The Complete Dojutsu Ancestry

[UchihaElder]

Rinnegan

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The Greatest of the Three and one of the oldest and rarest dojustus.

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Here you see kakashi stating how the Sharingan is believed to have mutated from the Byakugan.
How does something that looks like this

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get to this

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Well lets use what we know of course. We know that its not just anger or hatred its deep emotions that activate the sharingan. We also know that the Ten tails is basically all impulse, basically
a mass of sentient natural energy. (Personal note: I believe the sharingan is a small fraction of the Juubis will embedded in the Uchihas, Elder son and So6p[He said he failed in guiding them, it could also mean
failed in providing them the
the correct forms, with such unprecedented achievements such a feat would seem miniscule to him but yet he fails, why?]

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Dojustu Genealogy

First, we know that the Byakugan is first, but how would it change to the rinnegan, as we already know the Sharingan appeared after the Sage passed his eyes down to his eldest son who goes on to become the
ancestry to the Uchihas while his younger goes on to be that of the Senju.

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By this Image we know that the sharingan didn't appear at birth, we won't conclude anything on the elder's eyes or any transformations they might of gone through because there is not evidence to back it up, but
we do know that the combination of a sharingan and senju dna merits a rinnegan if the person has both stated by Madara.

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We also know that it takes high chakra reserves to use and equip a rinnegan, I'm not going to post a pic for this one but nagato is my example. So we know that a Uzumaki can carry a Rinnegan. Now with the information
of Byakugan being the origin of Sharingan, Rinnegan being the final evolution of a Sharingan under the influence of Senju, or Younger Son DNA even among the senju only highly endowed individuals could cause this effect.
(Suggesting that the sage was not just born with the blood of both he was blessed with the gifts of both clans, being born with an extensive chakra reservoir allowing the influence to push his ocular gift to a new unseen
height, the Rinnegan.) Passing only 1 out 2 children eye's suggests he does not come from two parents with dojutsu. Passing only 1 out 2 powerful life force and physical energy suggests he came from just one parent with
powerful life force and physical energy. He also passed down the will of survival of the Juubi. Juubi is not evil, so to say it passed down hatred is inaccurate. That hint of survival surfaces in those that descended from the elder.
Reflecting the eye of the beast itself.

So simply put Byakugan + Uzumaki(Elite) = Rinnegan Rinnegan - Life Force + Juubi(Will) = Sharingan Sharingan + Strong Life Force = Rinnegan(I believe it purifies the empowered sharingan allowing it to reach its intended form: The Rinnegan)​

 

[Moss]

I'm pretty sure that we know all this already.

 

[UchihaElder]

I'm pretty sure that we know all this already.

We don't, but I'm glad you do. Thanks for checking it out. I'm almost certain that everyone thinks the Juubi is how the sage got the rinnegan but that's not reasonable.

 

[vasu 32]

For me,acc. to manga what i have devised or understood this is the cycle which goes on.

Rinnegan>Sharingan>Byakugan<Sharingan<Rinnegan.

 

[Bronze]

i disagree. here 2 reasons:

1-kakashi's statement was proven to be wrong. kakashi also it was only a rumor.

2-you haven't really given enough proofs really.

byakugan is the weakest dojutsu of the 3, so how could it possibly give birth to the other 2 when its weaker, actually it should be stronger since it gave birth to them.

 

[Gerkak]

Byakugan has nothing to do with the sage. It's a bloodline of the hyuga just as haku has ice. saying byakugan came from the sage is like saying all KKG came from the sage. Just because naruto and sasuke have connections to the sage dosen't mean hinata has to. we might as well add sakura too.

 

[UchihaElder]

i disagree. here 2 reasons:

1-kakashi's statement was proven to be wrong. kakashi also it was only a rumor.

2-you haven't really given enough proofs really.

byakugan is the weakest dojutsu of the 3, so how could it possibly give birth to the other 2 when its weaker, actually it should be stronger since it gave birth to them.

Proof is all there if you willing to accept it. I mean we know the sharingan didn't appear until after the Juubi was defeated. Another thing is its a false assumption to say something powers down after time. In actuality its more realistic to believe that it evolved from a dojutsu then diluted and corrupted down to the sharingan. The Hyuga clan inability to deactivate the characteristics of their dojutsu should tell you. The fact that before the sage ninjutsu didn't exist. The byakugan is a dojutsu that doesn't fit the time of ninjutsu, it fits a time of taijutsu and chakra form manipulation, what eye would be perfect for a time period like this the Byakugan.

 

[GOD2U]

Considering I made a thread very similar to this I definitely agree

 

[UchihaElder]

Considering I made a thread very similar to this I definitely agree

Thank you, seen a lot fodders missing details thought we needed another recap. lol

 

[UchihaElder]

Byakugan has nothing to do with the sage. It's a bloodline of the hyuga just as haku has ice. saying byakugan came from the sage is like saying all KKG came from the sage. Just because naruto and sasuke have connections to the sage dosen't mean hinata has to. we might as well add sakura too.

KKG associated with the sage, Sharingan was born from his first child, and the Byakugan has everything to do with the sage. We all know what happens to ones dojutsu when empowered by certain individual's chakra and life force, if the byakugan was given the same chakra and life force would it not improve or evolve, whether it derived from the Sharingan or Rinnegan or something else altogether wouldn't it still have some reaction and what would that reaction be. I'm saying with Kakashi statement considered as rumor or fact, those 2 option only exist because he did say it in the manga, you have to use it in the determination of origin. The byakugan gave birth to the Rinnegan with Uzumaki influence. Rinnegan gave birth to Tainted Spiral Rinnegan and that gave birth to the Sharingan.

 

[Gerkak]

KKG associated with the sage, Sharingan was born from his first child, and the Byakugan has everything to do with the sage. We all know what happens to ones dojutsu when empowered by certain individual's chakra and life force, if the byakugan was given the same chakra and life force would it not improve or evolve, whether it derived from the Sharingan or Rinnegan or something else altogether wouldn't it still have some reaction and what would that reaction be. I'm saying with Kakashi statement considered as rumor or fact, those 2 option only exist because he did say it in the manga, you have to use it in the determination of origin. The byakugan gave birth to the Rinnegan with Uzumaki influence. Rinnegan gave birth to Tainted Spiral Rinnegan and that gave birth to the Sharingan.

If that's the case anyone with extra life force gets a boost. For example if oonoki had senju/uzumaki DNA his jinton would crush even perfect susanoo. But what I am trying to say is that kakashi has been wrong before like with the rinnegan. So apart from kakashi who has already been wrong twice. There is no manga evidence that makes any connection between the sage and hyuuga.

 

[UchihaElder]

If that's the case anyone with extra life force gets a boost. For example if oonoki had senju/uzumaki DNA his jinton would crush even perfect susanoo. But what I am trying to say is that kakashi has been wrong before like with the rinnegan. So apart from kakashi who has already been wrong twice. There is no manga evidence that makes any connection between the sage and hyuuga.

Did you realize what you said... It would make oonoki's jinton super powerful, and Kakashi wasn't wrong he just didn't have all the information. If what he said is what someone else told him then how is he wrong, meaning he heard sharingan derived from byakugan. Unlike the mutation where he states "HE" thought it was a mutation, meaning that was his personal opinion on what he knew about it. No one knew it came from the Sharingan and its stated that the sharingan derived from the rinnegan. Yet again you should be able to see plainly that the missing link is byakugan. In fact just look at the two eyes, I'd wager with no knowledge most ppl would pick the Byakugan as the level before rinnegan and the Sharingan wouldn't even be considered. Kakashi's opinion was wrong doesn't mean the rumor he heard from other sources is.. so please understand the difference between hearsay and opinion.

 

[Gerkak]

Did you realize what you said... It would make oonoki's jinton super powerful, and Kakashi wasn't wrong he just didn't have all the information. If what he said is what someone else told him then how is he wrong, meaning he heard sharingan derived from byakugan. Unlike the mutation where he states "HE" thought it was a mutation, meaning that was his personal opinion on what he knew about it. No one knew it came from the Sharingan and its stated that the sharingan derived from the rinnegan. Yet again you should be able to see plainly that the missing link is byakugan. In fact just look at the two eyes, I'd wager with no knowledge most ppl would pick the Byakugan as the level before rinnegan and the Sharingan wouldn't even be considered. Kakashi's opinion was wrong doesn't mean the rumor he heard from other sources is.. so please understand the difference between hearsay and opinion.

maybe you're right but who knows.