Obito (6 Jins) VS. Edo Madara
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first off the sharingan evolves into the rinnegan no? so if it is said of the sharingan it is safe to apply to the rinnegan dont you think? not saying obito cant use his rinnegan im sayin he cant use it as well as someone with 2 rinnegans and i dont expect you to agree no worries.
as for the "trick" the obvious counter is to hit obito when he tries to attack and is solid, say distract him with a wood clone and stab him like he did tsunade. another would be to let him kamui a clone to the other dimesion like naruto and kakashi did and get him that way seein as it doesnt matter if the clone comes back. yet another would be to use genjutsu so that obito is defenseless and kill him then or even exhaust his 5 minute limit with a constant barrage of attacks.
as for the jins rengenerating well that takes time and even if they did they would have to deal with the susanoo clone that took them out before getting between madara and obito.
oh and obito is the better genjutsu user? really though? madara taught obito everything he knows about the sharingan, madara lived in times of war and has an ems to obitos ms, but ya go ahead and say obito is better, even though madara caught the raikage in battle who is supposed to be too fast for genjutsu to work on him. what are obitos genjutsu feats? yagura?
you wankers are out of control man
tell me how obito wins though? id like to hear it.
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RikudouMadara
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Imho Madara can just use the black Zetsu trick to control Obito. >_O In all honesty though...he doesn't need it imo he is already said by Kishi to have no weakness and Obito does...so by Kishis words every ninja with a weakness loses to Madara. I know this is a lame way to see it, but it is a fact.
Besides that...Madara imo still wins Bee and KCM Naruto were giving him a hard time and BM Naruto got flung with little effort. They had Obito sweating....Madara takes this imho I will give Obito 1 because he is one if my favs. Imo though Madara 9/10.
Besides that...Madara imo still wins Bee and KCM Naruto were giving him a hard time and BM Naruto got flung with little effort. They had Obito sweating....Madara takes this imho I will give Obito 1 because he is one if my favs. Imo though Madara 9/10.
EliteShinobi
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i guess im jus being ignored now? lol
ya i guess that means thats the only rinnegan tech madara can use seems legit
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RikudouMadara
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I know I was only kidding about that part...it's why I winked, but if Madara needs to be restricted imo. In an all out fight it's clear who would win imho. Even with the restrictions Kishi says Madara is perfect...until shown in the manga or by Kishi otherwise is stated....all other ninja fail in that comparison. Not to be lame but to be perfect....we all know the definition. So if Obito is not perfect he cannot win, right? Besides he was sweating fighting Naruto and Bee. Madara has yet to be uneasy...even while the Juubi Jin is there. Imho Madara wins. That's just me...but you do have Kishis words. To have no weakness is to be without a defect or flaw...so Madara wins flawless victory....lol.
All he needs is human path & outer path, he uses outer path better than nagato already so its safe to say that he cant use the ones he knows well, in fact its wrong to say otherwise.
You think its that easy? You think obito will be running around the battlefield chasing madara until he gets caught? No, obito will use the jinchuuriki for a distraction & madara has to use PS otherwise he will get fodderized by the bijuu. Not to mention obito's kamui is as fast as the speed of light so there's no way for madara to possibly hit obito, he moves on par with minato & cant be touched even by an army of mist ninja (the first time he ever used his MS), lmao.
Obito will not need to engage in battle until the end. Madara's susanoo clones are fodder compared to the bijuu so madara has to use PS, & until I see madara using PS clones then he can only use 1. 1 PS clone VS 6 bijuu with a guy pulling off sneak attacks from another dimension while he's open. I'm sorry but there's still nothing he can do
Yup, obito's genjutsu power was compared to that of shisui because of yagura, genjutsu is useless in this battle anyways as they are both uchiha but deny facts all you want hater
Dont hate, appreciate.
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1 i never said obito couldnt use them i said he wouldnt be able to use them as well as someone with both eyes meaning the chakra consumption is too much, which was confirmed in the manga thats is why the jins didnt use the 6 paths because itd be a chakra drain.All he needs is human path & outer path, he uses outer path better than nagato already so its safe to say that he cant use the ones he knows well, in fact its wrong to say otherwise.
You think its that easy? You think obito will be running around the battlefield chasing madara until he gets caught? No, obito will use the jinchuuriki for a distraction & madara has to use PS otherwise he will get fodderized by the bijuu. Not to mention obito's kamui is as fast as the speed of light so there's no way for madara to possibly hit obito, he moves on par with minato & cant be touched even by an army of mist ninja (the first time he ever used his MS), lmao.
Obito will not need to engage in battle until the end. Madara's susanoo clones are fodder compared to the bijuu so madara has to use PS, & until I see madara using PS clones then he can only use 1. 1 PS clone VS 6 bijuu with a guy pulling off sneak attacks from another dimension while he's open. I'm sorry but there's still nothing he can do
Yup, obito's genjutsu power was compared to that of shisui because of yagura, genjutsu is useless in this battle anyways as they are both uchiha but deny facts all you want hater
Dont hate, appreciate.
2 i didnt say itd be easy, but madara has mokuton and he showed this fighting naruto that he can use the wood dragon to surpress their chakra without susanoo, and even more he used flower world and put the kage to sleep which he could do to the jins as well.
3 obito isnt on par with minato, that is why minato owned him because he is faster. and please dont compare madara to the fodder from the mist lol
4 what about susanoo clones being fodder? and your calling me a hater? if 1 madara clone can use ps why cant the others? you dont make sense
your obviously underrating madara, i mean its not that hard to see how much stronger madara is than obito. you keep saying all these stupid things to boost obito like genjutsu doesnt work on him because he is uchiha, but itachi caught sasuke more than once and only when itachi wasnt fighting seriously did sasuke break out, and obitos genjutsu was compared to shisui by who? you?
you cant even name any attacks obito would use on madara besides kamui or the jins while ive named several ways madara could beat obito and the jins and you ignore them and call me a hater, i dont hate obito at all i agree he is op against anyone but madara hashirama nagato naruto sasuke minato or itachi, but to completely underrate all other charactors and simply say sorry kamui solos when kamui clearly has weaknesses is just annoying and if im a hater its because i hate obito fanboys who throw away all logic and say kamui solos.
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RikudouMadara
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Also...I feel Kishi spoke hastily when saying it...that Madara is perfect...but we cannot deny his words. Nao there is no doubt in my mind that Madara has a weakness, but it's only my opinion. I'm sure he has to be defeated...but until then Madara is the only unbeatable ninja in the manga. When he does lose or show a weakness then Kishis word in the past is made nil by the future in this case. I feel some are waiting for Madara to lose or show weakness. So I won't say it anymore, but it's fine either way I don't write the manga. Maybe tomorrow Hashirama will wipe the floor with Madara...till then though..Madara is perfect. Only by Kishis words. I'm not gonna cry....that much when it happens.:T_T::T_T:XDXD
By Kishis words Minato is unsurpassable, so does it make him stronger than Madara. Using hype to justify a win at this point is laughable at best knowing how contradictory this manga is with hype especially in your case when you misinterpretated Kishi's words. He never said Madara was perfect. He said he has no weak points(something that Kid Madara said as well), 2things completely differentAlso...I feel Kishi spoke hastily when saying it...that Madara is perfect...but we cannot deny his words. Nao there is no doubt in my mind that Madara has a weakness, but it's only my opinion. I'm sure he has to be defeated...but until then Madara is the only unbeatable ninja in the manga. When he does lose or show a weakness then Kishis word in the past is made nil by the future in this case. I feel some are waiting for Madara to lose or show weakness. So I won't say it anymore, but it's fine either way I don't write the manga. Maybe tomorrow Hashirama will wipe the floor with Madara...till then though..Madara is perfect. Only by Kishis words. I'm not gonna cry....that much when it happens.:T_T::T_T:XDXD
RikudouMadara
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I understand and respect what you're saying, but I just said that something previously said by Kishi is considered nil if something is shown in the future by Kishi to make it so. Nao...it is said that Minato could not be surpassed...then Kishi has shown and had the manga say that he has. You see...the previous becomes nothing in light of something in the future.
Also...I didn't misinterpret...I said Kishi said he has no weakness. What does weakness mean? Bogard* we both know how smart you are...weakness means to have a defect or flaw, correct? If one has no defect, or said person is flawless...then they are perfect. Am I wrong in saying this? No disrespect, but Kishis words hold far more weight than manga hype as you say. Especially previous hype that has been made nil by Kishi, correct? Madara hasn't yet...been shown to be otherwise yet, but it's no doubt in my mind that he will though.
Again...no disrespect we both know you can get very "adamant" on NB.
Although...one shouldn't laugh at others imo.
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Having no weakness =/= being perfect. Having no weakness simply means that at the very least, Madara is average in every category if not better. It doesn't mean he is perfect in every of those category but that he is good enough for them not to be considered a weak point on himI understand and respect what you're saying, but I just said that something previously said by Kishi is considered nil if something is shown in the future by Kishi to make it so. Nao...it is said that Minato could not be surpassed...then Kishi has shown and had the manga say that he has. You see...the previous becomes nothing in light of something in the future.
Also...I didn't misinterpret...I said Kishi said he has no weakness. What does weakness mean? Bogard* we both know how smart you are...weakness means to have no defect or flaw, correct? If one has no defect, or said person is flawless...then they are perfect. Am I wrong in saying this? No disrespect, but Kishis words hold far more weight than manga hype as you say. Especially previous hype that has been made nil by Kishi, correct? Madara hasn't yet...been shown to be otherwise yet, but it's no doubt in my mind that he will though.
Again...no disrespect we both know you can get very "adamant" on NB.
Basically it's as if at school you have 5/10 in every subjects. It means you have no weakpoints, but you are not perfect either
Like i've said, Madara said the same thing as a kid, but we both know there are thousand of ninjas who could have defeated kid Madara, right? You now understand the meaning behind no weakness?
Also, you say it has never been proven in the manga? Have you forgotten he said himself taijutsu was his weakpoint something the alliance shinobi agreed with and later we saw Lee cuting him in half in taijutsu? Talk about contradictory?
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RikudouMadara
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Hmm...I disagree...
I'm sorry but I do. :T_T: If you are in a class and you cannot score to the optimum of what is required you lack in an area. Thus, having a weakness somewhere or a flaw. Too err is to be imperfect, no? If you aren't scoring to the greatest point required you cannot be perfect. The definition of weakness is to have a flaw or a defect...if you are without these you have to be perfect, no? As all humans have a flaw or defect and if you lack these you are a perfect human being, no? Perfection is to be entirely without flaw...how can one be average, but be entirely without flaw?
Even so if put into said category...Madara is perfect at being a ninja. So as ninjas go he has no weakness, correct? Of course Im not trying to edify you, but this is how I feel on it. We both have our own views...I won't argue with you so I concede I accept your opinion over mine.
:flowers Lets just say as a ninja which Kishi specified that all other ninja have a weakness...the category is ninja I suppose. He goes on to say Madara in this category as an overall has no weakness. Kishi...not me. I still luv ya though we just disagree on a lot but doesn't mean I don't like you!:yayy:
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Edo Madara either ends up outlasting him or figuring out how to beat Kamui via Flower Tree World or clones. Either way Madara wins.