Which Kage has it worse?

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Tobirama who has:

Basically spent 90% of the recent chapters just commenting Minato and 10% holding the barrier and making useless clones to fight Madara

Just gotten fodderized by Juubito blitz

Hiruzen who has:

Effectively done nothing but hold a barrier
 

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Honestly Tobirama...

I mean Hiruzen has the excuse with the fact that he's literaly around 60 years old....so his skills naturally deteriorated.


Tobirama has been completely trolled. At his best he was able to defeat MS Izuna....and what now?

Dies by distracting 20 plus badass shinobi from Kumogakura (Kinkaku Force)....a feat that does make sense given the entirety of the circumstance but still...

Is not allowed to escape his own technique...isn't even allowed to use the hand seals.

Has done nothing but Hype Minato

Has now been used to Hype Obito

Kishi has decided NOT to let him even use his Grand Suiton moves
 

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Your point ?

Did you think tobirama was going to somehow defeat the juubi by himself or kill madara a person who cannot die ?

Nice logic
 

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Silently waiting for Tobirama to show feats, so I'll say him. At least we have read 3 chapters showing some of Hiruzen's prowess. Getting taken down in one shot by the incomplete Juubi's jinchuuriki is no accurate measure of his power, because the same was done to Hashirama.
 

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Rofl rofl, and people thought he's a badass? lmao :p
 

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Honestly Tobirama...

I mean Hiruzen has the excuse with the fact that he's literaly around 60 years old....so his skills naturally deteriorated.


Tobirama has been completely trolled. At his best he was able to defeat MS Izuna....and what now?

Dies by distracting 20 plus badass shinobi from Kumogakura (Kinkaku Force)....a feat that does make sense given the entirety of the circumstance but still...

Is not allowed to escape his own technique...isn't even allowed to use the hand seals.

Has done nothing but Hype Minato

Has now been used to Hype Obito

Kishi has decided NOT to let him even use his Grand Suiton moves

We have no idea how long tobirama was fighting during that war before that last encounter and it was 20 of the strongest kumo had to offer at that time.

Stop talking as if you can gauge the power level of shinobi we have never even seen.

if kishi said they were 20 of the most elite kumo had to offer then they were indeed 20 of the most elite ninja kumo had to offer

Did you even know kumo has the strongest militar which means on a average their shinobi are stronger ?


And what would suiton in this situation do other then potentially drown the shinobi alliance ?
 

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Your point ?

Did you think tobirama was going to somehow defeat the juubi by himself or kill madara a person who cannot die ?

Nice logic

You're missing the point. I'm not talking about Tobirama's abilities to beat the Juubi or Madara

Hashirama despite the fact he is holding the barrier, was able to guide the alliance and was beating the Juubi clones, and send clones after Madara

Minato deflected a TBB and was able to use a clone to get close to Obito

From the start of him entering the war, what have Tobirama and Hiruzen done that even matches the following feats of the other two?
 

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From the start of him entering the war, what have Tobirama and Hiruzen done that even matches the following feats of the other two?

They have no feats, so they're incomparable.
 

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Silently waiting for Tobirama to show feats, so I'll say him. At least we have read 3 chapters showing some of Hiruzen's prowess. Getting taken down in one shot by the incomplete Juubi's jinchuuriki is no accurate measure of his power, because the same was done to Hashirama.

At least Hashi had a wood clone to avoid it. I believe that was the real Tobirama though.
 

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We have no idea how long tobirama was fighting during that war before that last encounter and it was 20 of the strongest kumo had to offer at that time.

Stop talking as if you can gauge the power level of shinobi we have never even seen.

if kishi said they were 20 of the most elite kumo had to offer then they were indeed 20 of the most elite ninja kumo had to offer

Did you even know kumo has the strongest militar which means on a average their shinobi are stronger ?


And what would suiton in this situation do other then potentially drown the shinobi alliance ?

.....drown the alliance??? rofl XD Good one XD
 

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They have no feats, so they're incomparable.

he is just weak..talking about how he would Fodderize some uchiha's? is Fodder himself compare to them,,

he can talk Big but is a pu$$y IMO
 

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o-o In the starting.. it was Tobirama shone over Minato.. now its Minato's turn.. Soon it will be Hiruzen's.

Hashirama apparently is more relevent then the other Hokage (due to Madara being there).
 

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We have no idea how long tobirama was fighting during that war before that last encounter and it was 20 of the strongest kumo had to offer at that time.

Stop talking as if you can gauge the power level of shinobi we have never even seen.

if kishi said they were 20 of the most elite kumo had to offer then they were indeed 20 of the most elite ninja kumo had to offer

Did you even know kumo has the strongest militar which means on a average their shinobi are stronger ?


And what would suiton in this situation do other then potentially drown the shinobi alliance ?

I'm not sure why you're getting so hostile.

I mentioned that Tobirama ended up having a somewhat anti-climactic death compared to the other Hokage that we know of, and this is why I mentioned that it actually made sense considering the circumstances in its entirety.

1. It was the Kinkaku bounty hunter force. Kinkaku and Ginkaku were absolute monsters in battle....honestly they probably would have wrecked Darui's division had the plot not called for Darui's top said phrase to MAGICALLY change just before he was drawn in. In addition, Kakuzu mentions that he has seen Kinkaku transform which could possibly indicate his presence, or the fact that someone of Kakuzu's level was around the Gold and Silver Brothers.

Considering the attitude we saw from Kinkaku and Ginkaku...they weren't going to just chill out with 18 fodder shinobi...so obviously they would only tolerate people who were going to be strong enough to be worthy of being around them. So at the LEAST we can assume it was 18 people at Darui's level and were likely higher.

2. Tobirama had to fight them after an unknown amount of time doing other things...just as you mentioned.

3. He wasn't fighting so much as distracting. Tobirama had to not only put enough effort in to keep from dying, but also to gain the attention of the Kinkaku force....and that means coralling all 20 shinobi and preventing them from branching off against his squad.


so yes...obviously his death there makes complete sense....but it isn't as "flashy" as dying fighting a tailed beast, the main antagonist at that time, and saving your son.....nor was it as flashy as dying to protect the village from two edo Hokage and Orochimaru.

Can I for sure know the complete strength of an average Kumo or even an elite Kumo shinobi...no; however, based on information we do know I can make educated assumptions.

And Obviously at this point his Suiton would be focused and directed not at the alliance, but at Obito or Madara....its not like he's retarded enough to go kill his own teammates for the sake of using a jutsu, but regardless the fact remains he is supposidly the best Suiton user, and yet he has not used a single Suiton move :/.
 

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I mean.. Idc really. Their presence is good for me.

Them coming back to life was one of the best moments to me, and I doubt Kishi would bring them back and NOT showcase why they were called the Hokage.
 

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At least Hashi had a wood clone to avoid it. I believe that was the real Tobirama though.

It wouldn't have made any difference if it were the real Hashirama or not, would it? As long as nobody tries to seal them, they don't have too much to worry about.
 

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Tobirama the guy who can't be bound unless your powered by Hashi's dna..... or the guy who can crack a wall by patting it? ;x
 
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