Kakuza>Minato

[SubtleMind]

T Bogard

Is he a big Minato fanboy?

 

[blackstar9]

Which in Naruto usually translates to a disadvantage.

tsunade , sasuke , ay are all considered hot headed . Nobody assumes they are dumb. but people do with ay for some reason .

 

[blackstar9]

Is he a big Minato fanboy?

he is maybe biggest minato fanboy on the base !

 

[Voidstep]

Is he a big Minato fanboy?

he is, but he's not the irracional type of fanboy haha

 

[SubtleMind]

tsunade , sasuke , ay are all considered hot headed . Nobody assumes they are dumb. but people do with ay for some reason .

Let me clarify. He's not dumb, but he is reckless. Which is why he likely would have lost to Sasuke in their battle. As for the others you mentioned I think most would say they are smarter than A. Just saying

 

[SubtleMind]

he is maybe biggest minato fanboy on the base !

But does he use logic at least? other I won't bother debating him.

 

[SubtleMind]

he is, but he's not the irracional type of fanboy haha

in that case, I'll welcome his input.

 

[Bogard]

- Kakuzu is a mid-long range fighter. His attacks are never going to land on Minato. His tentacles are even made for capture. Capturing Minato is impossible

- Minato is faster than him. Whether Kakuzu decides to fight with his masks inside him or not, all Minato has to do is to mark the original body and strike him down

- Kakuzu's gian could be redirected by Minato's S/T barrier to make Kakuzu's doton domu ineffective. Judging by the piercing power of said "Gian"(and the hype given by the databook), it should even pierce through kakuzu completely and thus killing him. Although with other hearts, he should revive himself(if they are inside him, that's it), but he would lose the doton mask

- It also seems that people think the doton domu is Kakuzu's natural skin. No, it's a earth jutsu that Kakuzu needs to activate(it necessite one handseal). Minato's FTG teleportation speed is too fast that Kakuzu won't even have time to activate doton domu in time, so Minato could casually kill him even if he had the doton mask still active because of the impossibility to react in time.

- This is just a bonus, but i'd like to point out that when Kakuzu uses the doton domu, his body is uncapable to move until he deactivate the body, he basically becomes like a statue. He has only shown to be capable to move when he uses the partial version of it(on his arms for example)

 

[SubtleMind]

- Kakuzu is a mid-long range fighter. His attacks are never going to land on Minato. His tentacles are even made for capture. Capturing Minato is impossible

- Minato is faster than him. Whether Kakuzu decides to fight with his masks inside him or not, all Minato has to do is to mark the original body and strike him down

- Kakuzu's gian could be redirected by Minato's S/T barrier to make Kakuzu's doton domu ineffective. Judging by the piercing power of said "Gian"(and the hype given by the databook), it should even pierce through kakuzu completely and thus killing him. Although with other hearts, he should revive himself(if they are inside him, that's it), but he would lose the doton mask

- It also seems that people think the doton domu is Kakuzu's natural skin. No, it's a earth jutsu that Kakuzu needs to activate(it necessite one handseal). Minato's FTG teleportation speed is too fast that Kakuzu won't even have time to activate doton domu in time, so Minato could casually kill him even if he had the doton mask still active because of the impossibility to react in time.

- This is just a bonus, but i'd like to point out that when Kakuzu uses the doton domu, his body is uncapable to move until he deactivate the body, he basically becomes like a statue. He has only shown to be capable to move when he uses the partial version of it(on his arms for example)

As I understand his EGF, it's his actually ability. Remember kakashi killed that heart but it was replaced with the water one. So as long as he has hearts he can continue to use this ability. and I know Minato is fast, bearing has kunai to teleport to. But in the scenario I have, I think it will be difficult to be effective with them. Kakuzu is fast and smart too, soo He can compete in those areas.

 

[Bogard]

As I understand his EGF, it's his actually ability. Remember kakashi killed that heart but it was replaced with the water one. So as long as he has hearts he can continue to use this ability. and I know Minato is fast, bearing has kunai to teleport to. But in the scenario I have, I think it will be difficult to be effective with them. Kakuzu is fast and smart too, soo He can compete in those areas.

Uhm no, when Kakashi destroyed Kakuzu's heart with his first raikiri, he lost the ability of doton domu. He never used it again from there if i remember. He can't decide which ninjutsu to use. Each mask has a respective ninjutsu. In fact, each mask has a certain chakra pattern. After it's destroyed, Kakuzu loses the ability.

You also seem not to understand. No matter how fast Kakuzu is, he isn't competing with teleportation speed. Like i've stated, all Minato has to do during a eventual battle against Kakuzu is to find a way to mark the original body. The marking never disappears like it was proven in latest chapter, so from there Minato could every second instantly teleport on Kakuzu(the real body) and finish him. Since doton domu needs one handseal to be performed, he isn't activating it in time in this condition

 

[SubtleMind]

Uhm no, when Kakashi destroyed Kakuzu's heart with his first raikiri, he lost the ability of doton domu. He never used it again from there if i remember. He can't decide which ninjutsu to use. Each mask has a respective ninjutsu. In fact, each mask has a certain chakra pattern. After it's destroyed, Kakuzu loses the ability.

You also seem not to understand. No matter how fast Kakuzu is, he isn't competing with teleportation speed. Like i've stated, all Minato has to do during a eventual battle against Kakuzu is to find a way to mark the original body. The marking never disappears like it was proven in latest chapter, so from there Minato could every second instantly teleport on Kakuzu(the real body) and finish him. Since doton domu needs one handseal to be performed, he isn't activating it in time in this condition

He nearly killed choji with his hand. Besides, regardless has to how it works, you assume minato can just teleport at will. He needs to place his Kunai knives strategically. Which he can do, but Kakuzu can prevent this with his array of jutsus. I not trying to underestimate Minato here. I know he's good. I just think Kakuzu is a bad matchup for him.

 

[Bogard]

He nearly killed choji with his hand. Besides, regardless has to how it works, you assume minato can just teleport at will. He needs to place his Kunai knives strategically. Which he can do, but Kakuzu can prevent this with his array of jutsus. I not trying to underestimate Minato here. I know he's good. I just think Kakuzu is a bad matchup for him.

Again, if he places a marking on Kakuzu(he can place markings with his hands, i'm not talking about kunais here), it's all over. Minato teleported twice on the same marking he put on Obito during an interval of 16years. The marking never disappear, so as long as the marking is on Kakuzu, he isn't escaping a teleportation blitz
@bold it never happened in the manga. You're talking about anime here

 

[SubtleMind]

Again, if he places a marking on Kakuzu(he can place markings with his hands, i'm not talking about kunais here), it's all over. Minato teleported twice on the same marking he put on Obito during an interval of 16years. The marking never disappear, so as long as the marking is on Kakuzu, he isn't escaping a teleportation blitz
@bold it never happened in the manga. You're talking about anime here

Yes I get that. But how does he so casually mark him when he needs to get close to him. That's a task all in it's own. You are underestimating Kakuzu here. Remember it Kakashi, team 10, naruto and yamato to be him. with know prior knowledge Minato will definitely have his hands full.

 

[Murasame]

Damn dat Bogard shutting down a thread like its no big deal

 

[SubtleMind]

I will say this though that's the best counter I've heard all day (and I've been here for a while). You really are a Minato expert as someone put it. I'll reconsider my position a little. But I still think he matches up well with him.

 

[Murasame]

Yes I get that. But how does he so casually mark him when he needs to get close to him. That's a task all in it's own. You are underestimating Kakuzu here. Remember it Kakashi, team 10, naruto and yamato to be him. with know prior knowledge Minato will definitely have his hands full.

If you payed attention closely earlier he already covered that point.. If he uses Doton Domu he is a sitting duck and would be an easy target to mark. If he doesn't he is vulnerable to attacks..

 

[SubtleMind]

If you payed attention closely earlier he already covered that point.. If he uses Doton Domu he is a sitting duck and would be an easy target to mark. If he doesn't he is vulnerable to attacks..

Yeah and you're forgetting he still has his flying mask attacking him, while the body analyzes his moves. It's almost similar to pain's paths minus the shared vision.

 

[slaton02]

Agreed, Minato has nothing that can put Kakuzu down.

 

[Smd]

only if kakauz knows about mintao ftg and marking.

 

[SubtleMind]

Agreed, Minato has nothing that can put Kakuzu down.

Tell that to T bogard, but he actually countered this quite well. But I still think Kakuzu wins.