Gaara(Genii96) vs kakuzu(Zexion)

[genii96]

Okay,this will be a debate between Zexion and I. It will be a gaara vs kakuzu debate.

The rules are
- each debater will make a post at one time only,he will wait for the other to rebute

-non contestants cant debate,but can say who they think wins

- i will begin

the judges are;
-iNotorious
-Sacrosanct
-The Evil one

the match will last 3 days and end after that or when one debater quits.

This is the stipulation;
Gaara vs Kakuzu
location: Open grassland
distance: 75m
intel: manga
restrictions: none

 

[TheEvilOne]

Good luck guys-

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Gaara should win this mid diff.

 

[genii96]

okay.
first of, Gaara has shown the ability to freely make sand in any location that has earth or rock at an alarmingly fast rate. even as a child he turned a forest into a sand box under a minute

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Here he is much older and stronger than before,

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blocking fast attacks easily,and showing high levels of reactions,by reacting to point blank explosions at the instance of explosion,shown with deidara's c3

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and joki boy's explosion

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countering Kakuzu's ninjutsu
- fie release
kakuzu's fire release attack has a wide range,however,one thing is very certain,sand is resistant to being burnt,so a sand wall would suffice.

wind release
kakuzu's wind release attack is a pressure ype explosion,however,gaara can harden his sand to metal like qualities and beyond,gaara's defence would be able to handle the attack,or gaara could just counter with a tidal wave,which has a much bigger radius than the wind attack

lightening release
gaara can handle gian,as sand is an insulator,it will halt gian's penetration through it,also he can erectv multile walls to comletely shut it off,gian isnt piercing this

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. Also since gaara posseses sensor sand,he can sense the buildup of chakra within the mask just like ino did,and even make a clone instead.

earth release
domu is gaara's problem,however,gara has many ways to handle it,he could either seal him,or just leave him buried.

Kakuzu would have to constantly dodge attacks from every angle,gaara's auto defence ensures that his threads are of no use,no matter how he attacks with them. His masks have no speed or durability to survive his onslought. A simple sand hail attack could take down all the clones.

 

[Zexion~]

Thats quite a long ass distance you have put as at .. -.-

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Kakuzu​

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First as any good opener i will simply give you a brief explanation of Kakuzu's abilities .. Kakuzu was part of a Organization known as the Akatsuki, which was filled with S rank Shinobi who were all incredibly strong.
Kakuzu himself had a incredibly powerful Kinjutsu that enabled him to do an abundant of things, Earth Grudge Fear (the name of said kinjutsu) Allowed Kakuzu to, Store up to 5 hearts meaning he basically had a sort of 5 lives scenario, This also allowed Kakuzu to harness the chakra affinity of any heart he had taken from fallen Shinobi. The 4 elements he has been shown to Use were Earth,Lightning,Fire and Wind, Using very powerful jutsu from each element. Not only that but the EGF changed his body structure, into being made completely out of threads that he can use for offense or defense this is often overlooked by most

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. In this debate that means that Gaara's attacks that pierce,slice will have no affect along with a few others .. but ill counter them when you input them in the debate.

Lightning Style
Now .. your a little off on Sand conducting electricity

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If that was the case Sasuke's chidori would of been conducted .. Also lightning is one of the few things capable of melting sand into glass..Which is why raiton can pierce through sand, it's heat softens up the sand which is followed by tremendous piercing properties which most raiton's contain. Due to Kakuzu having a incredibly fast Raiton technique .. He could easily fire it off at gaara,, piercing through the sand and his armor,

Windstyle
Your correct that a sand tsunami most likely would be an effective counter for his wind style but your forgetting one detail

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Kakuzu's hearts have the ability to fly .. So all the heart needs to do is fly ABOVE the tsunami and shoot

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DOWN on Gaara.. and since the bulk of his sand would be in that tsunami he would of limited counters .. if one at all

Fire Style
The fire style would be used the least however again his hearts can fly

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and the searing migraine jutsu is one where he shoots out a fire ball that ignites instantaneously into a giant flame when it makes contact with anything

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, so all Kakuzu needs to do is fly over gaara's defenses ..which is not too hard considering a few clay birds were able to avoid gaara's sand .. in a desert none the less

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and launch the fireball that Gaara would most likely think is just that .. a small fireball and defend it with a whip of his sand close up .. no way he would resort to using a large scale defense, then once it hits said defense.. it will ignite into

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and then

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which may not kill Gaara but it would definitely Injure him ..

 

[genii96]

Okay first of all,
natural llightening turns sand to glass,lightening from chakra or a shinobi is much weaker than that. Kirin for example is an attack that uses natural lightening,look at the effects. Chidori pierced it because his sand defence was quite small,and the chidori didnt even go too far,it gave gaara a small wound on his shoulder. Also as for the heat softening the sand argument,sand has a temperature of over 1500 degrees thats something that man made lightening cant hope to match that. Furthermore,like i said,gaara is a sensor,he can detect the foul chakra it's building up,and simply have a clone take the blow,which the clone will reform as well. Gian was credited as being able to pierce through rock,it can't pierce through metal,which gaara's sand far surpases in durability. Gaara's large walls would prove sufficient in dealin with it. Also i never said sand cnducts electricity,i said it was an insulator.

 

[Zexion~]

Okay first of all,
natural llightening turns sand to glass,lightening from chakra or a shinobi is much weaker than that. Kirin for example is an attack that uses natural lightening,look at the effects. Chidori pierced it because his sand defence was quite small,and the chidori didnt even go too far,it gave gaara a small wound on his shoulder. Also as for the heat softening the sand argument,sand has a temperature of over 1500 degrees thats something that man made lightening cant hope to match that. Furthermore,like i said,gaara is a sensor,he can detect the foul chakra it's building up,and simply have a clone take the blow,which the clone will reform as well. Gian was credited as being able to pierce through rock,it can't pierce through metal,which gaara's sand far surpases in durability. Gaara's large walls would prove sufficient in dealin with it. Also i never said sand cnducts electricity,i said it was an insulator.

You didn't really counter much my man only my raiton ..

Anyways im pretty sure sand sensing can only be used when the sand touches an object so its not helping him realize when raiton gian is coming ..And Sasuke's chidori did not go in farther because his arms could not extend anymore due to the wall of sand in his way... gian would pierce right through it .. ( and my mistake i meant to say insulator) .and if he put a clone up to block Gian it would pierce through the clone and hit him .. although again i can not really post much as you only countered my raiton

 

[genii96]

Lightening mask
first of all,
natural llightening turns sand to glass,lightening from chakra or a shinobi is much weaker than that. Kirin for example is an attack that uses natural lightening,look at the effects. Chidori pierced it because his sand defence was quite small,and the chidori didnt even go too far,it gave gaara a small wound on his shoulder. Also as for the heat softening the sand argument,sand has a temperature of over 1500 degrees thats something that man made lightening cant hope to match that. Furthermore,like i said,gaara is a sensor,he can detect the foul chakra it's building up,and simply have a clone take the blow,which the clone will reform as well. Gian was credited as being able to pierce through rock,it can't pierce through metal,which gaara's sand far surpases in durability. Gaara's large walls would prove sufficient in dealin with it. Also i never said sand cnducts electricity,i said it was an insulator.

The wind mask
how would the mask fly over the tsunami and fire if gaara fires the tsunami as a COUNTER MEASURE to the initial attack?. Also even if gaara fires first,and it flies over it,gaara can control the sand in the tsunami,he can simply hae some of the sand chase the mask and ambush it. Even if the mask escapes gaara can just fuse the sand around him to block it,from the point of the tsunami to where it ends,there will be sand everywhere,and since the tsunami starts infront of gaara,he can just use that. He was able to get sand from the village to block an ariel c3 at point blnk

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so it's no trouble.

Fire mask
there is a very big difference between very fast small birds and average speed large objects,those clay birds were small and fast and thus able to wriggle arount the sand,and gaara wasnt even paying much atention the those birds,except the ones that he blocked by using a sand sphere. These masks arent too quick nor are they small,also gaara will put up his defences only when he sees the attack coming,not before. Gaara can also use his sand dome,which protects him 360 degrees and his sand armour as well,so the fire attack if they actually get through the intitial defence,they will still fail.

As time goes on,the amount of sand in the area will keep increasing and eventually kakuzu will find himself either sealed up

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or buried.

 

[Zexion~]

Lightening mask
first of all,
natural llightening turns sand to glass,lightening from chakra or a shinobi is much weaker than that. Kirin for example is an attack that uses natural lightening,look at the effects. Chidori pierced it because his sand defence was quite small,and the chidori didnt even go too far,it gave gaara a small wound on his shoulder. Also as for the heat softening the sand argument,sand has a temperature of over 1500 degrees thats something that man made lightening cant hope to match that. Furthermore,like i said,gaara is a sensor,he can detect the foul chakra it's building up,and simply have a clone take the blow,which the clone will reform as well. Gian was credited as being able to pierce through rock,it can't pierce through metal,which gaara's sand far surpases in durability. Gaara's large walls would prove sufficient in dealin with it. Also i never said sand cnducts electricity,i said it was an insulator.

The wind mask
how would the mask fly over the tsunami and fire if gaara fires the tsunami as a COUNTER MEASURE to the initial attack?. Also even if gaara fires first,and it flies over it,gaara can control the sand in the tsunami,he can simply hae some of the sand chase the mask and ambush it. Even if the mask escapes gaara can just fuse the sand around him to block it,from the point of the tsunami to where it ends,there will be sand everywhere,and since the tsunami starts infront of gaara,he can just use that. He was able to get sand from the village to block an ariel c3 at point blnk

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so it's no trouble.

Fire mask
there is a very big difference between very fast small birds and average speed large objects,those clay birds were small and fast and thus able to wriggle arount the sand,and gaara wasnt even paying much atention the those birds,except the ones that he blocked by using a sand sphere. These masks arent too quick nor are they small,also gaara will put up his defences only when he sees the attack coming,not before. Gaara can also use his sand dome,which protects him 360 degrees and his sand armour as well,so the fire attack if they actually get through the intitial defence,they will still fail.

As time goes on,the amount of sand in the area will keep increasing and eventually kakuzu will find himself either sealed up

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or buried.

So your saying Kakuzu would just sit there and wait for a sand pyramid to form around him? .. no and even if it did the hearts would still fight on,

Ok my man, what makes you think Natural lightning is so different from Raiton.. Is suiton different from water? katon from fire? Doton from rock and earth? no not really .. untill you find a scan that proves otherwise Raiton is the same heat as lightning. Again the chidori only gave him a wound on his shouler because his whole arm is not made of raiton .. Kakuzu's jutsu is much larger then chidori

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.. so it would pierce all the way through his little dome of sand. Its size does not matter .an insulator is an insulator, and that dome is his main form of defense..

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so its not "weak"

So your saying you would counter Kakuzu's wind style with the same thing he did with c3? if so that means 2 things
1. He would be exhausted like he was back then ..

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2 he would be wide open for an attack from one of Kakuzu's other hearts
And you really think he can not fire more then one wind jutsu? He fires one which Gaara would have to defend with a tsunami your saying, then flies over it and fires another the tsunami would already be far from Gaara when the next is launched so him using it again to defend from it is not happening

Actually the masks are hard to hit .. seeing as the only thing that would actually deter them is hitting their masks .. which are about the same size as the clay birds actually .. Anything that hit's the threaded part of the monster would simply go right through it .. So yes it would be hard to hit indeed, and how would he see the attack coming if he is being attacked by a wind mask as well? not to mention when the two combine for the attack it would be even more devastating .. im saying that while the Wind mask is attacking from the front the fire mask would be attack from Gaara's rear and he already wasted sand in that tsunami you said would block the first wind style.. so he really does not have much to work with .

 

[Boston Rob]

Okey gaara would lose...

 

[genii96]

Kakuzu wont have a choice,cuz he would be caught by sand,gaara can trap him from below using this,

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that was formed in the air,kauzu is on the ground,he wnt really have much to do b4 he gets swallowed up.


Also,about the lightnening own,here

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there is a clear distinction made between making lightening from your body and drawing natural lightening. Also natural lightening is hotter than the sun,about 5x hotter. You think kakuzu's lightening spear is that hot?,yet all it did was burn off kakashi's gloves,it would have evaporated him.

I didnt say he would use that shield to block the wind jutsu,i said he could carry a large amount of sand from a far distance and block the wind jutsu in a very short time,gaara blocking c3 like that just proved my point.

The masks arent hard to hit,they are not fast,thus gaara can use sand arms like these

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to grab the masks,and he can make several of those sand arms

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,so they are not a problem.

Gaara can see their attack coming via a hidden sand eye and his sand sensing.

 

[Zexion~]

Yes your right about it being hotter then the SURFACE of the sun however the reason that heat is not always the major injury factor is that the air in the path of the bolt is ionized and expands rapidly, so that the thin gas does not contain as much heat energy as the temperature suggests, so it is still hot .. however its not as hot as the temperature makes it look like .. an Zetsu said its on a whole other level then manipulating chakra.. has nothing too do with heat AT ALL ..

How is Gaara going to trap Kakuzu, with such a slow moving trap from 75 meters away .U_U not happening not that it matters as Kakuzu's domu and threads may be able to rip through it . As he was able to knock down a Malleable iron door .. that is much more durable then steel, so dont give me that comparision either

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Yes but if he used all that sand to block the wind style.. again he would be exhausted (not posting scans twice) and it would reduce the amount of sand he has to use, as deidara said it forced him to only being able to use his gord sand as a defense

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Kakuzu would imply a similar strategy except this time Gaara is not in a sphere .. so he would get burnt to a crisp .. Because the wind and fire styles would be attacking from the front and the back at the same time.. The masks ARE hard too hit

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they avoided Chouji's hands which are actually similar to those hands you posted of Gaara's .. and that was on the ground ..

Sand eye gets obliterated with his extended hands

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Yes they can extend that far because he has a near unlimited amount of threads in his body

 

[genii96]

Kakuzu's gian isnt like a lightening bolt which happens in an instant,it's a continous surge of lightening,and it was met by another raiton jutsu which is raikiri,

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the heat produced from these 2 if they were anything close to normal lightening should have done much more than simply burn off those gloves. Zetsu said that it was on a whole other level than simply manipulating one's chajra,which is what kakuzu's gian coms from,so it's not natural lightening. The heat fact was gotten from the web,not that scan. Also joki boy's explosion melted the gold gaara hid in his sand,which means the heat produced was over 1000 degrees celcius,yet gaara had no trouble with it. If the heat from gian was anywhere near that,kakashi would have lost much more than his gloves.

Slow trap?,deidara while flying is a lot faster than kakuzu,yet the trap formed around him so fast he didnt even know until he was covered. Note that he was in the air,and thus gaara had to move the sand from either thr ground or the ones infronf of him to get behind him. Here kakuzu is on the floor,directly on the sand,and kakuzu's domu or threads arent breaking through anything,if he is using domu then he cant use his threads,and if he is actually able to punch through the sand,by the time he gets through all that sand,he would have been sealed up.
Gaara does not have to use that amount of sand to block the wind mask at all,he used that much to block c3 which was a village buster,the wind attack cant destroy a forest,a sand tsunami takes nothing out of him. And like i said,he can easily cut off part of the sand if he sees that the masks are flying over it,and chase them. Also gaara can attack and defend at the same time,and kakuzu can not use doton domu and another mask together,so if he is ttacking with the masks,he leaves himself open to a sand burial.
They avoided choji's palms because he attacked them from above and they could hide underground,gaara's sand arms come frm underground and they can aome from anywhere,ever under their feet

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,also like i said,gaara can make several,if they are dodgin one another gets them from behind,they cant go underground cuz they will be killed very easily,they dont fly very fast so that wont help them either.
How will kakuzu know where the sand eye is?,gaara can hide it easily.

 

[Zexion~]

Kakuzu's gian isnt like a lightening bolt which happens in an instant,it's a continous surge of lightening,and it was met by another raiton jutsu which is raikiri,

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the heat produced from these 2 if they were anything close to normal lightening should have done much more than simply burn off those gloves. Zetsu said that it was on a whole other level than simply manipulating one's chajra,which is what kakuzu's gian coms from,so it's not natural lightening. The heat fact was gotten from the web,not that scan. Also joki boy's explosion melted the gold gaara hid in his sand,which means the heat produced was over 1000 degrees celcius,yet gaara had no trouble with it. If the heat from gian was anywhere near that,kakashi would have lost much more than his gloves.

Slow trap?,deidara while flying is a lot faster than kakuzu,yet the trap formed around him so fast he didnt even know until he was covered. Note that he was in the air,and thus gaara had to move the sand from either thr ground or the ones infronf of him to get behind him. Here kakuzu is on the floor,directly on the sand,and kakuzu's domu or threads arent breaking through anything,if he is using domu then he cant use his threads,and if he is actually able to punch through the sand,by the time he gets through all that sand,he would have been sealed up.
Gaara does not have to use that amount of sand to block the wind mask at all,he used that much to block c3 which was a village buster,the wind attack cant destroy a forest,a sand tsunami takes nothing out of him. And like i said,he can easily cut off part of the sand if he sees that the masks are flying over it,and chase them. Also gaara can attack and defend at the same time,and kakuzu can not use doton domu and another mask together,so if he is ttacking with the masks,he leaves himself open to a sand burial.
They avoided choji's palms because he attacked them from above and they could hide underground,gaara's sand arms come frm underground and they can aome from anywhere,ever under their feet

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,also like i said,gaara can make several,if they are dodgin one another gets them from behind,they cant go underground cuz they will be killed very easily,they dont fly very fast so that wont help them either.
How will kakuzu know where the sand eye is?,gaara can hide it easily.

Did you not read what i said? " is that the air in the path of the bolt is ionized and expands rapidly, so that the thin gas does not contain as much heat energy as the temperature suggests" A.K.A lightning is not that hot which is why people survive it ..
Also It caught Deidara when he was not moving at all

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It suprised him .. and since there is no sand 75 meters from Gaara behind Kakuzu its not surprising him in the slightest

No it would only take one domu punch? but fine Kakuzu just would not get caught by such a slow trap .. He is not an idiot he would know not too stay on gaara's sand .. And from 75 meters it would be hard for Gaara to utilize it while he is being bombarded with attacks. And Gaara can not attack and defend at the EXACT time ..? hes not controlling something 75 meters away and defending from attacks right in front of him... The combined force of the Wind+Fire jutsu .. And cutting of part of the tsunami won't help him defend from the fire style ambush ... He can't see coming..And Unless your in a desert and the terrain is made out of sand it has to form right next to him .. So Kakuzu will indeed notice it and Gaara Hide? don't make me laugh he is one of the slowest characters in the manga hes not escaping from Kakuzu's view ..ever

 

[slimreaper]

Okay,this will be a debate between Zexion and I. It will be a gaara vs kakuzu debate.

The rules are
- each debater will make a post at one time only,he will wait for the other to rebute

-non contestants cant debate,but can say who they think wins

- i will begin

the judges are;
-iNotorious
-Sacrosanct
-The Evil one

the match will last 3 days and end after that or when one debater quits.

This is the stipulation;
Gaara vs Kakuzu
location: Open grassland
distance: 75m
intel: manga
restrictions: none

I no joke made this thread a few days ago

 

[genii96]

[Whether the air expands or not is irrelevant,the link i showed proved that raiton isnt normal lightening except when you do it like sasuke.
Deidara wasnt moving because he had no idea what was behind him,it formed so fast he didnt even notice until he was already yrapped. The only reason that trap formed behind him was that they were in the air,and he had to send it towards him. Kakuzu is not on the air,thus the trap will just setoff below him,and he will be trapped.

Actually gaara doeas attack and defend at the same time

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and also here,

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,he attacked and defended at the same time.gaara is a long range fighter controlling sand 75m away is nothing,it is even a very good thing for gaara.
Why would gaara not see the attack?,if they fly over the sand tsunami,he will easily spot them. Also them attacking after they have flown over isnt an option,why?,because the sand wave will continue onwards towards kakuzu,and drown him if he dosent use his domu,and if he is using dome,then he isnt using his other masks at the same time,since they are not his hearts,he cant have 2 hearts in his body.
I could say the same for kakuzu and his hearts,if they are defending from sand arms,sand tsunamis,sand hails and sand traps,they wont attack at the same either.
Gaara can hide his sand eye anywhere he wants,and gaara isnt slow,he appears that way because he has his heavy sand armour and his gourd sand which is very heavy seeing how much sand it carries. However,gaara isnt slow,he reacted to a blink from lee to escape his front lotus.

 

[Zexion~]

I think the judges should judge now its getting repetitive and i wont be able to come on at all tomorrow ..

 

[genii96]

Alright then,let the judges decide.

 

[Zexion~]

you should probably tell them were finished

 

[genii96]

I have done that