Hebi Sasuke Vs Kakuzu

[Nous]

How is MS/EMS Sasuke vs Kakuzu even a fair match-up? Kakuzu would get destroyed.

Are.. are you being serious?

 

[Community46]

Other then the large prep time, the fact that if Sasuke weren't on a heightened perch he could be hit with it too, Kakuzu could blast him with the long-ranged version of his. . Earth Grudge was it?

And, who says that? He spawns water, GG. That's your logic right there. Sasuke also poured ALL of his chakra out, and had Itachi's Amaterasu to help fuel that Kirin. The chances of it being as devastating are slim.

Read the location in the OP, Sasuke could simply climb on top of a tree so he doesn't get hit

He was already almost out of chakra, read the manga and goryuka would do just fine.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Why are you guys still debating with this troll? :O

because it's funny AF. I'm just sitting here laughing to tears IRL. Listening to people wonder if i'm losing my mind.

Kirin will obliterate Kakuzu's main body, it's irrelevant if the hearts survive since Kakuzu will be defeated, was that your whole argument? Pretty weak

Kirin will also obliterate sasuke. Before kirin comes down, kakuzu grabs sasuke with a tendril and draws him in. Sasuke can't move while casting kirin. He suicides and it's a draw. Sasuke still loses. Or, kakuzu uses the air mask to counter kirin. Manga fact is Wind > raiton. Kakashi cut a bolt of lightning with his finger and some lightning, kakuzu can beat it with wind.

3 claims here. You can refute none

Are.. are you being serious?

community never jokes. Pick any comment you like and sig it. There's an abundance of good material.

 

[Fodder#4]

This fool stole my avatar... Take your avatar off and replace it with something else you simpleton.

No worries, no one would mistake him for you.

Read the location in the OP, Sasuke could simply climb on top of a tree so he doesn't get hit

He was already almost out of chakra, read the manga and goryuka would do just fine.

Yes, trees.

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Almost out of chakra? Does it honestly make a difference? He was at the point where he couldn't perform ninjutsu, or much else. And before you say I am speaking out of my **** region; When Susano'o appeared and Orochimaru was dealt with, all Sasuke did was charge it. If I recall, not one ninjutsu shown.

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

I honestly think Sasuke has a good chance in winning :eww:

He has Manda that could tank Katon: Zukokku since it tanked C0, Katon: Gōryūka no Jutsu counters Fūton: Atsugai, and Raiton: Gian won't hurt Sasuke since Raiton techs don't work on him [

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]. Chidori and its variations can counter Doton: Domu.

Raikiri cut through Kakuzu's tendrils, Sasuke could do the same with Chidori and its variations.

 

[AGoodBoy]

You mean in Sasuke's favor? I agree, funnily only the Kakuzu fapboys actually disagree with the fact that Sasuke > Kakuzu.

You're done crying?

1 vote for sasuke. i wonder who that could possibly be. now, counter my claims.
kakuzu dodges, suicides with sasuke, or Defeats a lightning bolt with wind

 

[DrProof]

You mean in Sasuke's favor? I agree, funnily only the Kakuzu fapboys actually disagree with the fact that Sasuke > Kakuzu.

You're done crying?

I know what the problem is.. You're in a Genjutsu aren't you? Is this you ->

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[Transcendence]

Neg rep because I have proved you wrong? How pathetic.
No counters? as expected.

He countered everything you said and proposed a counter to Kirin which you failed to acknowledge.

 

[Community46]

No worries, no one would mistake him for you.


Yes, trees.

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Almost out of chakra? Does it honestly make a difference? He was at the point where he couldn't perform ninjutsu, or much else. And before you say I am speaking out of my **** region; When Susano'o appeared and Orochimaru was dealt with, all Sasuke did was charge it. If I recall, not one ninjutsu shown.

Kirin only require a very small amount of chakra to execute.
Yes and as you can see in the background, there are thousand of those trees.

 

[Transcendence]

I have proved.. That Kakuzu > Kirin in two ways, in which Sasuke wouldn't even get the chance to use Kirin in the first place.. As well I've proved Kakuzu speed blitz Sasuke who is the same speed as Kakashi.. Also, I never stated Kakuzu didn't have any organs a heart is an organ if you're knowledgeable you'd know this.. I'm going to need you to take a look at these again:

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Kakuzu's Counter to Kirin:





Kakuzu Speed Blitz Sasuke:



Kakuzu's Immunity to Genjutsu:

Here is the counter Community46. Have a good day now.

 

[Community46]

He countered everything you said and proposed a counter to Kirin which you failed to acknowledge.

I presume you didn't follow the discussion? Oh but that is completely irrelevant since you are biased anyway.

 

[DrProof]

Neg rep because I have proved you wrong? How pathetic.
No counters? as expected.

Whatever do you mean?

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Kakuzu's Counter to Kirin:

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Show me a scan of Kirin being activated without prep time against Team 7. Exactly you can't because all Sasuke did was raise his hand within the air, we have seen nothing to think otherwise. But wait, I'll entertain that "what if":

Okay, Sasuke is in the act of using Kirin, Kakuzu has deployed his hearts to go aerial:

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Kirin is then guided, and aimed at Kakuzu killing him, and the heart in which is/was present inside of him. Now this is what happens:

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The masks act on their own free will similar to that of Kisame's symbiotic partner Samehada. Once Kakuzu is down, the mask(s) would rush to his aid hastily (yes they are indeed quick):

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As you can see they've just emerged from the smoke in which Choji caused via expansion jutsu + slamming his hands downward on the mask(s). Thus, rushing to Kakuzu's aid isn't a problem. So what's your next argument?

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I love how you're relying so much on Kirin, when in reality Sasuke wouldn't get the chance to use it. Any other points I need to refute other than: "Kirin > Kakuzu" which is pure blasphemy.

Show me a scan of Kirin obliterating anyone, oh right, you can't. Hey though, let me also entertain that "Kakuzu's body gets obliterated":

Kakuzu's body is that of a Ragdoll's meaning he is made 100% out of tendrils:

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Your only argument is that Kirin obliterates Kakuzu's body, well as it's been shown many times kakuzu's body is strictly tendrils, with hearts implemented, what proof do you have to say that Kakuzu can't reattach himself tendril by tendril similar to how he reattached Hidan's head, or Deidara's arm forming himself once again? After all he is just a threaded ragdoll as I previously stated. It's not just that, an interesting point as well would be this:

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Kakuzu's arm is made strictly of tendrils/threads in which they move on their own, they think on their own, but they don't act on their on. This pieces itself together rather nicely you see because even while Kakuzu is DEAD the tendrils/threads/masks still aid their master:

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Kakuzu would be reconstructed via his tendrils.

Kakuzu Speed Blitz Sasuke:

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Attitude is not shown over the internet so comments such as these: "Getting mad because you've been proven wrong I see" are rather rhetorical.

Also I'm pretty sure Databook 2 Stats are for Hebi Sasuke; while Databook 3 stats are for MS/EMS Sasuke.. Hebi Sasuke possesses a 3.5 in speed, while Kakuzu possesses a 4 in speed. However, to prove that Kakuzu is able to speed blitz Sasuke in either DB entry here is this:

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A very significant feat that no one seems to highlight is this very simple scan here:

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My friends, look at Kakuzu's positioning. He's clinically dead, not to mention prone and several feet behind Kakashi; the fact he was able to switch out his heart for one that was not destroyed, get up, and catch up with someone like Kakashi - Who is 0.5 (4.5 in the Databooklet.) units faster than Kakuzu (I take it with a pinch of salt as the Databooklet can often be contradictory or invalid.) is a grand exemplification of Kakuzu's speed in quick bursts. If he really wanted he could have used something more lethal than a glancing blow.

The other major thing is the very nature of the man who'm Kakuzu outmatched: Kakashi - Who has a Sharingan. This isn't just any Sharingan, Obito Uchiha's Sharingan; which was stated to be superior to part one Sasuke's Sharingan at the very least.

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Now, arguments can be made that Sasuke's Sharingan has surpasse Kakashi's he currently is, but the simple fact that Kakuzu left a three Tomoe/MS user dazed and confused is very significant.

Just look at his reaction:

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It wasn't like Kakashi's Sharingan was in a state of not being used, prior to their engagement Kakashi had been reliant on the Sharingan to observe Kakuzu's every move.

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Thoughts?



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I forgot to add this.

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The fact that he had completely disappeared from sight, to then appear right behind Shikamaru; to then throw a devastating attack at Shikamaru - Of which he never used Doton Domu for (Strength feat?), to then instantly recover (Look at last slide.) and give chase demands attention.

Kakuzu's Immunity to Genjutsu:

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You still have proven nothing on Sasuke's part. He is speed blitzed by Kakuzu, as he did against Kakashi. Oh, and if any Genjutsu > Kakuzu comments arise here's this:

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Kakuzu has an interesting body structure as many of you have already noticed, Kakuzu is able to deploy hearts using his tendrils (he's a rag doll after all) which are known as "ghosts" or masks. Now his body structure is the key to countering ANY, and ALL Genjutsu-based approaches, and here is why.

Take a look at this quote:



The only known organ within Kakuzu's body are hearts (need to use various elemental nature affinities) however, some may argue that it is irregular that he doesn't possess a brain, and that he more than likely possesses one. I say this is false due to that fact that we've seen another Akatsuki member with a "5" in intelligence, along with no bodily functions limited; that shinobi would be Sasori.

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The only living things on Sasori is his core, and what exactly did his core contain? Well it's rather interesting:



So due to the quote above, all that is needed to operate the shinobi body is a chakra storage in which is capable of executing chakra through out their bodies to perform techniques, and bodily movements; basically chakra controls everything. Kakuzu has a similar structure to Sasori, Kakuzu is a rag doll, while Sasori is a puppet they're both entities that we don't believe to have brains correct? (a puppet, or a doll having a brain would be quite absurd).

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His hearts channel chakra throughout his whole body enabling him to control his tendrils (which take chakra to use as well; Jiongu), along with his elemental ninjutsu-based assaults/defenses. This is how his masks were able to fight independently even when he died multiple times, it's due to the fact that "the heart serves as a chakra executor" (all the body needs to function in the NarutoVerse is a chakra storage in which transfers chakra through the body). Here you can see a dead Kakuzu, and his mask (containing each a single heart) acting dependent sort of like a symbiotic attachment like Kisame, and Samehada's relationship:

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To furthermore prove that Kakuzu is truly immune to Genjutsu, take a look at this quote about Kinjutsu (Jiongu is a Kinjutsu after all):



Pay attention heavily to the second category, "violates the laws of nature". Well isn't that exactly what Jiongu does? It allows the user a state of immortality, by the integration of a maximum of 5 hearts, while also allowing the user to take on a rag doll like body structure completely being made up of threads/tendrils. Thus I can conclude that Kakuzu does not have a brain, uses his heart as a chakra executor to transfer chakra into his tendrils to perform bodily movements along with the ability to perform elemental attacks, and grants him immunity to Genjutsu.

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To strengthen my point, when Orochimaru absorbed his Chakra from Kabuto, he obtained memories and information from him.

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When Itachi prodded Sasuke he forced information - Amaterasu - into Sasuke, the fact he had Itachi's MS style shows his influence.

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Just confirms that in the NV that Chakra can contain information, that a heart as the source of Chakra can be seen as Kakuzu's 'brain'. There's also the fact that if he's connected to any of his hearts and is subjected to Genjutsu that the mask's different Chakra signature would cancel it out - an outside force.

 

[Community46]

Wow Kakuzu fanboys are really mad as I can see, it's just too funny

Whatever do you mean?

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Kakuzu's Counter to Kirin:





Kakuzu Speed Blitz Sasuke:



Kakuzu's Immunity to Genjutsu:

I already countered that, why copy paste it?

 

[AGoodBoy]

I honestly think Sasuke has a good chance in winning :eww:

He has Manda that could tank Katon: Zukokku since it tanked C0, Katon: Gōryūka no Jutsu counters Fūton: Atsugai, and Raiton: Gian won't hurt Sasuke since Raiton techs don't work on him [

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]. Chidori and its variations can counter Doton: Domu.

Manda tanking C0 is the because lie perpetuated on this site. Manda only got partially hit with the attack. If anything, manda was killed with the initial tip of the attack before it fully formed over 10km, before sasuke immediately unsummoned. Manda didn't tank C0 and still couldn't survive.

Answer these questions... If manda really did tank C0; What was the point of unsummoning him? what was the point of it shedding skin and burrowing during jiraiya's massive katon?

Infact, you could even make another claim that manda was automatically unsummoned by tanking fatal damage like what happens with summons usually. But, the problem with that is that we've seen plenty summonings take heavy damage and survive, whereas manda straight up got killed. Manda can't just go tanking anything, he'd eventually die.

And all that is without considering the fact that manda is exclusive CQC and any flying mask is completely out of it's reach to blast away without any hindrance. Manda and Manda 2 have never shown any mid/long ranged attacks (as best as i can recall)

 

[Fodder#4]

Wow Kakuzu fanboys are really mad as I can see, it's just too funny

The only one who could be called a fanboy is proof; the rest of us just. . Realize that you're making this far too easy for Sasuke. Even Prince Charlie, who agreed with Sasuke winning, said it'd be a high diff. You outright make Sasuke take this like a walk in the park.

 

[DrProof]

The only one who could be called a fanboy is proof; the rest of us just. . Realize that you're making this far too easy for Sasuke. Even Prince Charlie, who agreed with Sasuke winning, said it'd be a high diff. You outright make Sasuke take this like a walk in the park.

Me a fanboy to Kakuzu? Never..

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[Community46]

The only one who could be called a fanboy is proof; the rest of us just. . Realize that you're making this far too easy for Sasuke. Even Prince Charlie, who agreed with Sasuke winning, said it'd be a high diff. You outright make Sasuke take this like a walk in the park.

Well reread the thread I'm not the only one thinking Sasuke would win, beside I have already said he would take this mid diff

 

[AGoodBoy]

I already countered that, why copy paste it?

still waiting for you to counter me.

My god i'm just whipping you tonight. Are you sweating IRL? Come on bro. Counter my claim. I'm clearly the victor here

 

[Fodder#4]

Well reread the thread I'm not the only one thinking Sasuke would win, beside I have already said he would take this mid diff

While I tend to think any character has a chance against anyone. I can only see Sasuke taking this at an extreme high diff. Very few times. MS Sasuke would be a different story.

Me a fanboy to Kakuzu? Never..

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Oh, my bad! >.>. And Bogard hates Minato...

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

Manda tanking C0 is the because lie perpetuated on this site. Manda only got partially hit with the attack. If anything, manda was killed with the initial tip of the attack before it fully formed over 10km, before sasuke immediately unsummoned. Manda didn't tank C0 and still couldn't survive.

Answer these questions... If manda really did tank C0; What was the point of unsummoning him? what was the point of it shedding skin and burrowing during jiraiya's massive katon?

Infact, you could even make another claim that manda was automatically unsummoned by tanking fatal damage like what happens with summons usually. But, the problem with that is that we've seen plenty summonings take heavy damage and survive, whereas manda straight up got killed. Manda can't just go tanking anything, he'd eventually die.

And all that is without considering the fact that manda is exclusive CQC and any flying mask is completely out of it's reach to blast away without any hindrance. Manda and Manda 2 have never shown any mid/long ranged attacks (as best as i can recall)

I admit I was wrong but Katon: Zukkoku isn't as strong as C0, and lets say Manda dies, it would protect Sasuke and give him an opportunity for a speed blitz or if the mask is flying then a surprise Chidori Eisō. I honestly don't see it even hitting someone as fast as Sasuke.

Manda is pretty long but that wasn't my point, I am aware Manda won't be able to kill a mask alone, I am just saying it would protect Sasuke if needed.