Hebi Sasuke Vs Kakuzu

[Nous]

Kakuzu would crush Sasuke.. Make it more fair - MS/EMS Sasuke vs Kakuzu

 

[DrProof]

Wrong, the 2nd databook stats are for part 1 Naruto, so Sasuke has 4.5 in speed, the databook stats don't even get that far in the story.

Yeah and he's better at taijutsu than Lee as well I presume? See, this is why you are wrong. And any hype coming from Naruto should never be taken seriously.
Also the reason Kakashi got speed blitzed was because he thought that Kakuzu was dead so he dropped his guard. Furthermore Sasuke has two sharingan instead of one so it will naturally be better than Kakashi's.

Yeah then he got up and fought like he never got sent flying by a kick, it was rather weak actually.

Sasuke is still canonically much faster than Kakuzu, his feat and databook stats say so.

You still have proven nothing on Sasuke's part. He is speed blitzed by Kakuzu, as he did against Kakashi. Oh, and if any Genjutsu > Kakuzu comments arise here's this:

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Kakuzu has an interesting body structure as many of you have already noticed, Kakuzu is able to deploy hearts using his tendrils (he's a rag doll after all) which are known as "ghosts" or masks. Now his body structure is the key to countering ANY, and ALL Genjutsu-based approaches, and here is why.

Take a look at this quote:

The human being requires a brain in order for all of our basic bodily functions to perform. Our hearts, our breathing, our kidneys, livers, digestion, evacuation, all of our bodily systems are operated by our brain. Without a brain to perform these basic functions, we die.

The only known organ within Kakuzu's body are hearts (need to use various elemental nature affinities) however, some may argue that it is irregular that he doesn't possess a brain, and that he more than likely possesses one. I say this is false due to that fact that we've seen another Akatsuki member with a "5" in intelligence, along with no bodily functions limited; that shinobi would be Sasori.

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The only living things on Sasori is his core, and what exactly did his core contain? Well it's rather interesting:

The left part of Sasori's chest held the lone human part of him and thus, the only necessary part of his body capable of controlling chakra: a cylinder-shaped device containing his 'core' (核, kaku).

So due to the quote above, all that is needed to operate the shinobi body is a chakra storage in which is capable of executing chakra through out their bodies to perform techniques, and bodily movements; basically chakra controls everything. Kakuzu has a similar structure to Sasori, Kakuzu is a rag doll, while Sasori is a puppet they're both entities that we don't believe to have brains correct? (a puppet, or a doll having a brain would be quite absurd).

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His hearts channel chakra throughout his whole body enabling him to control his tendrils (which take chakra to use as well; Jiongu), along with his elemental ninjutsu-based assaults/defenses. This is how his masks were able to fight independently even when he died multiple times, it's due to the fact that "the heart serves as a chakra executor" (all the body needs to function in the NarutoVerse is a chakra storage in which transfers chakra through the body). Here you can see a dead Kakuzu, and his mask (containing each a single heart) acting dependent sort of like a symbiotic attachment like Kisame, and Samehada's relationship:

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To furthermore prove that Kakuzu is truly immune to Genjutsu, take a look at this quote about Kinjutsu (Jiongu is a Kinjutsu after all):

Kinjutsu (禁術; Literally meaning "Forbidden Techniques") are techniques that have been banned from being taught or used.
This ban could have been put in place for any number of reasons, but kinjutsu can generally be put in either of three categories:

1) Techniques that cause harm to the user themselves, such as opening the Eight Gates, which the mere use of is both highly useful as well as detrimental to the user.
2) Techniques that violate the laws of nature (e.g. the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation, which reincarnates the dead with a human sacrifice).
3) Certain techniques that are known to cause massive collateral damage, such as the total destruction of a village and end with the death of everyone in it, thus the great moral ramifications of its potential lead many to labeling it as a forbidden technique.

Pay attention heavily to the second category, "violates the laws of nature". Well isn't that exactly what Jiongu does? It allows the user a state of immortality, by the integration of a maximum of 5 hearts, while also allowing the user to take on a rag doll like body structure completely being made up of threads/tendrils. Thus I can conclude that Kakuzu does not have a brain, uses his heart as a chakra executor to transfer chakra into his tendrils to perform bodily movements along with the ability to perform elemental attacks, and grants him immunity to Genjutsu.

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To strengthen my point, when Orochimaru absorbed his Chakra from Kabuto, he obtained memories and information from him.

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When Itachi prodded Sasuke he forced information - Amaterasu - into Sasuke, the fact he had Itachi's MS style shows his influence.

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Just confirms that in the NV that Chakra can contain information, that a heart as the source of Chakra can be seen as Kakuzu's 'brain'. There's also the fact that if he's connected to any of his hearts and is subjected to Genjutsu that the mask's different Chakra signature would cancel it out - an outside force.

 

[Community46]

Kakuzu would crush Sasuke.. Make it more fair - MS/EMS Sasuke vs Kakuzu

How is MS/EMS Sasuke vs Kakuzu even a fair match-up? Kakuzu would get destroyed.

 

[Fodder#4]

I see you have finally submitted and realised your efforts are futile before me. Your debating skills hold no power against me.
Kirin can't one shot 5 sentient beings that can be in 1 of 5 randomly selected locations

@Prince charles Are you going to make an arguement or not? There's no argument for sasuke what so ever. Implying sasuke can't get speedblitzed is even foolish considering even kakashi was speed blitzed. During a diversionary blast, speedblitsing sasuke is even more possible. but, hey, who am i to say that kakashi is slower than sasuke. I'm just here debating with my man community46



One word: rooting

i can get all that silly shit and more.
Having a phone that looks and acts like an Iphone is no problem.

Oh, I am sorry! I can't here you over Seri's voice!

 

[DrProof]

How is MS/EMS Sasuke vs Kakuzu even a fair match-up? Kakuzu would get destroyed.

Incorrect. MS/EMS Sasuke vs Kakuzu is an equal match-up in the least. Anyways, go, go, counter my argument above.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Lol not really but you can think so if that helps you sleep at night

it was made apart by the mere fact that you fled from my might. Your lackluster kirin has yet to put down kakuzu.

Is sasuke a magician? Will he curve the heart to 1 shot 5 beings in 5 different location? Will sasuke use a lightning bolt big enough to destroy the entire area including himself? Can sasuke even use Kirin like community46 claims?!
Tune in next time for the shocking finale!

Oh, I am sorry! I can't here you over Seri's voice!

Siri you say? Sorry, let me change to that voice quickly. All these damn voices, can't find it with so many options.

 

[Fodder#4]

it was made apart by the mere fact that you fled from my might. Your lackluster kirin has yet to put down kakuzu.

Is sasuke a magician? Will he curve the heart to 1 shot 5 beings in 5 different location? Will sasuke use a lightning bolt big enough to destroy the entire area including himself? Can sasuke even use Kirin like community46 claims?!
Tune in next time for the shocking finale!


Siri you say? Sorry, let me change to that voice quickly. All these damn voices, can't find it with so many options.

Well. . . Gotta be honest, I have NO CLUE or anything when it comes to Cell Phones... -.-

You win this time..

 

[AGoodBoy]

Well. . . Gotta be honest, I have NO CLUE or anything when it comes to Cell Phones... -.-

You win this time..

Lmao XD


OT: I'm interested in seeing princce charles respond to dr proof. He's the only legit person in here who claims sasuke has a shot. I'd like to see this shot for myself.

 

[Community46]

You still have proven nothing on Sasuke's part. He is speed blitzed by Kakuzu, as he did against Kakashi. Oh, and if any Genjutsu > Kakuzu comments arise here's this:

---

Kakuzu has an interesting body structure as many of you have already noticed, Kakuzu is able to deploy hearts using his tendrils (he's a rag doll after all) which are known as "ghosts" or masks. Now his body structure is the key to countering ANY, and ALL Genjutsu-based approaches, and here is why.

Take a look at this quote:



The only known organ within Kakuzu's body are hearts (need to use various elemental nature affinities) however, some may argue that it is irregular that he doesn't possess a brain, and that he more than likely possesses one. I say this is false due to that fact that we've seen another Akatsuki member with a "5" in intelligence, along with no bodily functions limited; that shinobi would be Sasori.

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The only living things on Sasori is his core, and what exactly did his core contain? Well it's rather interesting:



So due to the quote above, all that is needed to operate the shinobi body is a chakra storage in which is capable of executing chakra through out their bodies to perform techniques, and bodily movements; basically chakra controls everything. Kakuzu has a similar structure to Sasori, Kakuzu is a rag doll, while Sasori is a puppet they're both entities that we don't believe to have brains correct? (a puppet, or a doll having a brain would be quite absurd).

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His hearts channel chakra throughout his whole body enabling him to control his tendrils (which take chakra to use as well; Jiongu), along with his elemental ninjutsu-based assaults/defenses. This is how his masks were able to fight independently even when he died multiple times, it's due to the fact that "the heart serves as a chakra executor" (all the body needs to function in the NarutoVerse is a chakra storage in which transfers chakra through the body). Here you can see a dead Kakuzu, and his mask (containing each a single heart) acting dependent sort of like a symbiotic attachment like Kisame, and Samehada's relationship:

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To furthermore prove that Kakuzu is truly immune to Genjutsu, take a look at this quote about Kinjutsu (Jiongu is a Kinjutsu after all):



Pay attention heavily to the second category, "violates the laws of nature". Well isn't that exactly what Jiongu does? It allows the user a state of immortality, by the integration of a maximum of 5 hearts, while also allowing the user to take on a rag doll like body structure completely being made up of threads/tendrils. Thus I can conclude that Kakuzu does not have a brain, uses his heart as a chakra executor to transfer chakra into his tendrils to perform bodily movements along with the ability to perform elemental attacks, and grants him immunity to Genjutsu.

Edit:

To strengthen my point, when Orochimaru absorbed his Chakra from Kabuto, he obtained memories and information from him.

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When Itachi prodded Sasuke he forced information - Amaterasu - into Sasuke, the fact he had Itachi's MS style shows his influence.

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Just confirms that in the NV that Chakra can contain information, that a heart as the source of Chakra can be seen as Kakuzu's 'brain'. There's also the fact that if he's connected to any of his hearts and is subjected to Genjutsu that the mask's different Chakra signature would cancel it out - an outside force.

I have already proved how Kirin will obliterate Kakuzu, I don't think I need to prove anything else.
Furthermore your arguments about Kakuzu speed blitzing Sasuke are fallacious for the most part and since Sasuke is faster than kakuzu he will be the one to get speed blitzed by Sasuke.

There is nothing that suggest he doesn't have any organs, it was made clear that Sasori doesn't have any organs and he is made of wood, Orochimaru can adopt a snake-like apperance yet it doesn't mean he doesn't have bones at all. It is merely a speculation to say Kakuzu doesn't have a brain therefore your entire argument is fallacious

 

[Professor Finesser]

Kirin GG all I have to say

 

[Community46]

it was made apart by the mere fact that you fled from my might. Your lackluster kirin has yet to put down kakuzu.

Is sasuke a magician? Will he curve the heart to 1 shot 5 beings in 5 different location? Will sasuke use a lightning bolt big enough to destroy the entire area including himself? Can sasuke even use Kirin like community46 claims?!
Tune in next time for the shocking finale!


Siri you say? Sorry, let me change to that voice quickly. All these damn voices, can't find it with so many options.

lol I just decided to not waste my time arguing with you. My kirin argument has yet to be refuted

 

[ToshiZO]

Well. . . Gotta be honest, I have NO CLUE or anything when it comes to Cell Phones... -.-

You win this time..

figures....was wondering why you were saying Iphone > Android

 

[Community46]

Incorrect. MS/EMS Sasuke vs Kakuzu is an equal match-up in the least. Anyways, go, go, counter my argument above.

He has no counter for Amaterasu, susanoo, tsukuyomi etc.. None of his attacks will get past Susanoo actually.

 

[Fodder#4]

lol I just decided to not waste my time arguing with you. My kirin argument has yet to be refuted

It's like me saying Kisame solos Current Naruto because of the Water Dome/Kisamehada. It won't happen off the bat; Kisame could and most likely would lose before that.

It's not counter worthy.

figures....was wondering why you were saying Iphone > Android

Is. . The Droid THAT good?!

 

[Community46]

It's like me saying Kisame solos Current Naruto because of the Water Dome/Kisamehada. It won't happen off the bat; Kisame could and most likely would lose before that.

It's not counter worthy.

Naruto would speed blitz Kisame in a mere second he wouldn't even have time to do anything so the comparison is null and void.
Kakuzu has no counter for Kirin so that's that.

 

[AGoodBoy]

lol I just decided to not waste my time arguing with you. My kirin argument has yet to be refuted

So me saying kakuzu has 5 hearts in 5 different places doesn't refute the entire claim? Clearly you were defeated by such a simple response and have no counter. How is 1 lightning bolt killing 5 different things? It couldn't kill sasuke and sasuke was meters from itachi

Is. . The Droid THAT good?!

Keep the Iphone if you're not into tech. It's very good(one of the best phones spec wise) and very simple. There's not much use you'd get from an android if all you want is make calls, play games and simple interface. Iphone is just not for me, it's too restrictive lol. Even when jailbroken there's not much you can do :/

 

[DrProof]

I have already proved how Kirin will obliterate Kakuzu, I don't think I need to prove anything else.
Furthermore your arguments about Kakuzu speed blitzing Sasuke are fallacious for the most part and since Sasuke is faster than kakuzu he will be the one to get speed blitzed by Sasuke.

There is nothing that suggest he doesn't have any organs, it was made clear that Sasori doesn't have any organs and he is made of wood, Orochimaru can adopt a snake-like apperance yet it doesn't mean he doesn't have bones at all. It is merely a speculation to say Kakuzu doesn't have a brain therefore your entire argument is fallacious

I have proved.. That Kakuzu > Kirin in two ways, in which Sasuke wouldn't even get the chance to use Kirin in the first place.. As well I've proved Kakuzu speed blitz Sasuke who is the same speed as Kakashi.. Also, I never stated Kakuzu didn't have any organs a heart is an organ if you're knowledgeable you'd know this.. I'm going to need you to take a look at these again:

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Kakuzu's Counter to Kirin:

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Show me a scan of Kirin being activated without prep time against Team 7. Exactly you can't because all Sasuke did was raise his hand within the air, we have seen nothing to think otherwise. But wait, I'll entertain that "what if":

Okay, Sasuke is in the act of using Kirin, Kakuzu has deployed his hearts to go aerial:

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Kirin is then guided, and aimed at Kakuzu killing him, and the heart in which is/was present inside of him. Now this is what happens:

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The masks act on their own free will similar to that of Kisame's symbiotic partner Samehada. Once Kakuzu is down, the mask(s) would rush to his aid hastily (yes they are indeed quick):

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As you can see they've just emerged from the smoke in which Choji caused via expansion jutsu + slamming his hands downward on the mask(s). Thus, rushing to Kakuzu's aid isn't a problem. So what's your next argument?

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I love how you're relying so much on Kirin, when in reality Sasuke wouldn't get the chance to use it. Any other points I need to refute other than: "Kirin > Kakuzu" which is pure blasphemy.

Show me a scan of Kirin obliterating anyone, oh right, you can't. Hey though, let me also entertain that "Kakuzu's body gets obliterated":

Kakuzu's body is that of a Ragdoll's meaning he is made 100% out of tendrils:

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Your only argument is that Kirin obliterates Kakuzu's body, well as it's been shown many times kakuzu's body is strictly tendrils, with hearts implemented, what proof do you have to say that Kakuzu can't reattach himself tendril by tendril similar to how he reattached Hidan's head, or Deidara's arm forming himself once again? After all he is just a threaded ragdoll as I previously stated. It's not just that, an interesting point as well would be this:

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Kakuzu's arm is made strictly of tendrils/threads in which they move on their own, they think on their own, but they don't act on their on. This pieces itself together rather nicely you see because even while Kakuzu is DEAD the tendrils/threads/masks still aid their master:

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Kakuzu would be reconstructed via his tendrils.

Kakuzu Speed Blitz Sasuke:

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Attitude is not shown over the internet so comments such as these: "Getting mad because you've been proven wrong I see" are rather rhetorical.

Also I'm pretty sure Databook 2 Stats are for Hebi Sasuke; while Databook 3 stats are for MS/EMS Sasuke.. Hebi Sasuke possesses a 3.5 in speed, while Kakuzu possesses a 4 in speed. However, to prove that Kakuzu is able to speed blitz Sasuke in either DB entry here is this:

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A very significant feat that no one seems to highlight is this very simple scan here:

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My friends, look at Kakuzu's positioning. He's clinically dead, not to mention prone and several feet behind Kakashi; the fact he was able to switch out his heart for one that was not destroyed, get up, and catch up with someone like Kakashi - Who is 0.5 (4.5 in the Databooklet.) units faster than Kakuzu (I take it with a pinch of salt as the Databooklet can often be contradictory or invalid.) is a grand exemplification of Kakuzu's speed in quick bursts. If he really wanted he could have used something more lethal than a glancing blow.

The other major thing is the very nature of the man who'm Kakuzu outmatched: Kakashi - Who has a Sharingan. This isn't just any Sharingan, Obito Uchiha's Sharingan; which was stated to be superior to part one Sasuke's Sharingan at the very least.

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Now, arguments can be made that Sasuke's Sharingan has surpasse Kakashi's he currently is, but the simple fact that Kakuzu left a three Tomoe/MS user dazed and confused is very significant.

Just look at his reaction:

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It wasn't like Kakashi's Sharingan was in a state of not being used, prior to their engagement Kakashi had been reliant on the Sharingan to observe Kakuzu's every move.

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Thoughts?



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I forgot to add this.

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The fact that he had completely disappeared from sight, to then appear right behind Shikamaru; to then throw a devastating attack at Shikamaru - Of which he never used Doton Domu for (Strength feat?), to then instantly recover (Look at last slide.) and give chase demands attention.

Kakuzu's Immunity to Genjutsu:

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You still have proven nothing on Sasuke's part. He is speed blitzed by Kakuzu, as he did against Kakashi. Oh, and if any Genjutsu > Kakuzu comments arise here's this:

---

Kakuzu has an interesting body structure as many of you have already noticed, Kakuzu is able to deploy hearts using his tendrils (he's a rag doll after all) which are known as "ghosts" or masks. Now his body structure is the key to countering ANY, and ALL Genjutsu-based approaches, and here is why.

Take a look at this quote:



The only known organ within Kakuzu's body are hearts (need to use various elemental nature affinities) however, some may argue that it is irregular that he doesn't possess a brain, and that he more than likely possesses one. I say this is false due to that fact that we've seen another Akatsuki member with a "5" in intelligence, along with no bodily functions limited; that shinobi would be Sasori.

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The only living things on Sasori is his core, and what exactly did his core contain? Well it's rather interesting:



So due to the quote above, all that is needed to operate the shinobi body is a chakra storage in which is capable of executing chakra through out their bodies to perform techniques, and bodily movements; basically chakra controls everything. Kakuzu has a similar structure to Sasori, Kakuzu is a rag doll, while Sasori is a puppet they're both entities that we don't believe to have brains correct? (a puppet, or a doll having a brain would be quite absurd).

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His hearts channel chakra throughout his whole body enabling him to control his tendrils (which take chakra to use as well; Jiongu), along with his elemental ninjutsu-based assaults/defenses. This is how his masks were able to fight independently even when he died multiple times, it's due to the fact that "the heart serves as a chakra executor" (all the body needs to function in the NarutoVerse is a chakra storage in which transfers chakra through the body). Here you can see a dead Kakuzu, and his mask (containing each a single heart) acting dependent sort of like a symbiotic attachment like Kisame, and Samehada's relationship:

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To furthermore prove that Kakuzu is truly immune to Genjutsu, take a look at this quote about Kinjutsu (Jiongu is a Kinjutsu after all):



Pay attention heavily to the second category, "violates the laws of nature". Well isn't that exactly what Jiongu does? It allows the user a state of immortality, by the integration of a maximum of 5 hearts, while also allowing the user to take on a rag doll like body structure completely being made up of threads/tendrils. Thus I can conclude that Kakuzu does not have a brain, uses his heart as a chakra executor to transfer chakra into his tendrils to perform bodily movements along with the ability to perform elemental attacks, and grants him immunity to Genjutsu.

Edit:

To strengthen my point, when Orochimaru absorbed his Chakra from Kabuto, he obtained memories and information from him.

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When Itachi prodded Sasuke he forced information - Amaterasu - into Sasuke, the fact he had Itachi's MS style shows his influence.

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Just confirms that in the NV that Chakra can contain information, that a heart as the source of Chakra can be seen as Kakuzu's 'brain'. There's also the fact that if he's connected to any of his hearts and is subjected to Genjutsu that the mask's different Chakra signature would cancel it out - an outside force.

 

[Fodder#4]

Naruto would speed blitz Kisame in a mere second he wouldn't even have time to do anything so the comparison is null and void.
Kakuzu has no counter for Kirin so that's that.

Other then the large prep time, the fact that if Sasuke weren't on a heightened perch he could be hit with it too, Kakuzu could blast him with the long-ranged version of his. . Earth Grudge was it?

And, who says that? He spawns water, GG. That's your logic right there. Sasuke also poured ALL of his chakra out, and had Itachi's Amaterasu to help fuel that Kirin. The chances of it being as devastating are slim.

 

[Community46]

So me saying kakuzu has 5 hearts in 5 different places doesn't refute the entire claim? Clearly you were defeated by such a simple response and have no counter. How is 1 lightning bolt killing 5 different things? It couldn't kill sasuke and sasuke was meters from itachi

Kirin will obliterate Kakuzu's main body, it's irrelevant if the hearts survive since Kakuzu will be defeated, was that your whole argument? Pretty weak

 

[Penguin]

I thought it was pretty clear that Tobirama >>> Kakazu > Hebi Sasuke.