Internet couples : Possible or just a Substitute?

[Disquiet]

I would provide my input but I can't explain an illogical concept with logical reasoning.

lol right after I made my post. I completely agree.

 

[EnDash]

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love works in mysterious ways...

but seriously i don't see why it can't happen, love is a feeling to another person, the way in which you communicate with that person is irrelevant. if people can talk on the phone, send SMS messages or communicate through mail and love each other the internet is not that diffrent. however i will agree that meeting the other guy/girl in person might change your opinion on them and the love will be lost. but you can defenitly fell in love over the internet.

 

[Forest]

My cousin met his fiance on MMORPG. I use to laugh at him, cause he was from virginia nd she was from canada, till she moved down to virginia, Now he has a fiance that will play video games with him and cook and clean for him while he works. So Yeah Finding someone who has a lot in common with you even though its the internet can be the greatest shit ever

 

[Frankenstein]

As real as it seems to me at one point in time, i dont really believe in online dating... or... i dont consider it to be actually dating. I dunno its just something about myself. I've been in a relationship with someone over the internet once, and it didnt feel like it clicked in with my reality activities. So i dont really think it to be real. Other people may think other-wise though and thats ok, but this is my opinion :> lol

That is very much to the point. An online relationship does indeed resemble a video game
You log on, "play" with the man/woman you are in an online relationship with and then log off and meet your friends or go to work or whatever.

How can one really call that a relationship, a bond and invest on it? I wonder.

My cousin met his fiance on MMORPG. I use to laugh at him, cause he was from virginia nd she was from canada, till she moved down to virginia, Now he has a fiance that will play video games with him and cook and clean for him while he works. So Yeah Finding someone who has a lot in common with you even though its the internet can be the greatest shit ever

Haha what is that? The 9gag dream wife? =D
Maybe if the 2 people involved in it don't have that many aspirations/ambitions in life it can work indeed.

I double check who made the thread.(●˙•˙● ) lol..


Possible and Substitute. Both exist and still happenning.

I'm honestly happy for those people who think they already found their one true love , wheter it's on the internet, even in mars. Love moves in mysterious ways and seems like it has a GPS too.

Haha it just is an interesting subject.

Yeah you are happy for them but will they be log-term happy? Or one day one of them realizes that he/she wants something more and decides to log off? Or if they don't and they meet, can they really make the sacrifices they have to, as Chiharu said above, and even if they do, how can they be sure that this investment will pay off? Anyone who has studied economics would laugh at that investment lol.

I would provide my input but I can't explain an illogical concept with logical reasoning.

The concept of falling in love isn't illogical at all. After all you fall in love through your brain not your heart. So how can something that is the result of your brain's functions be illogical.
Make no mistake, the feelings are a result of the brain's functions too if you think about it.
Your brain has learned that under those circumstances that condition is satisfied which then is compared with another condition, inducing as a final result that feeling.

 

[Forest]

That is very much to the point. An online relationship does indeed resemble a video game
You log on, "play" with the man/woman you are in an online relationship with and then log off and meet your friends or go to work or whatever.

How can one really call that a relationship, a bond and invest on it? I wonder.




Haha what is that? The 9gag dream wife? =D
Maybe if the 2 people involved in it don't have that many aspirations/ambitions in life it can work indeed.



Haha it just is an interesting subject.

Yeah you are happy for them but will they be log-term happy? Or one day one of them realizes that he/she wants something more and decides to log off? Or if they don't and they meet, can they really make the sacrifices they have to, as Chiharu said above, and even if they do, how can they be sure that this investment will pay off? Anyone who has studied economics would laugh at that investment lol.



The concept of falling in love isn't illogical at all. After all you fall in love through your brain not your heart. So how can something that is the result of your brain's functions be illogical.
Make no mistake, the feelings are a result of the brain's functions too if you think about it.
Your brain has learned that under those circumstances that condition is satisfied which then is compared with another condition, inducing as a final result that feeling.

I guess you are kind of right theres got to be balance or sacrifice which is why most of the times this type of hting doesn't really work out. but considering my cousin's an engineer consultant 4 Booz allen hamilton, i'd say he has to have some motivation in him lol. HE just has hobbies that you would not expect the typical adult person to have.. he's a gamer and so is she so it works out perfectly.

 

[Οdin]

There's no point to it if you aren't willing to meet in real life.

 

[Disquiet]

. After all you fall in love through your brain not your heart. So how can something that is the result of your brain's functions be illogical.

Some may thing it's logical to believe in a God, some don't think it's logical to believe in such a concept without any proof. Some may think it's logical to believe in aliens, while others find it completely crazy. Some may think it's logical to believe Madara's plan won't succeed in the end, and the good guys will win. I'm sure all would agree.

Love is far from being simple. When you try to make sense of love, you will do so with your thinking, when it clearly doesn't obey any standard or tradition.

On top of that, the heart has a lot to do with it as well, rather than just solely thinking about a concept. So yeah.

Meaning if 999 out of 1000 fail and one has worked it isn't really possible now, is it?

Yes, that means it's possible, which answers your question. If 1 out of 10 fail, then that just makes it more likely to succeed.

 

[~Shadowhunter Princess~]

I don't think internet relationships can work out at all U_U
Congrats do those people who actually find true love on the internet.

 

[GOD2U]

So any girls out there want to be my girlfriend?

 

[Frankenstein]

Some may thing it's logical to believe in a God, some don't think it's logical to believe in such a concept without any proof. Some may think it's logical to believe in aliens, while others find it completely crazy. Some may think it's logical to believe Madara's plan won't succeed in the end, and the good guys will win. I'm sure all would agree.

Love is far from being simple. When you try to make sense of love, you will do so with your thinking, when it clearly doesn't obey any standard or tradition.

On top of that, the heart has a lot to do with it as well, rather than just solely thinking about a concept. So yeah.





Yes, that means it's possible, which answers your question. If 1 out of 10 fail, then that just makes it more likely to succeed.

Woah woah what happened there? I didn't question anybody's belief in love! I leave that to Huey Lewis And The News =D
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What I said was that the "way" you fall in love with somebody isn't illogical at all. So, I think you mixed something there, logical with illogical, belief with "how it works", haha mabe more than one thing

The heart just sends the blood to the brain But you mean emotions, obviously. But those are caused by the brain too unless you believe in "something supernatural, extra-terrestrial" Well in that case the debate goes completely off the way.
But even so, even so. I will give you even a psyche, unconnected to the mind for the sake of the debate. When you communicate through the internet you mostly write, no? So you have some emotions and all coming from you independent "psyche" let's say. How are you expressing them though? Through writing. Meaning they are filtered. So it's a brain thing again.
When you communicate face to face though, look into the other person's eyes, seeing them laugh, feel them, see their expressions, then maybe there is a chance that it's not just a brain thing.
I think you get my point.

As for how the fact that 999 out of 1000 fail got transformed into the "1 out of 10 fail" I honestly have no idea. You messed something up again

 

[Twisted007]

Internet can be a meeting platform but nothing more than that. How can you love a person you never saw in real life :erm:

 

[Aertes]

Exactly. What people need to understand is, love obeys the philosophy and ideals of no man. It does what it wants. What we do however, is try to limit the limitless. We try to make something that's totally illogical, logical. And if we succeed, it's only in our heads. We obey the concept we create.

Love is not illogical and it does obey the the philosophy and ideals of man.

Go back in time and look at the concept of love. It changes it standards depending on the society and the culture of each civilization. In history you will find so many examples of how love was during a certain period of time. Take ancient Greek and Rome for example, the praise of beauty and passionate love, based mostly on the "pleasures of the flesh" in contrast with the Asian culture were "perfect love" was depended on moral, respect, spiritual connection and pride. Compare the concept of love during medieval period and 21st century and you will only find contrasts.

Love and the things you do for love changes and is reformed by humans, it only obeys human nature and our need for reproduction and retention of our kind along with our need for socialization. Our feelings, which our brain produces, are born by concepts of the "ideal" our society creates.

On topic, if the circumstances are right, maybe an internet relationship can take it to the next level and work.
But that only depends on someone's personality.
What expectations do you have when you meet someone over the internet? Do you believe them to be what they claim they are? How serious do you take a person online? Is it just a fun place you "play" until you get back to your real life or you think internet to be your life?
Personally, I don't believe that you can actually get to know someone over the internet, enough to fall in love. To actually know someone, you need to get him out of his comfort zone. Otherwise, we can all show what we wanted to be and not what we really are. I wouldn't settle for the first. Someone else would, so there you have your chances for a successful internet relationship.

 

[Evil Boy Genius]

Well, anything's possible, so sure.

 

[Crutch Kaguya]

Go to college brah, it'll all make sense.

 

[Frankenstein]

Go to college brah, it'll all make sense.

Well, if you are referring to me I actually can't wait to leave it next year

 

[Disquiet]

Woah woah what happened there? I didn't question anybody's belief in love! I leave that to Huey Lewis And The News =D


What I said was that the "way" you fall in love with somebody isn't illogical at all. So, I think you mixed something there, logical with illogical, belief with "how it works", haha mabe more than one thing

The heart just sends the blood to the brain But you mean emotions, obviously. But those are caused by the brain too unless you believe in "something supernatural, extra-terrestrial" Well in that case the debate goes completely off the way.
But even so, even so. I will give you even a psyche, unconnected to the mind for the sake of the debate. When you communicate through the internet you mostly write, no? So you have some emotions and all coming from you independent "psyche" let's say. How are you expressing them though? Through writing. Meaning they are filtered. So it's a brain thing again.
When you communicate face to face though, look into the other person's eyes, seeing them laugh, feel them, see their expressions, then maybe there is a chance that it's not just a brain thing.
I think you get my point.

As for how the fact that 999 out of 1000 fail got transformed into the "1 out of 10 fail" I honestly have no idea. You messed something up again

Love is not illogical and it does obey the the philosophy and ideals of man.

Go back in time and look at the concept of love. It changes it standards depending on the society and the culture of each civilization. In history you will find so many examples of how love was during a certain period of time. Take ancient Greek and Rome for example, the praise of beauty and passionate love, based mostly on the "pleasures of the flesh" in contrast with the Asian culture were "perfect love" was depended on moral, respect, spiritual connection and pride. Compare the concept of love during medieval period and 21st century and you will only find contrasts.

Love and the things you do for love changes and is reformed by humans, it only obeys human nature and our need for reproduction and retention of our kind along with our need for socialization. Our feelings, which our brain produces, are born by concepts of the "ideal" our society creates.

On topic, if the circumstances are right, maybe an internet relationship can take it to the next level and work.
But that only depends on someone's personality.
What expectations do you have when you meet someone over the internet? Do you believe them to be what they claim they are? How serious do you take a person online? Is it just a fun place you "play" until you get back to your real life or you think internet to be your life?

Hmmm it seems both you spent the majority of your posts arguing against the 'Love=Illogical' statement.


@Kyo4 I did mess up. I actually meant to say if 1 out of 10 succeed. Meaning if 999 out of 1,000 fail, it would just make it unlikely, not impossible. Anyways you were just making up statistics, so while you stated that it is possible, I was showing the possibility that it may be even more likely.



To the both of you~

Just so we understand each other, it's already been proven possible. No? So, what's the argument? That it's logical? Yet, are you saying you don't understand why people do it? Your arguments are contradictory. Unless you're saying you just won't do it, well then okay.

The mistake I see, is that you both restricted love to relationships only. Human reactions to applied love is enough to prove that love isn't logical. This thread displayed how some don't understand why people would engage in online relationships. Even in different cultures and societies, love is practiced differently. Yet, they are use to it. We can become trained to a tradition, but when we speak of love, how can we sure we aren't speaking though an influenced mind and heart? Influenced by our environment? We can easily look at another's culture practice of love, and look down it. Maybe not you, but let's not be naive, many people do it. Put simply, it's because you (again not necessarily you) don't understand it. As I said, love obeys the philosophy of no man. Man chooses to believe the philosophy they created during a certain era, another culture.

As for your questions, Chiharu. It just depends on my emotional connection to the person.

Personally, I don't believe that you can actually get to know someone over the internet, enough to fall in love. To actually know someone, you need to get him out of his comfort zone. Otherwise, we can all show what we wanted to be and not what we really are. I wouldn't settle for the first. Someone else would, so there you have your chances for a successful internet relationship.

Personally.


EDIT- I wonder what was the motive behind this thread.

 

[YowYan]

So any girls out there want to be my girlfriend?

I'll gladly be your girl xxx lets text each other saying how much we luv each other based on pics and sexting.

 

[Forest]

Some people could go months without seeing each other, other people need to see their significant other on a daily basis in order to stay faithful, each persons different

 

[Frankenstein]

Hmmm it seems both you spent the majority of your posts arguing against the 'Love=Illogical' statement.


@Kyo4 I did mess up. I actually meant to say if 1 out of 10 succeed. Meaning if 999 out of 1,000 fail, it would just make it unlikely, not impossible. Anyways you were just making up statistics, so while you stated that it is possible, I was showing the possibility that it may be even more likely.



To the both of you~

Just so we understand each other, it's already been proven possible. No? So, what's the argument? That it's logical? Yet, are you saying you don't understand why people do it? Your arguments are contradictory. Unless you're saying you just won't do it, well then okay.

The mistake I see, is that you both restricted love to relationships only. Human reactions to applied love is enough to prove that love isn't logical. This thread displayed how some don't understand why people would engage in online relationships. Even in different cultures and societies, love is practiced differently. Yet, they are use to it. We can become trained to a tradition, but when we speak of love, how can we sure we aren't speaking though an influenced mind and heart? Influenced by our environment? We can easily look at another's culture practice of love, and look down it. Maybe not you, but let's not be naive, many people do it. Put simply, it's because you (again not necessarily you) don't understand it. As I said, love obeys the philosophy of no man. Man chooses to believe the philosophy they created during a certain era, another culture.

As for your questions. It just depends on my emotions.






Personally.

Well yeah because it was more interesting

Then it would be 1 out of 1000, don't change the numbers. 1 out of 10 is a big big chance!!

I don't know what Chiharu thinks so I will answer for myself and according to the points I made.

Possible and practically possible is a very big difference. Say I tell you "Hey Yami we will play russian rulette with a 45-bullet gun and 44 bullets in it. Do you think it's possible that you win?" It is! Even winning the lottery is! But practically you would be dead and I would take the money
Same with online relationships. The fact that you might have "online chemistry" doesn't mean anything at all about the actual relationship you are gonna have face to face. You see, from the comfort of your couch, with a snack and a drink maybe, taking some time in between the posts you can say whatever you want and interact perfectly with anyone. And if something goes wrong? Well big deal! The impact is just too little. What's gonna happen when you meet face to face though?
Also the sacrifices one has to make to actually meet with the other person, having as data only what that person said online is equal to the russian rulette thing if you want to invest on it. If you want just *** then I say sure, the chance of them being a criminal is lower
Maintaining the relationship just online is just a "game", I think we agree on that.

Well, I restricted myself to relationships because that's the thread's subject. Sounds fair no?
As for the argument itself I am sorry but I don't understand what you want to say, not the concept of love and different cultures. But I will not answer to that since I didn't say anything about it, Chiharu did. I noticed that you accept it at some point only to say it's wrong after a bit though.

And that face to face thingy and all the other things I said were ignored, I noticed. No counter there I guess then.

So I am not making any mistake at all since you didn't counter any of my arguments lol! Give it one more try though, this time targeted to me and only to that part :

But even so, even so. I will give you even a psyche, unconnected to the mind for the sake of the debate. When you communicate through the internet you mostly write, no? So you have some emotions and all coming from you independent "psyche" let's say. How are you expressing them though? Through writing. Meaning they are filtered. So it's a brain thing again.
When you communicate face to face though, look into the other person's eyes, seeing them laugh, feel them, see their expressions, then maybe there is a chance that it's not just a brain thing.
I think you get my point.

I am honestly curious, that's why I am asking you to give it one more try.

 

[Disquiet]

Well yeah because it was more interesting

Then it would be 1 out of 1000, don't change the numbers. 1 out of 10 is a big big chance!!

I don't know what Chiharu thinks so I will answer for myself and according to the points I made.

Possible and practically possible is a very big difference. Say I am tell you "Hey Yami we will play russian rulette with a 45-bullet gun and 44 bullets in it. Do you think it's possible that you win?" It is! Even winning the lottery is! But practically you would be dead and I would take the money
Same with online relationships. The fact that you might have "online chemistry" doesn't mean anything at all about the actual relationship you are gonna have face to face. You see, from the comfort of your couch, with a snack and a drink maybe, taking some time in between the posts you can say whatever you want and interact perfectly with anyone. And if something goes wrong? Well big deal! The impact is just too little. What's gonna happen when you meet face to face though?
Also the sacrifices one has to make to actually meet with the other person, having as data only what that person said online is equal to the russian rulette thing if you want to invest on it. If you want just *** then I say sure, the chance of them being a criminal is lower
Maintaining the relationship just online is just a "game", I think we agree on that.

Again, just a made up statistic. There's no argument here. It's possible, no? I don't agree that it's just a game, but for argument's sake, even if I did, that doesn't mean everyone else who practices it believes so.

Well, I restricted myself to relationships because that's the thread's subject. Sounds fair no?

The thread's question has already been answered.

As for the argument itself I am sorry but I don't understand what you want to say, not the concept of love and different cultures. But I will not answer to that since I didn't say anything about it, Chiharu did. I noticed that you accept it at some point only to say it's wrong after a bit though.

Does every society have planned marriages? Does every society even practice relationships the same as we do (I'm the U.S., I'm not sure where you live)? And that's just exercised on such a high stage that the world can see it, I'm sure people even practice it differently on personal levels. We can't fully grasp the concept of love. We can use our own reasoning though.

And that face to face thingy and all the other things I said were ignored, I noticed. No counter there I guess then.

Well yeah, I've already told lots of people that physical contact is important. However, this argument is rooting from 'is it possible?' argument. Again, it's already been proven so. Nothing to discuss.

So I am not making any mistake at all since you didn't counter any of my arguments lol! Give it one more try though, this time targeted to me and only to that part :

But even so, even so. I will give you even a psyche, unconnected to the mind for the sake of the debate. When you communicate through the internet you mostly write, no? So you have some emotions and all coming from you independent "psyche" let's say. How are you expressing them though? Through writing. Meaning they are filtered. So it's a brain thing again.
When you communicate face to face though, look into the other person's eyes, seeing them laugh, feel them, see their expressions, then maybe there is a chance that it's not just a brain thing.
I think you get my point.

I am honestly curious, that's why I am asking you to give it one more try.

A post of mine from another thread.

No one's claiming it's not important. What? You think people enter these relationships without plans to meet/see other? Ever in life? Spend the entire relationship like this?...No.

Yes, physical attractions are important. And I'm guessing when you say physical attractions, you mean things like touching, kissing and so on. Your statement crashes because you are fairy-tailing a dream where no one seeks physical attractions.

The concept that you find idiotic does not even exist.

If I understand your point, you are insinuating there's something more to gain from a close experience? I don't disagree.

However, this goes back to the subject of your thread. No? It's already been proven it's possible.