Stop Overrating Madara Against Juubito

[Lightbringer]

so your saying katsuyu>>juubi?? they both can give chakra and heal but juubi is obviously on a different level, if obito's heart can be healed why cant everything else be revived.

you still don't understand this simple logic bro, you trying to said nagato can master any tech/jutsu instantly and that's very wrong

do you think nagato master all 6 paths on the same day he awoke his rinnegan?
do you think he master chibaku tensei instantly?
do you think nagato master all 5 nature elements instantly in one day???

this doesn't even sound logically man

nagato slow learn these jutsu/techs and eventually MASTER them because of rinnegan, not instantly

I never said katsuya>juubi, I'm saying the juubi healing every aspect of the body is absurd

tsunade had one of the most advanced healing jutsu and she got cut in half and couldn't heal herself.

Yes juubi is on another level, but being cut in half might only make him survive but not heal his body back to normal


you didn't answer my question.

If Nagato didn't learn them instantly, then how could jiraiya tell the difference between mastering those jutsu on his own and mastering them due to the rinnegan?

it's simple logic

 

[FleeOnSight]

Lol first off obitos betrayal was always apart of Madaras plan which is why he has a effective trump card that probably won't fail as he's been planning thia for over a decade. Plus you forget that he's a damn Edo. He can't be killed what's the worse thing that can happen to him. If anyone is at a disadvantage it's obitos because he's alive. He's fighting the undead, 5 ridiculously strong undead zombies with two master sealers two power houses and a speed demon. Nothing has changed to me. The hokages still have the advantage IMO. Also the fact that Madara continues to have that damn smirk on his face shows that he isn't too much worried about the situation and that now he needs to move forward with his back up plan nothing more nothing less

 

[~Sovereign~]

I never said katsuya>juubi, I'm saying the juubi healing every aspect of the body is absurd

tsunade had one of the most advanced healing jutsu and she got cut in half and couldn't heal herself.

Yes juubi is on another level, but being cut in half might only make him survive but not heal his body back to normal


you didn't answer my question.

If Nagato didn't learn them instantly, then how could jiraiya tell the difference between mastering those jutsu on his own and mastering them due to the rinnegan?

it's simple logic

how is it absurd?? juubi can heal a heart why not a side?? the juubi can easily replace obito's side just like it did his heart/chest, it'll obviously be harder but its not absurd if you ask me

tsunade couldn't regenerate because she was out of chakra, katsuyu confirmed this already

jiraiya was training them for a long time and lived with them, its not like jiraiya trained them for one day and made this statement

also here is undeniable proof: how come jiraiya NEVER seen nagato 6 paths until he fought nagato and died EVEN THOUGH NAGATO BEEN HAD THE RINNEGAN????????????????????????? if nagato masters jutsu instantly, like you claim, he should've been using the 6 paths as a kid and jiraiya would've seen it already

 

[AlphaScythian]

Well logically obito should've raped kakashi, and every1 was agree with that until the chapter came out obito didnt use any of his power besides katon and the rod and hey kakashi is the winner.

So yeah stupid. Forget logic. Plot is only importance here, and we all know it gonna be happy ending.

 

[Lightbringer]

how is it absurd?? juubi can heal a heart why not a side?? the juubi can easily replace obito's side just like it did his heart/chest, it'll obviously be harder but its not absurd if you ask me

tsunade couldn't regenerate because she was out of chakra, katsuyu confirmed this already

jiraiya was training them for a long time and lived with them, its not like jiraiya trained them for one day and made this statement

also here is undeniable proof: how come jiraiya NEVER seen nagato 6 paths until he fought nagato and died EVEN THOUGH NAGATO BEEN HAD THE RINNEGAN????????????????????????? if nagato masters jutsu instantly, like you claim, he should've been using the 6 paths as a kid and jiraiya would've seen it already

the rinnegan, just like the sharingan has to awaken its power

mastery power and awakening power are two different things

Nagato didn't awaken that power until after jiraiya's departure, just like how Sasuke didn't instantly awaken susanoo.


and if jiraiya has been training with them for a long time then how did he know it was the rinnegan that let him master the jutsu he taught Nagato and not just Nagato mastering it through hard training?

you still have'nt really answered that

 

[~Sovereign~]

Lol first off obitos betrayal was always apart of Madaras plan which is why he has a effective trump card that probably won't fail as he's been planning thia for over a decade. Plus you forget that he's a damn Edo. He can't be killed what's the worse thing that can happen to him. If anyone is at a disadvantage it's obitos because he's alive. He's fighting the undead, 5 ridiculously strong undead zombies with two master sealers two power houses and a speed demon. Nothing has changed to me. The hokages still have the advantage IMO. Also the fact that Madara continues to have that damn smirk on his face shows that he isn't too much worried about the situation and that now he needs to move forward with his back up plan nothing more nothing less

how do you know?? madara could've simply had a plan b and even if madara was prepared, that doesn't mean madara's plan will be successful, there is no such thing as a perfect plan so that alone proves that madara can fail at any time.

did you just see what juubito did to hashirama and tobirama no diff?? juubito is inside obito's body so it should still be able to use kamui and trap the edos inside the dimension

and the juubi has rinnegan human path>>edo just saying

you think edo tensai is unbeatable??

 

[~Sovereign~]

the rinnegan, just like the sharingan has to awaken its power

mastery power and awakening power are two different things

Nagato didn't awaken that power until after jiraiya's departure, just like how Sasuke didn't instantly awaken susanoo.


and if jiraiya has been training with them for a long time then how did he know it was the rinnegan that let him master the jutsu he taught Nagato and not just Nagato mastering it through hard training?

you still have'nt really answered that

omg, you know what forget it, your contradicting yourself now, this is now a pointless debate and im stating common sense

 

[RikudouMadara]

Lightbringer is correct on all levels imho his argument is concrete and deals in facts. He wins imho. >_O

 

[~Sovereign~]

Lightbringer is correct on all levels imho his argument is concrete and deals in facts. He wins imho. >_O

where are the facts? there are no facts

 

[Lightbringer]

omg, you know what forget it, your contradicting yourself now, this is now a pointless debate and im stating common sense

how am I contradicting myself?

you're the one who hasn't answered my question


if jiraiya was training Nagato for say five years and then makes that comment about the rinnegan letting him master jutsu.....

then how did he know that it was the rinnegan that let him master jutsu and not Nagato just training really hard?

The answer is simple.....he would only know unless Nagato mastered those jutsu within a short period of time

the other answer is that he just guessed which I doubt would be the right one.

 

[FleeOnSight]

how do you know?? madara could've simply had a plan b and even if madara was prepared, that doesn't mean madara's plan will be successful, there is no such thing as a perfect plan so that alone proves that madara can fail at any time.

did you just see what juubito did to hashirama and tobirama no diff?? juubito is inside obito's body so it should still be able to use kamui and trap the edos inside the dimension

and the juubi has rinnegan human path>>edo just saying

you think edo tensai is unbeatable??

Like you just told me. How do you know juubito can use kamui wood release rinnegan? That's right you don't. So far the idiot doesn't even know his name and he's just rushing his enemies with pure power.

I'll keep my mouth shut until next chapter but ill say one more thing. Re read the last two chapters and just look at Madara. Does it really look like he's worried. Seriously the hokages look FAR more disturbed than Madara. You forget that Madara read the entire sage tablet. You don't understand how much knowledge he hold when dealing with the juubi and sage. Him sitting on his ass smiling and not even mad that Obito broke free from his control and use rinne tensei on himself shows that he has the upmost confidence in his back up plan. I think your jumping to conclusions. It's Madara for crying out loud. The guy that was able to survive well over 100 years without being discovered. His plan will be legit it's so obvious.

 

[FleeOnSight]

how am I contradicting myself?

you're the one who hasn't answered my question


if jiraiya was training Nagato for say five years and then makes that comment about the rinnegan letting him master jutsu.....

then how did he know that it was the rinnegan that let him master jutsu and not Nagato just training really hard?

The answer is simple.....he would only know unless Nagato mastered those jutsu within a short period of time

the other answer is that he just guessed which I doubt would be the right one.

Nagato learning jutsu from rinnegan shouldn't be discussed. It's stated in the manga that no shinobi has all five elements unless they wield the rinnegan which Nagato had rinnegan and all 5 elements. That there gives it all to the rinnegan and not hard work lol. He doesn't have a answer for that because the manga already answered it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Agreed. Any Madara fanboy who thinks that Madara can defeat the man with all of the Juubi's power at his disposal needs to slap themselves in the face, extra hard.

Fanboys mention his trump card, when it could possibly have NOTHING to do with strength at all.

Obito (Juubi's Jin)>Edo Madara, and the gap is large. Very large.

 

[shelke]

Considering that Madara's will still has a lot of influence on Obito, I wouldn't give this to Obito just yet.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Agreed. Any disgusting Madara fanboy who thinks that Madara can defeat the man with all of the Juubi's power at his disposal needs to slap themselves in the face, extra hard.

Fanboys mention his trump card, when it could possibly have NOTHING to do with strength at all.

Obito (Juubi's Jin)>Edo Madara, and the gap is large. Very large.

If the gap is so large then that means the manga should have ended with the last chapter. Since according to you no one can stand before juubito. Bad logic. The villain will never completely be in another league from every character. Kishi has never done that in this entire manga. Kishi likes to cripple those types of characters aka itachi and Nagato. Someone will be strong enough to at least challenge juubito. That's how kishi writes his manga.

 

[Kanaxai]

Is this thread about madara being weaker than obito?

 

[~Sovereign~]

how am I contradicting myself?

you're the one who hasn't answered my question


if jiraiya was training Nagato for say five years and then makes that comment about the rinnegan letting him master jutsu.....

then how did he know that it was the rinnegan that let him master jutsu and not Nagato just training really hard?

The answer is simple.....he would only know unless Nagato mastered those jutsu within a short period of time

the other answer is that he just guessed which I doubt would be the right one.

you said the rinnegan has to awoken but it has been awoken since nagato's parents died, that alone proves you wrong

then you said rinnegan can master anything instantly but obviously it cant because if it could jman would know about the 6 paths because nagato was clearly using the rinnegan BEFORE jman left them, that 100% proves that rinnegan has to be MASTERED

once again there is a difference between learning and mastering a tech/jutsu/form/style/mode, I have even given you examples

jman clearly said that the rinnegan allowed nagato to master jutsu BUT nowhere in the manga doesn't it say nagato master these jutsu instantly, nowhere. That's where your incorrect, I never said rinnegan doesn't master jutsu I said it itself has to be MASTERED though

You also try to said that rinnegan doesn't have to be mastered and that made absolutely no sense because everything needs to be mastered like I said, the fact that jman never seen nagato's 6 path is complete undeniable proof that rinnegan has to be MASTERED but at that time nagato had only LEARNED the basics of the rinnegan which is to help master jutsu which is obviously EVENTUALLY not INSTANTLY

 

[KidGamer65]

If the gap is so large then that means the manga should have ended with the last chapter. Since according to you no one can stand before juubito. Bad logic. The villain will never completely be in another league from every character. Kishi has never done that in this entire manga. Kishi likes to cripple those types of characters aka itachi and Nagato.
Someone will be strong enough to at least challenge juubito. That's how kishi writes his manga.

What kind of logic is this? The fact that the manga isn't over doesn't change the fact that anyone with the Juubi's power at their disposal will be TIERS above anyone else.

Someone will become strong enough to challenge him, cause if you think anyone on the side of the alliance comes close to the level of Obito's current power, when it took all 4 Hokage to trap and bind the Incomplete Juubi? The same bindings and barrier that blocked the Juubidama was ripped apart by Obito's chakra arms.

The same binding that kept the Juubi down was ripped apart by Obito. The fact you think Obito w/ all of Juubi's power isn't in a completely different league than anyone else on the battlefield, really makes me wonder whether I should take you seriously or not.

@bold: As if the Juubi alone wasn't already in another league than any individual character.

 

[Lightbringer]

you said the rinnegan has to awoken but it has been awoken since nagato's parents died, that alone proves you wrong

then you said rinnegan can master anything instantly but obviously it cant because if it could jman would know about the 6 paths because nagato was clearly using the rinnegan BEFORE jman left them, that 100% proves that rinnegan has to be MASTERED

once again there is a difference between learning and mastering a tech/jutsu/form/style/mode, I have even given you examples

jman clearly said that the rinnegan allowed nagato to master jutsu BUT nowhere in the manga doesn't it say nagato master these jutsu instantly, nowhere. That's where your incorrect, I never said rinnegan doesn't master jutsu I said it itself has to be MASTERED though

You also try to said that rinnegan doesn't have to be mastered and that made absolutely no sense because everything needs to be mastered like I said, the fact that jman never seen nagato's 6 path is complete undeniable proof that rinnegan has to be MASTERED but at that time nagato had only LEARNED the basics of the rinnegan which is to help master jutsu which is obviously EVENTUALLY not INSTANTLY

okay firstly, I meant not all abilities awaken initially; I said that clearly

I even gave the example of how Sasuke awakening his MS didn't mean he obtained all the abilities in one day....so stop twisting my words


and you're still not getting the question

you said yourself that anyone can master jutsu if they train hard enough

so what significance does the rinnegan have in mastering jutsu?

How does jiraiya tell the difference between mastering something through the rinnegan and mastering without it?


honestly are you not getting this?

 

[shelke]

Is this thread about madara being weaker than obito?

Nah, it's about a certain barbie man's pink panties.