[Theory] [Spoiler] There's no denying it now

[PIOLO]

I can agree to much of what you are saying. You are definitely not wrong, however, the SO6P did bring peace. He did stop the Juubi, which was the entire problem at the time. However, when he died, his too sons started a conflict, which lead to a very long awful chain of hatred.
As I see it, this chain of hatred can only be stopped by the person, who inherited the SO6P's will, namely Naruto.

It's true that Obito looks like the sage, and he has the same abilities, i.e. rinnengan+Juubi, however, this in my opinion, does not make him this generations SO6P, because as I see it, it's not about abilities, it is about intentions. Which is why I can agree, that he is the exact opposite as you somewhat said.

To me there are 2 possibilities:
1. Only the Sage's 2 sons can bring peace by ending the long chain of hatred. Namely Naruto and Sasuke will stop the long feud, that is now between Konoha and Uchiha. Let's not discuss how this is done, though. However, there is still hatred between villages to concern about.

2. The SO6P's will is inherited by Naruto - as suggested by the 9 beasts - this may still lead to possibility number 1 though, but it may also lead to other options. Naruto may simply the savior of the world. This war has already ended a long deal of hatred. Naruto has already proven himself to every shinobi and samurai on the battlefield, and thus he could truly be chosen as the next leader of the shinobi alliance, from which his will (the SO6P's will) shall become of major importance, because it will be the main factor in deciding, what to do with the tailed beasts, which eventually may lead to peace. Clearly Hashirama's resolve was wrong, so Naruto will do something else.

ALL THESE TEACHING WAS PREACHED CAME FROM MADARA TEACHINGS TO OBITO.


MY POINT IS SINCE THE START IT EVOLVE ALL OF BRILLIANT MIND DONE BY MADARA............EVEN SO6P IS JUST A MERE FRACTION OF MADARA'S INTELLIGENCE.. MADARA SINCE CHILD IS A PRODIGY AND BECOME NOT SOLO KING BUT INFINITE KING OF NARUTOVERSE BEYOND... HE IS NOT GENUINE AND JUST A THIEVES AS A S*** GOT FROM ALL MADARA'S PLANS....JUST SAY CONDOLENCE TO SO6P FOR HIS IRRESPONSIBLE ACT ALREADY DONE IN JUUBI..........IF HE KNOW THE JUUBI IS A THREAT FROM THE START HE MUST HAVE TO BECOME A ULTIMATE KISHIMOTO NO JUTSU AS BEING IMMORTAL TO PROTECT NARUTOVERSE FOREVER IF HE IS JUST STATED AS TO BE STRONG UNLIKE MADARA THAT HE IS LEGITIMATE A LICENSED, AND HE DOESNT OWE TO ANOTHER ONE W/C IS DONE BY OBITO JUST TO "REPAY" HIMSELF AND ACT ACCORDINGLY TO HIS PLAN OR ELSE HE USED A TRUMP CARD A FAIL SAFE PLAN DONE BY JUUBITO...........



SO6P LEGACY NO ONE KNOWS IT..................EXCEPT MADARA THROUGH HIS OWN-SELF KNOWLEDGE/INTELLIGENCE NO OTHER LEGITIMATE PERSON THINKS SAME AS HIM, JUST APPRECIATE THE CONTRIBUTION OF MADARA IN NARUTOVERSE

 

[PIOLO]

Tbh, Obito's actions just protected the world. If Madara was revived and became the Juubi's jinchuriki, it would be game over. This was also implied by all the hokages.

Nonetheless, Obito could still have chosen death, so Madara wouldn't become the jinchuriki anyway, but why do Obito want to be its jinchuriki? He wants to create an eternal dream world. This is not something he could do with his current skill level. Possibly he wants to use the Juubi's powers. For now we have no idea, what a person in control of those powers could do, or even create. It's possible he will get the yin+yang to create anything, and in that manner, he can do the eternal genjutsu some way.

But Obito is not this generations SO6P. I don't get your symbolism. It is not about, who has rinnengan, who has the correct blood line, or who created/disabled the Juubi. It's about uniting the entire shinobi world, to restore order from a chaotic time. That is what the SO6P did, and Obito is in no manner trying to do that. In his own mind, yes, that is what he thinks he is doing, but fact is, that he will just be delaying chaos for an unknown amount of time. That wont restore anything.

Even the SO6P died, and thus chaos came back. But the SO6P said himself, that his successor will do it "the right way", so to speak. He will gather the bijuu's and do the "right thing". So this is the one we should be looking for, and there is no other person than Naruto, who is capable of creating a system, that will remain after his death.

I'd SLIGHTLY agree with this, if it weren't for the fact that Madara actually showed up himself, essentially taking over for Obito as the main leading figure of the war to continually push his plan. If Madara had remained a shadowy figure all throughout, I'd agree that Obito is the main antagonist, but the fact remains that he actually showed up himself and his character is even fully explored to solidify his presence. Not to mention, Madara's influence is ultimately what led Obito to do the things he did. Despite being more prominently shown in the series, Obito is treated almost as a second-in-command to Madara. This is very evident in the way they interact each other. Sure Obito is doing this based on his own reasons, but it ultimately makes him an enforcer of Madara's plans and not necessarily based on his own separate one. Heck he even pretended to be "Madara" on behalf of Madara, so Madara's presence and influence is definitely felt throughout the series even before his actual in-person appearance. While I agree that Madara can technically be considered as the main antagonist of the series, I think that Obito's role as a major antagonist should still be noted (just like with Orochimaru and Nagato)

 

[Honord Sage]

Manga 638 proves Obito is not in charge, the Juubi is and its using Obito form to get at Naruto. Obito is a prisoner of the Juubi.

 

[thegame]

ALL THESE TEACHING WAS PREACHED CAME FROM MADARA TEACHINGS TO OBITO.


MY POINT IS SINCE THE START IT EVOLVE ALL OF BRILLIANT MIND DONE BY MADARA............EVEN SO6P IS JUST A MERE FRACTION OF MADARA'S INTELLIGENCE.. MADARA SINCE CHILD IS A PRODIGY AND BECOME NOT SOLO KING BUT INFINITE KING OF NARUTOVERSE BEYOND... HE IS NOT GENUINE AND JUST A THIEVES AS A S*** GOT FROM ALL MADARA'S PLANS....JUST SAY CONDOLENCE TO SO6P FOR HIS IRRESPONSIBLE ACT ALREADY DONE IN JUUBI..........IF HE KNOW THE JUUBI IS A THREAT FROM THE START HE MUST HAVE TO BECOME A ULTIMATE KISHIMOTO NO JUTSU AS BEING IMMORTAL TO PROTECT NARUTOVERSE FOREVER IF HE IS JUST STATED AS TO BE STRONG UNLIKE MADARA THAT HE IS LEGITIMATE A LICENSED, AND HE DOESNT OWE TO ANOTHER ONE W/C IS DONE BY OBITO JUST TO "REPAY" HIMSELF AND ACT ACCORDINGLY TO HIS PLAN OR ELSE HE USED A TRUMP CARD A FAIL SAFE PLAN DONE BY JUUBITO...........



SO6P LEGACY NO ONE KNOWS IT..................EXCEPT MADARA THROUGH HIS OWN-SELF KNOWLEDGE/INTELLIGENCE NO OTHER LEGITIMATE PERSON THINKS SAME AS HIM, JUST APPRECIATE THE CONTRIBUTION OF MADARA IN NARUTOVERSE

I am not very sure, how to reply to this. I don't see how it is relevant to the post you responded to, however, stating that Madara is more intelligent than the SO6P seem rather ignorant. Not only did they live in different times, meaning certain knowledge would be limited in either of the times, but since you don't know anything about the intelligence the SO6P had, it's idiotic to state anything about it.

I'd SLIGHTLY agree with this, if it weren't for the fact that Madara actually showed up himself, essentially taking over for Obito as the main leading figure of the war to continually push his plan. If Madara had remained a shadowy figure all throughout, I'd agree that Obito is the main antagonist, but the fact remains that he actually showed up himself and his character is even fully explored to solidify his presence. Not to mention, Madara's influence is ultimately what led Obito to do the things he did. Despite being more prominently shown in the series, Obito is treated almost as a second-in-command to Madara. This is very evident in the way they interact each other. Sure Obito is doing this based on his own reasons, but it ultimately makes him an enforcer of Madara's plans and not necessarily based on his own separate one. Heck he even pretended to be "Madara" on behalf of Madara, so Madara's presence and influence is definitely felt throughout the series even before his actual in-person appearance. While I agree that Madara can technically be considered as the main antagonist of the series, I think that Obito's role as a major antagonist should still be noted (just like with Orochimaru and Nagato)

Again this irrelevant, as this discussion has nothing to do with who is the "main protagonist". Madara was Obito's teacher. Most likely for several years. It's only normal, that he would follow Madara's lead. It's partly Madara's plan that is in motion, although some objects in the plan failed (Nagato). Obito has his knowledge from Madara, but Madara also has his knowledge from someone. So that doesn't decide who is the main protagonist. Currently, Madara is dead, his soul has been summoned to a body, and though he has seized control over it, he is not capable of becoming the Juubi-jinchuriki (for some reason..), which means he cannot complete his plan. So right now, the main protagonist is Obito. If Madara can control Obito in his current state, then that's it, but we cannot really know that yet.

 

[GhostProject]

Manga 638 proves Obito is not in charge, the Juubi is and its using Obito form to get at Naruto. Obito is a prisoner of the Juubi.

It's definitely the most likely, however I think it's too early to call it for sure. Obito recognized his name, so he's still in there, and I think we will continue to see those consciousness slips.

Until his Rinnegan starts growing Tomoe, or a Juubi Eye busts out of his forehead and he starts talking like Aizen, then I think we will continue to see Obito slipping in and out of the Juubi persona. Perhaps this will be the way he shows redemption at the end to acknowledge Naruto's will?

 

[PTran5]

Again, an excellent theory. I read Trinity first, so I already agree with what you have stated in this thread. Still I read this theory, and I can definitely see that Obito is the Anti-Sage of this era in terms of feats, not power, and Naruto is the Younger Son since he believes "love was the key to peace" - he wants the Bijuus to live in peace with humans, unlike Sasuke who wants to burn them all.

 

[GhostProject]

Again, an excellent theory. I read Trinity first, so I already agree with what you have stated in this thread. Still I read this theory, and I can definitely see that Obito is the Anti-Sage of this era in terms of feats, not power, and Naruto is the Younger Son since he believes "love was the key to peace" - he wants the Bijuus to live in peace with humans, unlike Sasuke who wants to burn them all.

Thank you! =D And that's it, you exactly hit the points I was making! Rikudou told the tailed beasts that he was not the one who would show them true power, but his successor. Naruto, the Younger Son, has and will lead them down the correct path, and be that successor to show that love is true power :scorps:

 

[B00m]

Nice read throughout the thread!

 

[GhostProject]

Nice read throughout the thread!

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it all! =D

 

[Honord Sage]

Why are people trolling, Obito is gone His mind is lost in the Juubi, He is not in control, the Juubi body took the form of Obito and it's instinctively being drawn to Naruto.

 

[UzUmAkiiClaN]

Good job Sir Derp.

 

[GhostProject]

Good job Sir Derp.

Thank you! =D
...But I am not Sir Derp

Why are people trolling, Obito is gone His mind is lost in the Juubi, He is not in control, the Juubi body took the form of Obito and it's instinctively being drawn to Naruto.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here, but Obito is not gone. We are going to continue seeing parts of him slip through in conversation like with his name.

Also, Naruto was the Juubi's target, but lets not also forget that denying Naruto's Will was Obito's goal pre-moon phase, before his fight with Kakashi. Naruto is the fitting natural target for both the Juubi and a No-Identity, no restraint Obito.

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[Bansho Tenin]

I agree with this. good job +1 rep

 

[GhostProject]

I agree with this. good job +1 rep

Thank you and glad you could find it agreeable!

 

[Gid1124]

I think its more like the Naruto/Nagato thing again. When Nagato was the "failed" child of prophecy and Naruto is the real one. Obito will be the "failed" new sage of 6 paths and Naruto will be the real one.

 

[GhostProject]

I think its more like the Naruto/Nagato thing again. When Nagato was the "failed" child of prophecy and Naruto is the real one. Obito will be the "failed" new sage of 6 paths and Naruto will be the real one.

A fair assumption. However, Naruto is going to be the chosen one that will show the Bijuu and the world true power with love and surpass Rikudou like he prophesied. Also, he will play a direct role in bringing himself and Sasuke's bond/rivalry to a resolution.

Rikudou created the dream of true peace and brought his sons together, and indirectly drove them against each other at his death. The original Younger Son failed to create peace between him and his brother and failed to guide the world into true peace to become the one to surpass Rikudou.

At the end of it all, Obito will fail to create peace, but in the process, he brought Naruto and Sasuke to leaders of the Ninja World in the War. Naruto will be the one to accomplish what Rikudou could not, and most likely bring peace through resolution of him and Sasuke's disagreement about the new ninja world.

At the end, it just makes the most sense that Obito is the Sage who failed and brought the sons together, Naruto is the successful Younger Son who believes in love that surpasses the Sage to bring true peace, and Sasuke is the Elder Son who believes in power and disagrees with the Younger. I find Naruto has more parallels with the Younger Son, than with the Sage (based on his relationship to Sasuke and the few panels of characterization we have for Rikudou from Obito and Kurama's stories)

 

[Gid1124]

A fair assumption. However, Naruto is going to be the chosen one that will show the Bijuu and the world true power with love and surpass Rikudou like he prophesied. Also, he will play a direct role in bringing himself and Sasuke's bond/rivalry to a resolution.

Rikudou created the dream of true peace and brought his sons together, and indirectly drove them against each other at his death. The original Younger Son failed to create peace between him and his brother and failed to guide the world into true peace to become the one to surpass Rikudou.

At the end of it all, Obito will fail to create peace, but in the process, he brought Naruto and Sasuke to leaders of the Ninja World in the War. Naruto will be the one to accomplish what Rikudou could not, and most likely bring peace through resolution of him and Sasuke's disagreement about the new ninja world.

At the end, it just makes the most sense that Obito is the Sage who failed and brought the sons together, Naruto is the successful Younger Son who believes in love that surpasses the Sage to bring true peace, and Sasuke is the Elder Son who believes in power and disagrees with the Younger. I find Naruto has more parallels with the Younger Son, than with the Sage (based on his relationship to Sasuke and the few panels of characterization we have for Rikudou from Obito and Kurama's stories)

That all seems reasonable. Im excited to see what will happen. But this is a well thought out theory no matter what way it goes. So good job.

 

[GhostProject]

That all seems reasonable. Im excited to see what will happen. But this is a well thought out theory no matter what way it goes. So good job.

Thank you. And I too respect your idea, there are multiple ways to interpret the many interactions at this point. I guarantee each week Kishi will give us something that gives us a clearer picture of his vision. Whatever it is, it's sure to be amazing considering how much one can interpret from his story and plot. =D

 

[CrowNoJutsu]

This is an extremely well written thread, in my opinion and I really enjoyed reading it.

There's just one thing I don't understand. If Obito used Izanagi to become the Juubi's jinchuuriki, why isn't his Sharingan eye closed? I remember when Danzo used Izanagi the Sharingan eyes started to close and lose its light. Why isn't this the case with Obito?

 

[Armathyx]

Good Theory and all but Obito is not the next SO6P....

It's Naruto since Naruto carries The SO6P's and Bijuu's Will.... Plus Kurama is going to be upgraded by the powers Naruto received from other Bijuus.... That's how Naruto is The next SO6P.... =D =D

Nope, sorry, this thread disproves you and the rest of the Narutards who keep spamming that Naruto will reach Obito's level.