What would you rank Zabuza?

What would you rank him?

  • Low Jounin

    Votes: 2 6.3%
  • Mid Jounin

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • High Jounin

    Votes: 12 37.5%
  • Low S-rank

    Votes: 14 43.8%

  • Total voters
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ShaneEyyy

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I would rank Zabuza as a very high Jounin, along with ninja like Kitsuchi and Darui.

I would rank him as that because MOST OF THE TIME you have to be an S-rank ninja to beat him. Allow me to explain:

According to the data books, his Speed (4/5), Strength (4/5), Stamina (4/5), and Hand seals (4/5), totaling 16, is the average of the Akatsuki. All Akatsuki members, excluding Kisame, have all those areas totaling 16. Nearly all of them don't have 5's in these areas so it's safe to say Zabuza is S-rank WITH these areas. I don't mean he's S-rank in general, his feats with these areas are S-rank, don't get confused. So you need to be an S-rank ninja to compete with him in these areas.


His Taijutsu (4.5) is tied with Hidan and Kisame as the highest score among the whole Akatsuki. So his Taijutsu is definitely S-rank, being a Legendary Swordsmen. The only ninjas I think that could out beat Zabuza in a straight up Taijutsu/Kenjutsu fight are Killer B, Guy, Kimimaru, and Mifune (S-rank ninja). Edit: Let me rephrase this, I'm excluding users with enhancements like Sharingan and Lightning Armor, etc. I'm basically just talking about skill in Taijutsu, no other factors that could help in CQC like strength and speed if you know what I mean.


If you look at this thread here, I have proved that Genjutsu is nearly never going to hit Zabuza. The only Genjutsu shown that could counter Hidden Mist Jutsu is Sound Genjutsu shown by Jiraiya and Tayuya. Only two ninja throughout the whole series so far is capable of this, and Shikamaru in Part 1 was even shown to break out of Tayuya's Genjutsu by breaking his finger. So Zabuza to break it could bite off his tongue if he wanted too haha. As I said in the thread, I can only see really fast users like Itachi landing a Genjutsu. The chances running into Genjutsu users like that though is close to 0. I even made a thread Zabuza vs Kurenai and majority of the people voted Zabuza and Kurenai has a 5/5 for Genjutsu according to the data book and she was known for them. This helps to further prove Zabuza's huge defense to Genjutsu.


Zabuza's Ninjutsu is also very strong, being 4.5/5 in the data book. His score tied for Kisame's who's in the Akatsuki which says something. Being able to counter his Mist, Water Clone feints, avoiding Water Prison Jutsu (which in a lot of cases could decide a battle as when Zabuza trapped Kakashi, Kakashi couldn't even escape and said the battle was over for him), and avoiding large scale Suitons, you have to be S-rank or at least a very high Jounin to match or out beat him in Ninjutsu.


His intelligence is also pretty good. He outsmarted Kakashi once, one of the smartest ninja in the series. With his mist, even one if not the smartest ninja Shikamaru can't beat Zabuza because his mist takes away Shikamaru's ability to analyze an opponent, at least to some extent.

He also has shown incredible stamina before his death scene. Being able to withstand a dozen swords impaled deeply into his body and still charge full force armless against hundreds of thugs, break through them, and decapitate Gato with just a kunai in his mouth.


His hype backs up his feats as well. Lets take a look here. He was a Legendary Seven Ninja Swordsmen of the Mist, noted to be in the best generation. He was a former Anbu member and the leader of the Hidden Mist's Assassination Unit. He as a mere child, not even in the academy, killed OVER 100 Genin by himself. He attempted to assassinate the Mizukage who was actually Obito and STILL survived. He was feared among the whole ninja world as "The Demon of the Hidden Mist" and was strong enough to be reanimated by Kabuto who sacrificed other Edo's to keep Zabuza from being sealed because his jutsu was so effective.

A man who chose to end his life and was happy in doing so because he realized all the things he has done was wrong, that's a true Shinobi.


The only reason why I say he isn't solid S-rank is because he doesn't have something that is OP like Kamui, Sharingan, 5 hearts, insane chakra reserves, etc. You get the point haha, which is why I put him as a very high A - low S rank Jounin.


Sorry for fanboying but I tried to back up everything I could to make up for that.

Thoughts?
 
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Considering he could take on the Mizukage, damn near killed Kakashi(could have won), is a part of the strongest generation of Seven Swordsmen of The Mist... I'd say he's high Jonin level like Kakashi... I'd rank him S-Rank actually screw High Jonin level
 

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EHigh Jounin I'd agree...maybe had he not died....low Kage with a time skip.



His Silent killing was flawless to anyone, but the creme of the crop.

Physically dominates with physical strength. Master of Kenjutsu. Had water dragon jutsu and the water vortex jutsu.

Could create multiple clones for enhanced silent killing.

And he had insane levels of pain tolerance and stamina with his death scene.

I mean he was a badass...he easily stacks in with the General's like Darui IMO...and considering he was enemy number one....who knows how much more he'd have had he been developed part II!.



Check this: while fighting in hidden list...intentionally show the Executioner blade break....this makes the enemy re-evaluate the blade's lethal distance as well as how close you need to be. With high pain tolerance...Zabuza repairs the blade with his own blood...then all the sudden a full blade is coming at an unprepared enemy.


But yeah...high Jounin I'd agree. An broken and thug Zabuza gave Kakashi trouble....and an emotionally driven Zabuza is a monster.

Edit: Could have sworn Zabuza was an S-Ranked criminal in the Bingo Book....so he'd be S-Rank if you say that's above High Jounin.


Like I said....S-Rank for his whole display.....maybe low Kage had he not died and developed throughout the time skip.
 
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Actually I couldn't think of anymore. Can you list a few? I probably agree with you I just can't think of anymore at the moment.
If we're talking about Kenjutsu users only then I think Sasuke and Kimimaro can beat him in CQC :erm:

In general, I don't really see him beating Sharingan users like Obito, Madara, Itachi, and speedsters like Raikage, 3rd Raikage, Minato, SM Naruto, SM Jiraiya and DSM Kabuto.

Hidan can maybe beat him.

Without ninjutsu bar the Lightning armor and Sage Mode, I believe Zabuza loses to the above in CQC.
 
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Considering he could take on the Mizukage, damn near killed Kakashi(could have won), is a part of the strongest generation of Seven Swordsmen of The Mist... I'd say he's high Jonin level like Kakashi... I'd rank him S-Rank actually screw High Jonin level
Thisszzz.

Kakshi was almost soled by zabuza but lost to plot

Wasn't obitio in control of the mizkage at the time?
 

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I like the thread its very detailed but i dont agree with some stuff you said

The only ninjas I think that could out beat Zabuza in CQC are Killer B, Guy, and Mifune (S-rank ninja).
If your referring to close combat, Your speaking bs xd but nice thread.
 
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high jounin people really do underrate him because part1<part2 omg. plus i think alot of it is people who only care about the most powerful characters like the jubito nuthuggers(not all are bad)
 

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If we're talking about Kenjutsu users only then I think Sasuke and Kimimaro can beat him in CQC :erm:

In general, I don't really see him beating Sharingan users like Obito, Madara, Itachi, and speedsters like Raikage, 3rd Raikage, Minato, SM Naruto, SM Jiraiya and DSM Kabuto.

Hidan can maybe beat him.

Without ninjutsu bar the Lightning armor and Sage Mode, I believe Zabuza loses to the above in CQC.
Kisame, Mangetsu (by hype), Kimimaro, Kakuzu (By Earth Style Domo), Orochimaru (probably due to kusunagi hype), Hiruzen (Enma adamantine staff), Trollkage (untouchable by physical attacks). I can't think of any at this time.
 

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EHigh Jounin I'd agree...maybe had he not died....low Kage with a time skip.



His Silent killing was flawless to anyone, but the creme of the crop.

Physically dominates with physical strength. Master of Kenjutsu. Had water dragon jutsu and the water vortex jutsu.

Could create multiple clones for enhanced silent killing.

And he had insane levels of pain tolerance and stamina with his death scene.

I mean he was a badass...he easily stacks in with the General's like Darui IMO...and considering he was enemy number one....who knows how much more he'd have had he been developed part II!.



Check this: while fighting in hidden list...intentionally show the Executioner blade break....this makes the enemy re-evaluate the blade's lethal distance as well as how close you need to be. With high pain tolerance...Zabuza repairs the blade with his own blood...then all the sudden a full blade is coming at an unprepared enemy.


But yeah...high Jounin I'd agree. An broken and thug Zabuza gave Kakashi trouble....and an emotionally driven Zabuza is a monster.

Edit: Could have sworn Zabuza was an S-Ranked criminal in the Bingo Book....so he'd be S-Rank if you say that's above High Jounin.


Like I said....S-Rank for his whole display.....maybe low Kage had he not died and developed throughout the time skip.
Agreed. I actually thought of that scenario of Zabuza's sword rebuilding when I thought of him up against Mifune, which I will make a thread on soon.

Again, you're a great guy

He's High Jonin. But seeing as how the goddam Anbu Black ops specialists can be killed by kunai, ranks lower than Sannin level hardly matter.
They still matter imo

If we're talking about Kenjutsu users only then I think Sasuke and Kimimaro can beat him in CQC :erm:

In general, I don't really see him beating Sharingan users like Obito, Madara, Itachi, and speedsters like Raikage, 3rd Raikage, Minato, SM Naruto, SM Jiraiya and DSM Kabuto.

Hidan can maybe beat him.

Without ninjutsu bar the Lightning armor and Sage Mode, I believe Zabuza loses to the above in CQC.
Dude I completely agree with you on this. I didn't phrase what I said right, I edited my description and tried to make it more clear.

BTW all the ninja you just listed are S-rank, which further proves my point

Thisszzz.

Kakshi was almost soled by zabuza but lost to plot

Wasn't obitio in control of the mizkage at the time?
Yeah Obito was in control of the Mizukage

I like the thread its very detailed but i dont agree with some stuff you said



If your referring to close combat, Your speaking bs xd but nice thread.
Agreed, I tried to make out what I was saying more clear
 

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Kisame, Mangetsu (by hype), Kimimaro, Kakuzu (By Earth Style Domo), Orochimaru (probably due to kusunagi hype), Hiruzen (Enma adamantine staff), Trollkage (untouchable by physical attacks). I can't think of any at this time.
I agree, I rephrased what I was trying to say.

And hey thanks buddy, you just listed all S-rank ninja which further proves my point.

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