sasuke needs a large AOE attack, and even if he does somehow manage to get rid of all the clones, be it with kirin or igniting the surrounding area with amaterasu, naruto would still be able to keep tabs on him at safe distance with sm, and sasuke will have done nothing but drain his chakra, allowing naruto to send another platoon of clones at a now tired opponent.
Ppl can say naruto is dumb, but the fact is he's still got the fox and it was compared to a captain in terms of thinking, so sasuke has no kind of advantage with intelligence what so ever.
They asked for a page of Amaterasu killing, I provided it.
If Raikage was hit directly by Amaterasu he would've died. Not even debatable. Obito got around it with Izanagi. Doesn't change the fact that he's killed 20+ Zetsu's with it.
It didn't kill him. He was acting in the same way the current edo hokage are acting; He didn't try to dodge it or counter it in anyway because he knew that it didn't matter. See how he reacted to Susano'o's arrow when Izanagi was activated and when it wasn't to understand.
2. It was never stated that MS or EMS gives better eyesight or prediction abilities. The only thing that suggests that is this.
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He may have been keeping EMS active to prepare for Kabuto, but regardless, it was never stated or hinted that he could predict better. Even if he could predict, Sasuke's body wouldn't be able to react quickly enough to Naruto's speed. After all, he couldn't even turn his head when A went full speed. However, your later point about this makes sense. However, BM undoubtedly boosts Naruto. If Naruto were put into the position where speed's the only answer, he'd use full speed.
It didn't kill him. He was acting in the same way the current edo hokage are acting; He didn't try to dodge it or counter it in anyway because he knew that it didn't matter. See how he reacted to Susano'o's arrow when Izanagi was activated and when it wasn't to understand.
1. That's actually not true. Shadow clones divide chakra reserves/stamina, not striking ability. Naruto's strongest attacks have been from using large amounts of shadow clones. Examples.....
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If we go by this logic, KCM Naruto's at least 13 times stronger than the version that fought Nagato and Itachi. That's would mean he's insanely OP without clones. However, there seemed to be no change in ability when he fought the jinchuriki. The reason clones are generally fodder are either a. plot or b. They have virtually no durability. It's also suggested that clones interfere with each other's focus.
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What Kakashi meant was that against an enemy like the juubi, who could effortlessly tank any of his attacks, shadow clones wouldn't help. After all, 0X100 is still 0.
2. It was never stated that MS or EMS gives better eyesight or prediction abilities. The only thing that suggests that is this.
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He may have been keeping EMS active to prepare for Kabuto, but regardless, it was never stated or hinted that he could predict better. Even if he could predict, Sasuke's body wouldn't be able to react quickly enough to Naruto's speed. After all, he couldn't even turn his head when A went full speed. However, your later point about this makes sense. However, BM undoubtedly boosts Naruto. If Naruto were put into the position where speed's the only answer, he'd use full speed.
3. One of the larger TBBs aren't necessary to destroy susanoo. It took Madara to make the size of his final susanoo equal to Kurama's just to block a small TBB with his swords (note, it's tiny compared to his mouth), but it blew up anyway, and when the smoke cleared, it was PS on top of Kurama.
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Kurama may have had yin chakra, but jinchuriki enhance the energies of bijus by making them more focused if what happens to Juubito happens to all. The difference between Naruto's equivalent of that TBB and his own is probably no more than twice. However, Madara's final susanoo was approximately 20 times the size of Sasuke's. He's not even tanking Naruto's smalls. As for later point, good one. However, clones as distractions could counter this.
4. First off, Naruto can use tails to block. They'll burn instead, and he can then destroy them. Chakra arms does wonders for Naruto's reach. Also, with BM Naruto's speed, focusing on making flame walls across the battlefield is the worst mistake Sasuke could make. Naruto's be on him in an instant.
BM Naruto clones could be used as distractions to catch Sasuke off guard and allow for a quick sneak attack. KCM Naruto=EMS Sasuke BM Naruto>>>>KCM Naruto/EMS Sasuke.
Now This is a counter. I actually enjoyed reading this. Keep in mind that I do believe BM Naruto > EMS Sasuke, and that I'm totally willing to be convinced he is much greater than.
I'll come up with a few counters later, some things I really agree with.
Ppl can say naruto is dumb, but the fact is he's still got the fox and it was compared to a captain in terms of thinking, so sasuke has no kind of advantage with intelligence what so ever.
I ended your argument with proof of v3 getting owned :yeah:
