[Theory] Cogitation regarding the Juubi, Rinnegan, and the zenith of Naruto and Sasuke's power

[Byron123]

You don't often post threads but when you do....=D Only thing that I would to point out is that at some point you say that Juubi is malicious whereas Kurama said it has no feelings and that's contradicts your point. Apart from that, everything else was perfect=D

 

[Transcendence]

great theory. . but i do hav a query, if by becoming juubi's jin. user unlocks rinnegan then how come obito still has only 1 rinnegan. .rest exactly looked lik rikudou but nt the eye. . rinnegan is the eye of the god but not sharingan. .and juubi is god. .so obito should hav gotten god's eye. .or is it because juubi has not reached final form yet??

I believe it is because it is not in its final form yet. As we have seen, the more it has transformed, the more its consciousness as formed as well. So the deeper the transformation the more influence the Juubi has on its host. Right now it is 1 form away. So the influence is rather large. Obito's body has protrusions from his back all because of the Juubi. Once it reaches its final form (It probably won't be inside Obito though by then) it will probably be more humanoid as well.

We will see in the coming chapters though.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

You don't often post threads but when you do....=D Only thing that I would to point out is that at some point you say that Juubi is malicious whereas Kurama said it has no feelings and that's contradicts your point. Apart from that, everything else was perfect=D

Not exactly, Kurama was describing the primordial characteristic of the Juubi before Rikudou's era (aka the dawn of time), the Juubi during Rikudou's era was most definitely a sentient, and angry entity:

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Over the eons the Juubi most definitely formed a consciousness/personality.

 

[Transcendence]

That WAS a long read.... But it was rather well done.

I dislike the thought of the Rinnegan being handed out again; but what you're suggesting and how Naruto could obtain it does have a good flow to it.

The rest seemed to be all good and in order; the explanation on the Sage and how he gained his Rinnegan sort of goes together with your idea on how Naruto will get it. I liked that, everything worked and came together like a clock.

Thanks man. I understand your quarrel with that, but I look at it a bit differently. It may have cycled between Madara, Nagato and Obito, but it only belonged and was unlocked BY Madara. So in reality, it is just being stolen/given.

You don't often post threads but when you do....=D Only thing that I would to point out is that at some point you say that Juubi is malicious whereas Kurama said it has no feelings and that's contradicts your point. Apart from that, everything else was perfect=D

Thanks man.

Yea, I realized that when writing his but I was too tired to correct that. But, to alleviate that, I added the scan that Obito said if the 10 tails was released the World would be destroyed. Its chakra was too foul and I kind of compared that to hatred.

 

[kunde]

I believe it is because it is not in its final form yet. As we have seen, the more it has transformed, the more its consciousness as formed as well. So the deeper the transformation the more influence the Juubi has on its host. Right now it is 1 form away. So the influence is rather large. Obito's body has protrusions from his back all because of the Juubi. Once it reaches its final form (It probably won't be inside Obito though by then) it will probably be more humanoid as well.


We will see in the coming chapters though.

yeah, thought so, glad to see that u agreed . . excellent theory*_*

 

[Almighty Ra]

Awesome theory and very thought provoking...Hopefully some or all of these theories will come true..Great work man

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Yea, I realized that when writing his but I was too tired to correct that. But, to alleviate that, I added the scan that Obito said if the 10 tails was released the World would be destroyed. Its chakra was too foul and I kind of compared that to hatred.

The Viz translation even used the word "Evil" Chakra I believe.

 

[Transcendence]

The Viz translation even used the word "Evil" Chakra I believe.

To be fair they are somewhat synonymous, and they both fall under the hatred category.

 

[Crt]

Nailed it hard! Nicely done.

Are you and Derp secretly accomplices of Kishimoto?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

To be fair they are somewhat synonymous, and they both fall under the hatred category.

Yes and we know that Bijuus can only have foul/evil chakra when they have feelings of hatred, like Kurama before:

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[Transcendence]

Nailed it hard! Nicely done.

Are you and Derp secretly accomplices of Kishimoto?

Don't make me blush :yayy:

 

[Ahmed1993]

Each Jinchuriki had certain side-effects from being the host of each Bijuu, correct? Naruto's whiskers

He had them before being a Jinchuriki.

Look at what Hashirama has been doing prior to the sealing. His barrier was able to hold the Juubi down, and without Obito's interference, the Juubi would not have gotten out.

Hashirama had 3 other Hokage with him , and they pinned down an Incomplete Juubi in form 2.

While people may first think when viewing this part “Rinnegan Naruto roflstomps that Sasuke” you would be dead wrong. In contrast, Sasuke’s Perfect Susano’o can tank pretty much anything Naruto throws at him. His Time Manipulation will always have Naruto on his heels, it is that hax. This would be a very equal fight of the two strongest in the entire manga.

As i said, Rinnegan Naruto would destroy Sasuke and his Perfect Susanoo with his enhanced Shinra Tensei.

The final top 10 will look like this:

1. Naruto (As the main character he will edge out Sasuke at the end)
2. Sasuke
3. Juubito
4. Hashirama
5. Madara
6. Nagato
7. Kabuto
8. Minato
9. Itachi
10. Killer Bee

It will be like Goku and Vegeta and that's what i hate.
Why can't they be like Takumi and Keisuke ( In Initial D) , Gon and Killua ( in Hunter X Hunter ) , Kurama ,Yusuke and Hiei ( in YuYu Hakusho ) etc... ?


And also you forgot to add the elder son doujutsu to Sasuke , but i doubt that it will change anything.
There's no way that a half Rikudo( Sasuke ) can rival or beat a Rikudo ( Naruto ) , so i guess i'm going to stop Naruto if your theory will be true ( which it will because it's very plausible , especially the Rinnegan and the Rikudo theory )

But no matter how you look at it , it's very good and solid theory , so you deserve + rep.

 

[Transcendence]

He had them before being a Jinchuriki.



Hashirama had 3 other Hokage with him , and they pinned down a Incomplete Juubi in form 2.



As i said, Rinnegan Naruto would destroy Sasuke and his Perfect Susanoo with his enhanced Shinra Tensei.




It will be like Goku and Vegeta and that's what i hate.
Why can't it be like Takumi and Keisuke ( In Initial D) , Gon and Killua ( in Hunter X Hunter ) , Kurama ,Yusuke and Hiei ( in YuYu Hakusho ) etc... ?


And also you forgot to add the elder son doujutsu to Sasuke , but i doubt that it will anything.
There's no way that a half Rikudo( Sasuke ) can rival or beat a Rikudo ( Naruto ) , so i guess i'm going to stop Naruto if your theory will be true ( which it will because it's very plausible , especially the Rinnegan and the Rikudo theory )

But no matter how you look at it , it's very good and solid theory , so you deserve + rep.

Thanks man. And what I mean is, Hashirama was using the Gate of God to subdue the Ten Tails. The Barrier was to hold it in, but the actually subduing was all done by only Hashirama.

And do you understand how hax a time manipulation ability would be? Kamui is pretty much the most hax ability ever, and time manipulation precedes that... You can look at it on paper and say a "Rikudo" Naruto would stomp, but time manipulation, much like 90% of Uchiha techs in the series, would be beyond haxxed and put him on par with Naruto.

 

[izzy89]

i don't know about sasuke being able to manipulate time and space....but naruto will also gain a more controlled version of the abilities obito currently possesses...and if that's the case, sasuke won't be able to handle him. good read, tho.

 

[Ahmed1993]

And do you understand how hax a time manipulation ability would be? Kamui is pretty much the most hax ability ever, and time manipulation precedes that... You can look at it on paper and say a "Rikudo" Naruto would stomp, but time manipulation, much like 90% of Uchiha techs in the series, would be beyond haxxed and put him on par with Naruto.

But there is two problem with it :

1) Whether Sasuke get it or not , it's all speculation.
2) Even if he get it , it will reduce the gap between him and Naruto , but the latter will still be the strongest.
And that's what i don't like , don't get me wrong i don't hate Naruto , and i know that it will be weird if Sasuke will become stronger than him in the end , but why can't they be equal ? Why they have to be like Goku and Vegeta ?

 

[osba]

I agree on the 10 tails host gets Rinnegan thingy, but what we are seeing right now is NOT the ten tails that the So6p fought..
That thing was on a whole other level if you look at the facts.. the 9 tails and 8 tails were capable of holding back 7 other bijuu..
If you ask me, they were even having a easy time doing so and if Madara and Obito would not have been there this war would have been over already.

BUT i disagree on the naruto powerup entirely...
Naruto will use sage mode to get Kurama up to the power Obito is showcasing right now if my ideas are correct.

I think Minato is summoning the original to give Naruto the Yin chakra.

In this thread i am going to explain how i think sage chakra and kyuubi chakra could work together, but why it right now would not make naruto stronger and thus it would not be beneficial to do so.

lets assume these are the chakra levels:
Current Kyuubi=50 (misses yin)

Naruto=6

Controlled Kyuubi mode benefit at the time he met pain = +6

Sage mode would make you 1.3x as strong:

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Okay, so my idea is that the SM+KM could only workout for so much is because he needed to form his own chakra into yin chakra to compensate for kurama's yin being missing.

It would work out as something like this:
6 controlled Kyuubi chakra + 6 Naruto Yin chakra = 12 chakra + 6 sage mode chakra = 18 chakra level.

Once naruto has the yin chakra of the kyuubi he could use it like this:
100 full Kyuubi chakra level (including yin) + 50 sage chakra level = 150 charka level.

So to conclude this theory: the reason naruto is not using kyuubi+sage mode atm is because it would require him to act as yin chakra (wich is obviously ALOT less than just using Kurama's yang).

Can't wait untill Minato hands Naruto the yin chakra and find out what kind of crazy power moves he could make! ^.^

TL;DR: naruto will get 3x the amount of chakra than he currently has according to manga facts

IF naruto get's the remaining bijuu sealed inside of him, including the 8 tails, i do however believe he wil gain the rinnegan.

That would be an awesome ending to the naruto series too.. Naruto and Sasuke fighting over the power of the "10 tails"
Sasuke or Naruto winning and reviving the loser using rinne tensei (WICH DOES NOT NORMALLY KILL YOU! NAGATO WAS LOW ON CHAKRA!)

 

[saw2097]

Very interesting and I agree with a lot of the points.

 

[Transcendence]

But there is two problem with it :

1) Whether Sasuke get it or not , it's all speculation.
2) Even if he get it , it will reduce the gap between him and Naruto , but the latter will still be the strongest.
And that's why i don't like , don't get me wrong i don't hate Naruto , and i know that it will be weird if Sasuke will become stronger than him in the end , but why can't they be equal ? Why they have to be like Goku and Vegeta ?

That's just how it will be sadly Kishi took inspiration from DBZ, so odds are the Protagonist will fulfill the Goku role and his rival will fulfill the Vegeta role.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Naruto and Sasuke fighting over the power of the "10 tails"
Sasuke or Naruto winning and surviving the loser using rinne tensei (WICH DOES NOT NORMALLY KILL YOU! NAGATO WAS LOW ON CHAKRA!)

Rinne Tensei kills you no matter how much chakra you have :

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[osba]

That's just how it will be sadly Kishi took inspiration from DBZ, so odds are the Protagonist will fulfill the Goku role and his rival will fulfill the Vegeta role.

..i wouldn't be too sure about that yet