1/3 Hiruzen's Hype Proven.

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Like who?
The only people i can think of is:

Shikimaru
Itachi
Minato

But even still, none of them have deduced a elemental shape manipulated ball of chakra.

Right, plus everyone else on the battlefield analyzed what happened to Hiruzen, he didn't have to actually tell them instantly. With Hiruzen's information, he knows what he has to do to save Naruto and Sasuke
 

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Even Orochimaru stated that if he were 10 years younger (live not edo) he wudda have taken him easily. We are talking about 3vs1 "God of Shinobi" (Hashirama along with his brother) and orochimaru, and yet oro got deafted.

Great job there didn't notice the analysing ability untill now.

Your welcome.
 

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Great post!

Sad thing is though.. Asking to see Prime 100% hiruzen is like asking to see Itachi go all out against someone
 

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Great post!

Sad thing is though.. Asking to see Prime 100% hiruzen is like asking to see Itachi go all out against someone

HAHAHAHAHA True

Or seeing kakashi rage on someone with his 1000 jutsu's.
 

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Even Orochimaru stated that if he were 10 years younger (live not edo) he wudda have taken him easily. We are talking about 3vs1 "God of Shinobi" (Hashirama along with his brother) and orochimaru, and yet oro got deafted.

Orochimaru was referring to the fact that had Hiruzen been 10 years younger, he would have been able to seal away Orochimaru with himself as well as the two weakened Edo Hokage. Hiruzen was not able to do it at age 69 because his body failed on him when he was just about to kill Orochimaru, so he had to settle for less.
 

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I agree with the overall point about Hiruzen being very intelligent, but I believe that you are overhyping this particular situation. Not saying it wasn't impressive, just that it doesn't live up to the "professor" hype that you're trying to give it.

Firstly, He was called the professor because of his knowledge of every jutsu that existed in the leaf at one point in time. Now while that certainly takes both a considerable amount of strength, and intelligence, it doesn't directly add any credentials to his deduction skills. Knowing a lot of jutsu doesn't mean you have the skills to deduce nor counter a lot of justu. Let me explain using this same example.

1.
You are correct in saying that the shuriken jutsu he used was a good way to try and find out about Jubito's attack. But what you fail to realize is that the concept behind it is quite simple. It's honestly common sense for a ninja to try and attack an opponent from as many angles as possible in order to get a better idea of their offense and defense. Naruto does the exact same thing every time he uses his shadow clones to start a battle. In fact, Naruto's shadow clones are actually better suited since they allow him to attack and observe from a distance, like Hiruzen's shuriken's, but his clones can attack from every angle, so Naruto can get a more complete look at how his opponent defends and attacks at every angle, whereas Hiruzen's shurikens are only coming at you from one direction. Hiruzen's only advantage would be that his shurikens might be faster than Naruto's clones and he may use slightly less chakra but again, he can only attack from one direction. In other words, Hiruzen only saw Jubito's jutsu, Naruto would've had a chance to see Jubito's jutsu and true battle style from all angles.

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Now I'm not saying Naruto is as smart as Hiruzen. Clearly Naruto wouldn't have been able to pick up on the fact that Jubito was using a jutsu similar to Oonoki nor the fact that the jutsu probably uses more than four nature transformations. Notice I bolded that word because this is important. Your thread makes it seem as if Hiruzen managed to decipher the exact inner workings of the jutsu. All Hiruzen did was realize that Jubito was using a move that was similar to Oonoki's. He knew that because well.....he's seen Oonoki's jutsu.

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Anything with a "dynamic shape" means that it's shape is constantly moving or changing. Again, not that difficult to realize that something that can change it's shape can become an offensive or a defensive weapon depending on it's shape manipulation. Hiruzen is a very smart guy who has knowledge of nature transformations. But all he said was it uses multiple nature transformations. He wasn't able to tell what transformations he used or anything. Hiruzen isn't the only one with knowledge on nature transformations. So I'm not convinced that another ninja couldn't have guessed (because again Hiruzen wasn't even sure about the number of transformations used) that Jubito was probably using multiple nature transformations

My last point, if he weren't an edo he would've likely died before he could've finished his deduction because he clearly got hit hard in the shoulder before he could even finish what he was thinking. I'm not saying Hiruzen is not a genius and I share your frustration for members constantly hating on him due to lack of proper screen time. But let's not get so excited that we end up overhyping him to make up for the underhype. Minato, Itachi, and Sasuke were also called geniuses too, and they aren't all on the same level. I'm sorry but we're going to need more than this before we start shouting "professor!" from the rooftops. Hopefully Kishi will really Hiruzen his due feats. But unfortunately, Shikamaru's abilities to combine distance, enemy fight patterns and movements, light bending and reflection to increase his shadow range and capture a an opponent is more impressive than this. I'd say this feat by Hiruzen is on par with Minato's deduction and strategy against Obito.
 
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honestly..

I think people are over exaggerating this analyzing feat from hiruzen.

Many ninjas have shown remarkable analyzing and thinking feats while in the heat of battle.
This. At this point, pointing this out as a feat is just overwanking Hiruzen. All he did was find out that it can only hold a shape for a certain amount of time, in which he can merely change the shape again.

That's probably the smartest thing anyone has deduced in 10 seconds in this manga. /sarcasm
 

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Orochimaru was referring to the fact that had Hiruzen been 10 years younger, he would have been able to seal away Orochimaru with himself as well as the two weakened Edo Hokage. Hiruzen was not able to do it at age 69 because his body failed on him when he was just about to kill Orochimaru, so he had to settle for less.

Wrong. Ten years prior he'd have solo'd Oro.
 
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