Stop Overrating Madara Against Juubito

[Zantos]

Guys it's pointless to discuss ! we all know that these kind of stories are not always perfect , and there can be some paradoxes , so nobody can exactly tell what is true !! and more importantly Madara's trump card is unknown yet , so first we should wait to see what could it be and then decide !

 

[Lightbringer]

And guess who broke out of the control? Obito. Ergo you're arguement is useless.

He planned it, but didn't do it. Obito tricked Madara because he simple knew Madara would do something like that. The Jutsu Rikudou used is Chibaku Tensei, and Madara cannot do that on level with Rikudou.

Funny that Obito has used the Rinnegan more than Madara, hehe. He doesn't have a shit on Obito, with Juubi or not.

Just to add it, Kamui.

did you even read my comment?

If Madara splits zetsu from Obito's body how's he going to survive?

Also Chibaku Tensei was not what defeated the juubi; firstly that wouldn't make sense because then how did he become its host?

the SO6P used Chibaku Tensei to seal its body in the moon after it was defeated and on his deathbed

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[Smd]

madara gave obito his power.

is what i was getting at.


untill i see more from jubbito i dare say madara could go toe to toe

he has 3 things hashirama doesnt


rinngenn mastery.
Trump car.
EMS ability


Plus im sure if madara started spamming it would be even better

 

[BazzBee]

What should i say ? Madara is my favorite character but i'd rather wait and see what happens >_>

 

[Henrik]

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This is Hachibi/5 tails

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This is Juubi's size

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And this is Juubi's TBB

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Look how small the Juubi is compared to that TBB. And a Jinchuuriki is stronger than the tailed beast.

Obito takes him down without getting touched.

did you even read my comment?

If Madara splits zetsu from Obito's body how's he going to survive?

Also Chibaku Tensei was not what defeated the juubi; firstly that wouldn't make sense because then how did he become its host?

the SO6P used Chibaku Tensei to seal its body in the moon after it was defeated and on his deathbed

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So give the the manga scan where Madara can split the zetsu. He was only abe to control it, not split it. And also it doesn't look like there is any zetsu anymore.

He became the Juubi Jinchuuriki, splitted the chakra and sealed the rest to the moon; Gedo mazo.

Anyway why discuss this? Only a fanboy would deny a manga fact. I can give you one manga scan to why Obito dominates Madara.

 

[~Sovereign~]

did you even read my comment?

If Madara splits zetsu from Obito's body how's he going to survive?

Also Chibaku Tensei was not what defeated the juubi; firstly that wouldn't make sense because then how did he become its host?

the SO6P used Chibaku Tensei to seal its body in the moon after it was defeated and on his deathbed

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I just told you how obito will survive, juubi can heal just like kyuubi

 

[Lightbringer]

you obviously don't understand the meaning, just because rinnegan can help you master any jutsu, that doesn't mean your gonna learn any jutsu within minutes or something, you still have to train to master the jutsu that you learn from the rinnegan

example: naruto use rasenshuriken on kakuzu, does that mena naruto MASTERED rasenshuriken???? NO, learned it AND THEN MASTERED IT LATER

that makes absolutely no sense

If the rinnegan says it lets one master jutsu they learn, it also lets one master the 5 chakra elements.....yes it's instant

Kakashi only learned 3 chakra elements his whole life, nagato as a child already had mastery of 5. Jiraiya said that it was the rinnegan that let him master all those jutsu that he taught him and the elements.

Here's another piece of evidence. Madara gained the rinnegan when he was old and on the border of death.

Yet when he was revived he casted Tengai Shinsei and a whole load of advanced mokuton techs instantly

it was impossible for him to do that while so old.

I just told you how obito will survive, juubi can heal just like kyuubi

the juubi healing half of someones body seems a little too far-fetched, besides that comment was directed to someone else

 

[Henrik]

I just told you how obito will survive, juubi can heal just like kyuubi

Good point - he almost lost his arm, hole in his chest and half of his body was 'gone' but it all got healed.

So IF he gets splitted it will simple create a new body.

 

[~Sovereign~]

madara gave obito his power.

is what i was getting at.


untill i see more from jubbito i dare say madara could go toe to toe

he has 3 things hashirama doesnt


rinngenn mastery.
Trump car.
EMS ability


Plus im sure if madara started spamming it would be even better

juubito has a rinnegan too
hashirama beat EMS + kyuubi WHILE ALIVE, you think juubito cant????
the only thing madara has going for him is the trump card, that's why madara is using it right off the bat "before its too late"

and I think the trumo card will fail too, regardless of what it is, kishimoto has been building juubito up for 2 1/2 chapters and I doubt madara will stop anything

What should i say ? Madara is my favorite character but i'd rather wait and see what happens >_>

we will see and im 95% sure madara will fail, kishimoto has been building up juubito for 2 1/2 chapters and I highly doubt madara will stop anything at this point

 

[Henrik]

Yo, sovereign, just drop it.

I'm not gonna discuss with a fanboy that cannot accept the manga.

 

[Lightbringer]

Good point - he almost lost his arm, hole in his chest and half of his body was 'gone' but it all got healed.

So IF he gets splitted it will simple create a new body.

his arm was healed from zetsu, only the hole was healed by the juubi

you really believe that if Obito was cut in half vertically that he would survive and be healed by the juubi, reconstructing organs, bone, and muscle? I highly doubt it


also, Obito isn't in control of himself right now, so he's just a raging monster atm with no tactical approach to battle

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[Draphsin]

I agree with this, madara's level is nowhere near obito's. Madara may have everything going for him & he may be confident but overconfidence has been the downfall of many ninja previously.

 

[~Sovereign~]

that makes absolutely no sense

If the rinnegan says it lets one master jutsu they learn, it also lets one master the 5 chakra elements.....yes it's instant

Kakashi only learned 3 chakra elements his whole life, nagato as a child already had mastery of 5. Jiraiya said that it was the rinnegan that let him master all those jutsu that he taught him and the elements.

Here's another piece of evidence. Madara gained the rinnegan when he was old and on the border of death.

Yet when he was revived he casted Tengai Shinsei and a whole load of advanced mokuton techs instantly

it was impossible for him to do that while so old.




the juubi healing half of someones body seems a little too far-fetched, besides that comment was directed to someone else

jiraiya said nagato mastered jutsu that he taught him, nowhere in the manga did it say anything about mastering jutsu instantly, don't make stuff up bro, like I said EVERY jutsu/mode/form/style/tech has to be learned THEN mastered/perfected.

There are countless examples: sasuke learning amaterasu, naruto learning rasenshuriken, naruto learning KM mode, kakashi learning kamui, the list goes on and on bro, there is no such thing as MASTERING a jutsu right off the bat, you think learning and mastering is the same thing

its not too far-fetched, healing is healing, tsunade was just in half for a long time and she was healed by Karin and suigetsu, im sure juubi can beat that

 

[AlphaScythian]

Madara is boss and obito is boss in his own way.
I like more obito but i do not doubt madara's power.

If not for the plot any of them could rule the world, they are top 2 imho

 

[~Sovereign~]

Madara is boss and obito is boss in his own way.
I like more obito but i do not doubt madara's power.

If not for the plot any of them could rule the world, they are top 2 imho

they may be top 2 but obito is clearly number 1 with juubi bro and if madara fights he'll lose this

 

[Lightbringer]

jiraiya said nagato mastered jutsu that he taught him, nowhere in the manga did it say anything about mastering jutsu instantly, don't make stuff up bro, like I said EVERY jutsu/mode/form/style/tech has to be learned THEN mastered/perfected.

There are countless examples: sasuke learning amaterasu, naruto learning rasenshuriken, naruto learning KM mode, kakashi learning kamui, the list goes on and on bro, there is no such thing as MASTERING a jutsu right off the bat, you think learning and mastering is the same thing

its not too far-fetched, healing is healing, tsunade was just in half for a long time and she was healed by Karin and suigetsu, im sure juubi can beat that

if it weren't for summoning Katsuyu, Tsunade would have died

if mastering the techs weren't instant, then why did jiraiya even mention it if anyone can master jutsu from learning it?

He said the rinnegan enabled him to master techs; so how would he know the difference between Nagato mastering them on his own or from the help of the rinnegan unless he mastered them instantly?

 

[enditallsin]

If madara were to go and fight juubito he will be owned..simple as that...until we see this "so called" "trump card" of his, than madara's nothing more than another fool marching to defeat...

 

[AlphaScythian]

they may be top 2 but obito is clearly number 1 with juubi bro and if madara fights he'll lose this

There is no such thing in this manga. Forget logic, kishi doesnt use it and any shit can happen. Later retards will be screaming this or that fodder.
Both have such power that its hard to measure and calculate reliable win scenario for any of them and sealing techniques are equally hack shit along with izanagi izanami.

 

[~Sovereign~]

if it weren't for summoning Katsuyu, Tsunade would have died

if mastering the techs weren't instant, then why did jiraiya even mention it if anyone can master jutsu from learning it?

He said the rinnegan enabled him to master techs; so how would he know the difference between Nagato mastering them on his own or from the help of the rinnegan unless he mastered them instantly?

so your saying katsuyu>>juubi?? they both can give chakra and heal but juubi is obviously on a different level, if obito's heart can be healed why cant everything else be revived.

you still don't understand this simple logic bro, you trying to said nagato can master any tech/jutsu instantly and that's very wrong

do you think nagato master all 6 paths on the same day he awoke his rinnegan?
do you think he master chibaku tensei instantly?
do you think nagato master all 5 nature elements instantly in one day???

this doesn't even sound logically man

nagato slow learn these jutsu/techs and eventually MASTER them because of rinnegan, not instantly

 

[~Sovereign~]

There is no such thing in this manga. Forget logic, kishi doesnt use it and any shit can happen. Later retards will be screaming this or that fodder.
Both have such power that its hard to measure and calculate reliable win scenario for any of them and sealing techniques are equally hack shit along with izanagi izanami.

"forget logic" LMAO this statement ALONE is stupid im sorry

with this logic I can say hashirama still has chance even though he admitted he's weaker but because anything can happen, logic doesn't matter

bro madara cant win, logically or not, your basically saying madara can compete with the 10 tails regardless of logic