Why i believe 4th kazekage>Kisame

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genii96

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Okay this is a thread on why i believe gaara's dad is stronger than kisame. I am using my phone so forgive me if you think the thread isnt too detailed. Lets begin.

Firstof all,a brief outlining of the fourth's abilities:
the fourth kazekage posseses magnet release with which he is able to control gold dust,which he made to counter the shukaku,and can be used in large proportions.
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,easily nullifying a sand tsunami that looked ike this
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Also he taught gaara ninjutsu as well as his sand techs which would give him abilities such as gold clones,gold suspension,gold sphere,gold drizzle,the third eye
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also his comment on gaara's sand arms
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,means he also trained gaara in that field as well. Aslo his jiton works for anyother magnetic material too,even his shurikens,kunais,or any other metal in the area.

Countering kisame's jutsu
-Gold is 20x heavier than water,which immediately gives the kazekage a huge advantage over kisame. Also the kazekage needs no prep time to fire a gold tsunami,and such can counter a water wave kisame spits from his mouth instantly
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,and when gold and water clash,gold wins.thus the gold wave will push back kisame's water wave,and kisame will be hit with both attacks.

-kisame's sword,wont help him here,since the gold has no chakra in it,as it is simply being magnetised,so no matter the amount of gold thrown,kisame cant absorb it at all,so he will have to literary dodge them,which would be difficult,seeing as the gold dust speed equals gaara's gourd sand speed
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and the fact that the attack can come from any angle will make it very difficult.
,especially if he is bombarded by an attack from above as well.

- as a defencive measure,his gold dust will easily block off any water attacks from kisame,not just because of the weight difference,but also the elemental advantage. "Water is strong against fire because it naturally extinguishes the flames (though a sufficiently powerful fire technique can cause evaporation) but is weak against earth because earth structures can dissipate the force of water rendering the technique ineffective"
gold is much more sturdier than normal earth and denser than most metals. So not only is gold denser than water,but is also very strong against it,thus allowing him to use his gold dust wall tech to counter kisame's attacks
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-as an added measure he could take flight with his gold and remain in a gold sphere and use his third eye to direct his attacks.thus easily avoiding kisame while causing heavy blows on him.

- even if kisame fires a water dome and fuses with his sword,it will do him no good,the kazekage would just be in the air and would simply flood the dome with gold dust from ever direction,thus choking kisame in there while simutaneously dissipating the shield due to the weight diufference. It will only be a matter of time before that sword will be stripped from kisame,and the 4th can then use the sword with a gold arm to arrack kisame,since the spikes would do nothing to the gold arm.

- GSB wont do kisame much good either,since gold dust has no chara in it,and is both heavier and naturally strong against water,so a gold dust wall would block it.

All in all,as stated above,gold is both heavier,and very strong aginst water. In order for kisame to have any kind of successful attack,he has to first get rid of the weight difference which is immense,thus he has to attack the 4th with water 20x the size of whatever gold dust he is using,but that wont be enough either,as gold is also strong against water,which means even if he acomplished the feat of equalizing the weight ratio,he would still be faced with the task of overcoming a much stronger natural weakness. However,when the kazekage attacks,he will also have to make water shield 20x the size of the gold dust attack,but it will not be enough since gold dust is naturally strong against water,so anyway you look at it,kisame is screwed:). What do you think?
 
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A few points are off here:

The Gold dust does have chakra, it's a ninjutsu. Naturally it does. So it can be absorbed.

If the Water Dome is activated and the 4th is in the air, Kisame could swiftly chase after him in the Water Dome and without a doubt catch him in it. Once he is caught; it's over for him.

Just some things I caught that aren't entirely correct. I'll probably look over your thread again in eight hours when I am off of work, I just woke up so I probably didn't catch everything.
 

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I like and support thiz thread. Different characters for oncd and a few interesting points.
 

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This is definitely true, the reason people may be skeptical about this is because the kazekage was not represented well by masashi in the manga which makes kisame look stronger.
 

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A few points are off here:

The Gold dust does have chakra, it's a ninjutsu. Naturally it does. So it can be absorbed.

If the Water Dome is activated and the 4th is in the air, Kisame could swiftly chase after him in the Water Dome and without a doubt catch him in it. Once he is caught; it's over for him.

Just some things I caught that aren't entirely correct. I'll probably look over your thread again in eight hours when I am off of work, I just woke up so I probably didn't catch everything.

gold dust dosent have chakra,it's a natural occuring mineral. Gold dust isnt the ninjutsu,magnet release is,the gold dust is just a tool,just like a shuriken that can be magnetized has no chakra.

Also,if the kazekage is in the air,how would kisame and his water dome even reach him?,he would simply increase his altitude,and if he is caught,he can still manipulate his gold dust and have it flood the waterdome,choking kisame.

I like and support thiz thread. Different characters for oncd and a few interesting points.

tanx:)

I definitely agree.

thanks:)

This is definitely true, the reason people may be skeptical about this is because the kazekage was not represented well by masashi in the manga which makes kisame look stronger.

thanks. Yea,i know,but those people now have manga facts/proof infront of them,so they cant really deny it.
 
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So anyone who disagrees?
 

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I agree. Don't even listen to the people who are denying this. You provided the arguments and they have yet to counter. This is just like my Darui vs Zabuza thread, many people agreed Zabuza would win but there are people who just don't accept it bc of how the characters are presented. For example, how the 4th Kazekage wasn't shown as well in the manga like Kisame was.
 

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I agree. Don't even listen to the people who are denying this. You provided the arguments and they have yet to counter. This is just like my Darui vs Zabuza thread, many people agreed Zabuza would win but there are people who just don't accept it bc of how the characters are presented. For example, how the 4th Kazekage wasn't shown as well in the manga like Kisame was.

yea,thanks man
 

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Gold-Sand is a Ninjutsu. Therefore it does have chakra and in turn, can be absorbed with Samehada. However, regardless of whether Yondaime can defeat Kisame or not, I will place Yondaime below Kisame as just because you're able to defeat an opponent doesn't mean you're more powerful or stronger. For example, Itachi defeated Kabuto but the Sennin far exceeds the Uchiha in overall strength. In addition, Sasori may be able to defeat Itachi but I would place Itachi above Sasori as Itachi is an overall more proficient shinobi. This is my opinion, however I will congratulate you for this analysis and even more considering that you're using your mobile to produce this thread.
 

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i disagree.

gold dust is infused with chakra otherwise how is the kazekage able to control? he is using his chakra.

since all of the 4th kazekage techs mainly being a sand jutsu which is infused with chakra, it would be a disadvantage considering kisame can absorb chakra either with the sword or with suiton super shark.
 

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Gold-Sand is a Ninjutsu. Therefore it does have chakra and in turn, can be absorbed with Samehada. However, regardless of whether Yondaime can defeat Kisame or not, I will place Yondaime below Kisame as just because you're able to defeat an opponent doesn't mean you're more powerful or stronger. For example, Itachi defeated Kabuto but the Sennin far exceeds the Uchiha in overall strength. In addition, Sasori may be able to defeat Itachi but I would place Itachi above Sasori as Itachi is an overall more proficient shinobi. This is my opinion, however I will congratulate you for this analysis and even more considering that you're using your mobile to produce this thread.

tanx for the congrats .the gold isnt infused with chakra,he controls it via magnetism,he is the magnet,the gold is the object,when he turns his magnetism on,the gold is attsraced,and he can also use the repelling force of a magnet to send the gold away.also the gold wasnt created it was there already,there is no way he infuse his chakra int gold that was several km underground without even touching it.

i disagree.

gold dust is infused with chakra otherwise how is the kazekage able to control?
since all of the 4th kazekage techs mainly being a sand jutsu which is infused with chakra, it would be a disadvantage considering kisame can absorb chakra either with the sword or with suiton super shark.

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The gold has chakra in it but cannot be absorbed/ or could be as genii said it worked(makes sense also), it is just like kirin, the material is natural, you just control it with a bit of chakra which makes impossible to absorb. That was what Madara was trying to tell the kages "only physical jutsus work on me" meaning that any jutsu that invoves the use of natural objects or materials (gaara's sand, kirin, gold, etc) cannot be absorbed by the rinnegan which has even greater absorption than kisame and samehada.
 

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@OP

didnt really have to know thats wrong in your bs
 

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The gold has chakra in it but cannot be absorbed/ or could be as genii said it worked(makes sense also), it is just like kirin, the material is natural, you just control it with a bit of chakra which makes impossible to absorb. That was what Madara was trying to tell the kages "only physical jutsus work on me" meaning that any jutsu that invoves the use of natural objects or materials (gaara's sand, kirin, gold, etc) cannot be absorbed by the rinnegan which has even greater absorption than kisame and samehada.

Is that why Preta Path rendered Gaara's sand control useless? [ ]-[ ]

@ OP - When I get some time i'll make a counter. Tomorrow maybe.
 

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Is that why Preta Path rendered Gaara's sand control useless? [ ]-[ ]

@ OP - When I get some time i'll make a counter. Tomorrow maybe.

agreed with this
 
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Is that why Preta Path rendered Gaara's sand control useless? [ ]-[ ]

@ OP - When I get some time i'll make a counter. Tomorrow maybe.

that sand had chakra in it,which is probably why it was fast enough to get madara before he could react. Madara cudnt absorb gaara's tech whn he caught him through mei's water dragon jutsu,nor could he absorb the sand when he was being sealed,rather he opted to bust out.
 
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