I think this is the reason naruto can not combine SM and TBM.

[osba]

In this thread i am going to explain how i think sage chakra and kyuubi chakra could work together, but why it right now would not make naruto stronger.

lets assume these are the chakra levels:
Kyuubi=100

Naruto=6

Controlled Kyuubi mode benefit at the time he met pain = +6

Sage mode would make you 2x as strong.

Okay, so my idea is that the SM+KM could only workout for so much is because he needed to form his own chakra into yin chakra to compensate for kurama's yin being missing.

It would work out as something like this:
6 controlled Kyuubi chakra + 6 Naruto Yin chakra = 12 chakra + 12 sage mode chakra = 24 chakra level.

Once naruto has the yin chakra of the kyuubi he could use it like this:
100 Kyuubi chakra level + 100 sage chakra level = 200 charka level.

So to conclude this theory: the reason naruto is not using kyuubi+sage mode atm is because it would require him to act as yin chakra (wich is obviously ALOT less than just using Kurama's yang).

Can't wait untill Minato hands Naruto the yin chakra..

Edit: made it into a simple math equation

 

[magus zeal]

what.......

 

[osba]

what.......

i'll make a graph if this really is too hard to understand for you guys...

 

[Punk Hazard]

You shoulda just used words instead of symbols, it's kinda hard to understand what you're trying to say.

 

[PYROVT]

dude u made my brain go into shut down mode , use better parameters and next time end up using petter hypothesis

coz i'm like _@: _@: _@: _@:

 

[osba]

You shoulda just used words instead of symbols, it's kinda hard to understand what you're trying to say.

i'll just make it into a simple math equation.

 

[Amazeballs]

Yes. Sage arts require balancing Mental (Yin), Physical (Yang), and Natural energies. Naruto's Kyuubi chakra is currently all Yang, which would throw off the balance and prevent him from creating Sage Chakra. Once Naruto obtains the missing Yin, he WILL have the ability to combine his Modes, because he will be able to absorb Kyuubi-levels of Natural Energy (the amount able to be absorbed/channeled is relative to one's own chakra levels). Also, since Naruto can fully convert Kyuubi chakra into "Naruto chakra", there is no chance of the Kyuubi needing to be a third party in the process (although I could see Kurama helping to gather Natural Energy to keep Naruto's Sage Mode active..

 

[osba]

Yes. Sage arts require balancing Mental (Yin), Physical (Yang), and Natural energies. Naruto's Kyuubi chakra is currently all Yang, which would throw off the balance and prevent him from creating Sage Chakra. Once Naruto obtains the missing Yin, he WILL have the ability to combine his Modes, because he will be able to absorb Kyuubi-levels of Natural Energy (the amount able to be absorbed/channeled is relative to one's own chakra levels). Also, since Naruto can fully convert Kyuubi chakra into "Naruto chakra", there is no chance of the Kyuubi needing to be a third party in the process (although I could see Kurama helping to gather Natural Energy to keep Naruto's Sage Mode active..

not only that but he could make kyuubi mode clones to gather nature chakra too ^_^

 

[AlphaScythian]

yeah makes some sense.

personally i think sm+kcm wont happen cuz sm is weaker and will water overall power down in exchange for more stamina thou.

 

[osba]

yeah makes some sense.

personally i think sm+kcm wont happen cuz sm is weaker and will water overall power down in exchange for more stamina thou.

nope it will add 100% chakra, it does not water down anything *_*

 

[dvmaz]

OT: I don't get it.

But I believe the reason has something to do with the balance required between Nature Energy and his own chakra.

In Base mode the time he needs to absorb Nature Energy in order to go into Sage Mode is small. (Lets assume 5 min)

In Bijuu Mode, he has a lot of Chakra and in order to balance that Chakra with Nature Energy he needs to absorb lots and lots of it. (Lets assume it takes 8-10 hrs) simply because he has way too much chakra to balance.

Simply put in Bijuu mode he has too much chakra in order to get into Sage mode in the middle of a fight. Unless he prepares before hand.

 

[osba]

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[AlphaScythian]

nope it will add 100% chakra, it does not water down anything *_*

I think it does, cuz kcm provides more physical enhancement then sm.

 

[osba]

I think it does, cuz kcm provides more physical enhancement then sm.

did you watch the pain fight? did you watch naruto stomp out those chakra rods from son goku?
it will make him capable of feeling chakra AND hatred, damn.. he will know what someone is going to use even before they do.. i can't wait... yin will only be a 25% increase.. the real increase will come from combining it with the sage mode! now thats the 100% power naruto will reach believe me!

 

[FearxDeath]

Its is sort of hard to understand but once you wrap your mind around it it actually makes ALOT of sense.

Basically what he is saying is that Kurama only has yang energy, yet Chakra is composed of Yin and Yang energies being mixed together. Therefore for Naruto to use Kurama's Chakra he must mix his Yin Energy with Kurama's Yang in order to form the chakra.

To do the math for him it would be, Naruto has 6 Chakra, which = Naruto having 6 Yin Energy and 6 Yang, for him to use Kurama's Chakra he must take 6 of hsi Yin and mix it with 6 of Kurama's Yang to form 6 of Kurama's Chakra. I think thats right but im not sure lol x__x.

Oh I actually made a theory about this a while back, feel free to check it out if you want. I basically say this, For Naruto to go into KCM he must mix his chakra with Kurama;s, for naruto to enter SM he must mixed Nature energy with his Yin and Yang energies to form Senjutsu, yet to form chakra one must mix Yin and Yang energies. And thus if he is in KCM he has already gone past the point of being able to create senjutsu. And if he is in SM he has already gone past the point of being able to mix his chakra with the kyubi, not to mention the risk if he tried, lets not forget how many people were turned into toad statues. [

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[osba]

Its is sort of hard to understand but once you wrap your mind around it it actually makes ALOT of sense.

Basically what he is saying is that Kurama only has yang energy, yet Chakra is composed of Yin and Yang energies being mixed together. Therefore for Naruto to use Kurama's Chakra he must mix his Yin Energy with Kurama's Yang in order to form the chakra.

To do the math for him it would be, Naruto has 6 Chakra, which = Naruto having 6 Yin Energy and 6 Yang, for him to use Kurama's Chakra he must take 6 of hsi Yin and mix it with 6 of Kurama's Yang to form 6 of Kurama's Chakra. I think thats right but im not sure lol x__x.

Oh I actually made a theory about this a while back, feel free to check it out if you want. I basically say this, For Naruto to go into KCM he must mix his chakra with Kurama;s, for naruto to enter SM he must mixed Nature energy with his Yin and Yang energies to form Senjutsu, yet to form chakra one must mix Yin and Yang energies. And thus if he is in KCM he has already gone past the point of being able to create senjutsu. And if he is in SM he has already gone past the point of being able to mix his chakra with the kyubi, not to mention the risk if he tried, lets not forget how many people were turned into toad statues. [

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<- he already did it once.. back then it was still viable..